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Wow.

Heard it all now. Spence got the same defence as Tsyzu. :gucci:.

Tsyzu had the same dogshyt defence his whole career. And I’ve been seeing his fights since before he was pro (at the fights too.)

Ok ok, I know I wasn't crazy.

Ain't no way Spence and Tsyzu defense on the same level. Spence may as well be Chris Bryd if you comparing him to Timmy who never walked into a punch he didn't like.
 

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Ok ok, I know I wasn't crazy.

Ain't no way Spence and Tsyzu defense on the same level. Spence may as well be Chris Bryd if you comparing him to Timmy who never walked into a punch he didn't like.
This narrative that Spence has bad defence is peculiar? Sure, he got his whole shyt rocked to death by a generational, reflexive, instinctual surgeon, but up until that one fight he has mostly spent an entire career with his chin superglued to his chest, his right hand high and tucked, let alone the left hand.

If anything Spence guard is his third best attribute, his first being his will to win, his second being his punch output and fitness (highest landing welterweight of all time.) He wouldn't have been able to throw all those shots without a sound guard.

And before the anti Spence committee arrive, I picked Crawford to beat him, and was adamant for years leading into the contest that he'd get the better of him. So knock it off.
 

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This narrative that Spence has bad defence is peculiar? Sure, he got his whole shyt rocked to death by a generational, reflexive, instinctual surgeon, but up until that one fight he has mostly spent an entire career with his chin superglued to his chest, his right hand high and tucked, let alone the left hand.

If anything Spence guard is his third best attribute, his first being his will to win, his second being his punch output and fitness (highest landing welterweight of all time.) He wouldn't have been able to throw all those shots without a sound guard.

And before the anti Spence committee arrive, I picked Crawford to beat him, and was adamant for years leading into the contest that he'd get the better of him. So knock it off.
You're nuts bro lol. Spence ALWAYS gets tagged & clean & I've been saying it for like 7+ years now. It really got put on display when he fought Brook & Lamont Peterson. If Peterson had any real pop, Spence would've been put to sleep that fight. Lartey, Brook, Porter, Bundu & Barerra hit him clean & consistently multiple times& that's just the few I remember offhand
 

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This narrative that Spence has bad defence is peculiar? Sure, he got his whole shyt rocked to death by a generational, reflexive, instinctual surgeon, but up until that one fight he has mostly spent an entire career with his chin superglued to his chest, his right hand high and tucked, let alone the left hand.

If anything Spence guard is his third best attribute, his first being his will to win, his second being his punch output and fitness (highest landing welterweight of all time.) He wouldn't have been able to throw all those shots without a sound guard.

And before the anti Spence committee arrive, I picked Crawford to beat him, and was adamant for years leading into the contest that he'd get the better of him. So knock it off.

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Spence would get hit moreso because his offense failed or he ain't move his head in certain spots. Besides the Porter war and Bud dismantling, you're not gonna see Spence get hit flush multiple times throughout a fight. Sure he'll get clocked some on occasion, but nowhere as much as Tsyzu does.

Tim gets lit up trying to get to you. He gets hit on offense and defense and inbetween punches. His style presents more opportunities to catch him than Spence does. Hell, even that one nikka who barely throws punches (I forget his name, but he got a draw against Trout) managed to drop Tim the one time he decided to punch. :mjlol:
 

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Stop cying

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Spence would get hit moreso because his offense failed or he ain't move his head in certain spots. Besides the Porter war and Bud dismantling, you're not gonna see Spence get hit flush multiple times throughout a fight. Sure he'll get clocked some on occasion, but nowhere as much as Tsyzu does.

Tim gets lit up trying to get to you. He gets hit on offense and defense and inbetween punches. His style presents more opportunities to catch him than Spence does. Hell, even that one nikka who barely throws punches (I forget his name, but he got a draw against Trout) managed to drop Tim the one time he decided to punch. :mjlol:
Well said. Spence neck and chin are usually really tight and tucked in, same goes for his right hand, its his left hand that can give him issues defensively, but I'd argue this is more due to him using it a lot, or as you said, sometimes having his head in an exposed position, during or post punch. eg Crawford was able to time him every time he came in, because of his left hand leaving his face and it being exposed.

@Knicksman20 you made a good point about Spence footwork, and it's true, it's predictable, he has never been a bopper style fighter or a slip style southpaw eg Pernell Whitaker. Spence relies on his high guard, sitting low, head shift off the line slightly, and his right foot to step/pivot, but that's the bulk of his movement. I'd argue his method is extremely simple, he backs in his tight guard, his punch output and his ability to outwork the opponent. It's a battle of determination and fitness with Spence, he's pretty simple aside from that. He's there to outwork you.

The issue now, as you said, is his punch resistance, and whether or not he can keep up this 'fitness battle' at the rate required. His fitness dicates everything, even his high guard. Your max v02 diminishes every year after 20, pretty hard to win a fight of fitness when you get less fit biologically as the years go by.
 

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If Peterson had any real pop, Spence would've been put to sleep that fight.
This always puzzled me re Peterson's lack of pop. He trained like a man possessed, shyt even Spence himself said he learnt a lot of game about preparation from Peterson in his come up.

But for whatever reason Peterson couldn't even punch out your grandma, he looked like he could, his punch mechanics seemed decent, shyt he even popped dirty in order to be able to pop?
 

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Spence has been inactive so long that I don’t know what to expect.

One thing I respect about Anthony Joshua and some of these other heavyweights is that they take their L and move on to another fight.

These other nyggas take a loss and their career goes into a very weird space.
it's because they only fight once or twice a year. A loss means nothing to an active fighter. When you're fighting once or twice a year, a loss if the end of the world for you. As for Spence, I'd bet on Fundora stopping him at this point in his career.
 
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