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[surv2syn]

He was nothing but a B Class fighter at the end of the day

well I done said here like 10 times that Berto was overhyped. I am saying I never rated him that high personally. I am trying to figure out who the fukk did. If you did, u dont know shyt about boxing. At the same time....had he beaten Guerrero and Ortiz nikkas would be fixing they mouths to say otherwise. nikka was never in my top 25 p4p or nothing. He is a good fighter and he has given us good action fights. I just dont think you can win with fight fans. Either you are the greatest thing since slice bread or u ass.

 

[surv2syn]

And only a FLoyd lover would NOT see Williams as a legitimate threat. This is called a circular argument.

its like how nikkas say..see...I told u Manny wouldnt do shyt against Floyd....JUST BECAUSE JMM
Floyd beatin nikkas without gettin in the ring with em now.
for the record...I dont think No Way Manny fukks with Floyd....but I aint gonna sit here and say he wasnt a threat. thats nonsense.

 

[Skip b]

And only a FLoyd lover would NOT see Williams as a legitimate threat. This is called a circular argument.

He squeaked by Margarito, in a fight where he was getting his ass whipped in the end, then lost to Quitanta.....


Who he beat before he squeaked by Margarito..................Nobody so shut the fukk up

 

[surv2syn]

Breh, Canelo before OR AFTER the fight with Floyd Mayweather would still be the favorite against a fukking Andre Berto. You serious b?

Floyd is the best fighter in the world, him beating Alvarez doesnt mean anything as to "exposing" Alvarez


Berto been overrated since Luis Collazo was putting the beats on him. Alvarez is a more talented fighter....you know that breh.


Stop this riding for Berto. He has no defense, has short arms, an average chin, footwork is suspect. All he has is hand speed and some pop to his punches. Thats it.

yes...because Berto lost to Soto-Karass, and 2 dudes Floyd beat...I get it. I get it. I aint talkin bout some after the fact shyt. Forget about Berto. and yeah. I am riding for a fighter who got his manager to hook him up with a bogus title. I am just against revisionists shyt or stating the obvious as some Nostradamus type shyt.

Canelo losing to Floyd will mean that he got exposed...but fortunately he will be exposed by the worlds best fighter...so it wont ruin his marketability.

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

He squeaked by Margarito, in a fight where he was getting his ass whipped in the end, then lost to Quitanta.....


Who he beat before he squeaked by Margarito..................Nobody so shut the fukk up

Skip, you must be young or a female cuz some of your posts lack logic b, for real smh. I dont care if youre Floyd, Pac, SRR, or YEEZUS--- YOU DO NOT GET CREDIT FOR FIGHTERS YOU CHOSE NOT TO FIGHT. Plain and simple. No one knows who would have won against Floyd and Paul. Its all speculation man. But when you look at the HISTORY of the sport, all the greatest fighters sought out the greatest challenges, win lose or draw. And even a Floyd lover cant say he sought out the greatest challenges because EVERYBODY knows he didnt. Now, ppl can make excuses for why he didnt fight so and so, why he did fight so and so, but at THE END OF THE DAY, NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT IF MAYWEATHER FOUGHT AND BEAT WILLIAMS, MARGARITO, TSYZU, PACQUIAO, MARTINEZ, HIS RESUME WOULD LOOK EVEN BETTER THAN IT DOES AND HIS CRITICS WOULD HAVE LESS THINGS TO SAY ABOUT HIM. Period.

 

[NormanConnors]

tbh i thought trout won that fight

canelo was fighting in spurts too much

same here

 

[Reggie]

Ok, this aint the barbershop..so when u spit it u gotta spit the whole shyt. Berto WAS next because the WW division was devoid of anything. Floyd had retired and relinquished the belt. Haymon and HBO had to have somebody to hype. There was no sense in matching him with another Haymon fighter in the Punisher...why do you think Paul never fought at WW again after that year? The WW division was run by TR. There was only Cotto, Marg, and Pac who had just came there to fight Oscar. The only guy that found a way in was Shane but even he was fighting Mayorga at 154 and had just lost to Cotto! There was no Bradley or no Marquez...but they are TR so that wouldnt matter anyway. Even the guys he lost to...Guerrero and Ortiz had not gotten to WW yet. He was overhyped and there was a very good business reason as to why. But check this out....Berto is soooooooo overhyped right? He is soooooooo overrated right? Yet he lost to 2 guys that Floyd got criticism for facing. Doesnt say much for Floyd. Like Marlo said on The Wire...you want it one way...but its the other way.

I'm one of the first ones to criticize Floyd for his choice of opponents so you can miss me with that one right there. How was he next when he beat no one of substance to make that claim. He may have been pushed as next but he was never pushed like he had the talent to beat the best with some of the bums he was fighting. So again you can call it overhyped or overrated if you want. But point blank he didn't live up to the expectations put upon him by HBO and Haymon.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

So Canelo is undefeated #1 in his division beat the #2 undefeated guy in his division N he's overrated

Pwill right after his biggest W loses to Quin fukking tana N loses all his momentum but he's a threat tho



If Pwill was 5'8 nobody woulda gave a shyt or still be bringing his ass up

 

[surv2syn]

I'm one of the first ones to criticize Floyd for his choice of opponents so you can miss me with that one right there. How was he next when he beat no one of substance to make that claim. He may have been pushed as next but he was never pushed like he had the talent to beat the best with some of the bums he was fighting. So again you can call it overhyped or overrated if you want. But point blank he didn't live up to the expectations put upon him by HBO and Haymon.

he was "next" because there were nothing but TR fighters at WW at the time...so thats why Haymon and HBO put the hype on...you know...kinda dont put all your eggs in one basket type thing? what you fail to realize is....Haymon and HBO prob never thought the nikka was gonna be that good....they just sold it to the public. that is their job you know?

 

[Reggie]

and thats my point...very few are worthy of the praise heaped upon them. I am not going to say I didnt think Berto could or couldnt be great....I didnt know. What I am saying is.....I just dont hype guys too much until I see them do something. I never saw Berto do anything impressive as far as his wins so I had no reason to hype him. If others did, shame on them.

Yeah but with some guys like a young Tyson and a young Floyd you can see that potential greatness in them. With Berto I never felt that he was on his way to an all time great career. I always thought he was average since he was on Friday Night fights and he never impressed me that much. But yet and still he was always pushed like he was the One.

 

[surv2syn]

So Canelo is undefeated #1 in his division beat the #2 undefeated guy in his division N he's overrated

Pwill right after his biggest W loses to Quin fukking tana N loses all his momentum but he's a threat tho



If Pwill was 5'8 nobody woulda gave a shyt or still be bringing his ass up

did he not dominate Winky Wright? a fighter no one had dominated? did he not beat Serge? the difference is....Serge got to Pavlik before PWill if it were the other way around we may be having a different conversation right now. I picked PW to beat Pavlik. By circumstance Serge got to him first. You love to talk about Quintana as if nothing else happened after that point but the fact is, PWill went on to bigger fights and more money. Stop talkin bout one nikka that he lost against then destroyed him months later.

 

[surv2syn]

Yeah but with some guys like a young Tyson and a young Floyd you can see that potential greatness in them. With Berto I never felt that he was on his way to an all time great career. I always thought he was average since he was on Friday Night fights and he never impressed me that much. But yet and still he was always pushed like he was the One.

Reg....I am with you. I never thought he was a future great. Where we disagree sorta is...you say he was pushed like one....I dont disagree with that either..but what you have to realize is there was a reason for it. Promoters and managers dont believe the own shyt that comes out their mouth. Like LM is the new Manny Pacquiao...now thats the type of dumb shyt I am talkin bout...but nikkas will believe it if they hear it.

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

Yeah but with some guys like a young Tyson and a young Floyd you can see that potential greatness in them. With Berto I never felt that he was on his way to an all time great career. I always thought he was average since he was on Friday Night fights and he never impressed me that much. But yet and still he was always pushed like he was the One.

Honestly I never felt that way about young Floyd either. I distinctly remember no one really caring about Pretty Boy Floyd. And the majority of ppl (excluding myself) found his fights boring and didnt like watching him because of his style. He then developed the Money May persona so that people could channel their hate towards that and not his fighting style.

 

[surv2syn]

same here

Canelo aint do shyt...its just that Trout didnt seize the opportunity. Trout didnt put it all out there if you ask me. After that win....a new boogeyman appears. Hey...its good for Floyd that he is fighting the boogeyman though right?

 

[surv2syn]

Honestly I never felt that way about young Floyd either. I distinctly remember no one really caring about Pretty Boy Floyd. And the majority of ppl (excluding myself) found his fights boring and didnt like watching him because of his style. He then developed the Money May persona so that people could channel their hate towards that and not his fighting style.

I felt that way about Floyd...especially at 130. He was too fast. I also felt the same about Shane pre-Forrest. and Shane is an all time great. he just lost some of the fire inside the ring it seemed when he got rich. when he was coming up....he was a hungry beast. I also thought Ward was a special fighter and while Abraham and Kessler were favorites in the Super 6....I felt Ward was going to win it all. I didnt think he would continue to this point without a hiccup....but of course we know...someone here is gonna say he beat up on Euro bums so he really aint shyt either.