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Cloud is a good fighter. You shouldnt be too disappointed...he is just fighting very good opposition. Glen Johnson was still very good at the time they fought and Cloud is not a capable boxer. He is a B level fighter who is entertaining. I wouldnt call it an upset either. This could be a similar case of Swift vs Matthysse. The Dawson KO was more of a result of Dawson's stupidity and arrogance NOT deterioration. Not to discredit Stevenson...I like him...but this is a dangerous ass fight for him.
Stevenson is a B fighter who KOed a fighter with A level abilities and D level mental focus and career guidance. That KO fools gold I think. If Hopkins, Pascal, and especially Johnson could crack like Stevenson, they wouldve KOed Dawson.
Cloud is B fighter...Stevenson may be better but Cloud his a hungry dude and you gotta bring it to deal with him. This aint Boone. Stevenson deserves a fair amount of credit if he can get a clear victory here. Nevertheless, the good thing is...these guys will stay busy because the winner has to face Bellew in Nov I think.
Cloud is B fighter...Stevenson may be better but Cloud his a hungry dude and you gotta bring it to deal with him. This aint Boone. Stevenson deserves a fair amount of credit if he can get a clear victory here. Nevertheless, the good thing is...these guys will stay busy because the winner has to face Bellew in Nov I think.
Skill wise, I'd say Cloud is better than Stevenson, and I feel they have the same level of power and speed it's just that they have different mentalities. Stevenson lets his hands go and really believes in his power whereas Cloud is more Rocky Juarez with his shots if you feel where I'm coming from. I
I think Cloud's ring inactivity hurts him. He always fights like he's a lil rusty. I don't think him winning would be some big upset, It'd be a mild one since he's coming off a loss to a guy that loss to the guy his opponent just beat. I think Stevenson caught Dawson at the right time. I feel Cloud or Kovalev could have done the same thing if given the chance.
Dawson can take a decent shot and Johnson, Tarver, and Pascal hurt him in their fights. I just think his punch resistance went down due to his previous fight. Sometimes absorbing hard shots when you're body isn't really prepared for it can do it. He dropped the weight, but couldn't fight effectively at it. One of the biggest career mistakes ever, but he only has himself to blame. Chad will be known for ushering out the old guys at 175lbs, just a pity that he couldn't last for the new wave of guys making their name in the division.
I think Cloud's ring inactivity hurts him. He always fights like he's a lil rusty. I don't think him winning would be some big upset, It'd be a mild one since he's coming off a loss to a guy that loss to the guy his opponent just beat. I think Stevenson caught Dawson at the right time. I feel Cloud or Kovalev could have done the same thing if given the chance.
Dawson can take a decent shot and Johnson, Tarver, and Pascal hurt him in their fights. I just think his punch resistance went down due to his previous fight. Sometimes absorbing hard shots when you're body isn't really prepared for it can do it. He dropped the weight, but couldn't fight effectively at it. One of the biggest career mistakes ever, but he only has himself to blame. Chad will be known for ushering out the old guys at 175lbs, just a pity that he couldn't last for the new wave of guys making their name in the division.
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@Jae my 2 cents on cloud-stevenson
we know cloud can be outboxed and we know stevenson can be ko'ed.....as much as i want to think stevenson's wins a UD I don't think he has the boxing ability to not catch too many shots from Cloud and possibly be stopped...so im going with Cloud on a mid to late round stoppage
we know cloud can be outboxed and we know stevenson can be ko'ed.....as much as i want to think stevenson's wins a UD I don't think he has the boxing ability to not catch too many shots from Cloud and possibly be stopped...so im going with Cloud on a mid to late round stoppage
this is how i know i'm not a hardcore boxing fan anymore, just skip over the martinez vs ouma nonsense whereas years ago i'd be reading line by line and chiming in
you gotta get better breh
I know one thing....Cloud and Stevenson both are gonna try and knock each other's heads off. If this fight goes to distance it could be a FOY candidate. Cant see this one without fireworks.
Woah, that's actually a pretty good fight right there. If Rigo wins that impressively, he's prolly a lock for fighter of the year unless Stevenson KO's Cloud this weekend.
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Fighter of the year is Floyd if not him then Swift
Guerrero Canelo
Zab Matthysse
Better then Donaire Agbeko
Mehhhh, I'd give you Garcia, but Floyd was pretty much expected to beat Guerrero and Canelo although Canelo had the better chance due to his size, youth, and above average power. Guerrero was never really anything special. He got vacant titles in a bunch of divisions while hardly fighting anybody of note. The Berto and Aydin wins were pretty decent, but then Soto Karass does the same shyt more impressively a lil later.
Rigo dominated a top 5 p4p dude that was slightly favored to beat him and if he dominates Agbeko then that's another former champ right there.
If Stevenson dominates Cloud than that's a top 5 Light heavyweight and former titlist and he did knock out the undisputed champ in Dawson.
Garcia gets mad props for beating Lucas, but he was expected to beat Zab and Zab at this point isn't really all that better than beating a Cloud or Agbeko.
If Floyd or Swift wins, it's because they are the bigger names. It's not wrong and I wouldn't be upset, but I'd understand.
