Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[desjardins]

The public perception of this nikka is cooked.

Its bad when even greg hackett has to pause the dikkeating and concede "it's nothing he can say" about the duck
the last 6 months has been a PR nightmare for boots
passed on unification over $300k, poor performance in a fight no one wanted that had half the home town crowd leaving before the fight was over, and now a blatant duck against a guy most people would have said he's better than a couple months ago

 

[patscorpio]

Vergil is the one who constantly fights the better competition, yet Boots is the one who gets all the hype.

I will say vergil has also looked more vulnerable than boots too.. all the reason why it's a gotdamn shame they aren't fighting in Feb. This fight has been marinating for years

 

[patscorpio]

Boots next fight has to have some substance.

His last performance against Karen was lack luster. Boots won that fight but Karen actually was stepping to him and had a better performance than the first fight imo. I would actually watch Karen's next fight. We were expecting Boots to have a better performance but he looked more or less the same. I feel the criticism of Bozy Ennis are fair as well though I'm a fan of sport dads personally. It's unfortunate that the Vergil Ortiz negotiations fell through this is not only a bad look for Boots but Eddie as well.

I do think Karen is a quality fighter...I feel like he can pick up a title at 147 at some point

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

 

[ba'al]

I do think Karen is a quality fighter...I feel like he can pick up a title at 147 at some point

I would be happy to see him pickup a title one day, he took both losts well gave boots his respect but what's cool to me was he actually stepped to boots after he faced some criticism for the first fight, took some risks and had a great performance despite the lost. Them eastern European fighters are pretty damn good. Speaking of titles I know Brain Norman SR was criticizing Boots performance against Karen. If he feels his son could do better that could be a potential fight.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Spence is gonna struggle getting past that reach like Tsyzu did bro. I don't think this is a fight where he can win fighting from the outside. His best shot is to get in mid range or on the inside but the jury's out on his punch punch resistance. We saw what happened to Lubin & he's fresher than Spence

Ehh, I doubt Fundora tries to jab and fight from the outside against Spence. Plus...

Tsyzu defense is way worse than Spence and he don't run into punches on some reckless shyt. Tsyzu's temperament and impatient offense is what cost him that fight. Fundora blind ass can't box for shyt on the outside for long stretches, but he was able to do so because of Tsyzu defense was so trash and his offense so leaky. The cut made that shyt even worse.

Lubin ring IQ is even worst than Spence. Dude had the fight in the bag from the outside and he gave it away trying to do that mid range shyt. These nikkas don't have the workrate or strength to play the mid range game with Fundora consistenly. Fundora gets emboldened when guys are in his range cuz that's the only time he can consistently put hands on you and control you.

 

[TheNig]

I like Madrimov vs Ortiz.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I'm still shocked at the result of this fight. Pacquiao at 40 made Thurman look ordinary. Thurman had no answer for Pacquiao's movement and fast hands

Pac looked okay, the rot was there though, this fight made me a lot of money when I look back at it, it was all I needed to see to put a few stacks on Ugas in Pac's next fight.

Great year after that

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

 

[Knicksman20]

Ehh, I doubt Fundora tries to jab and fight from the outside against Spence. Plus...

Tsyzu defense is way worse than Spence and he don't run into punches on some reckless shyt. Tsyzu's temperament and impatient offense is what cost him that fight. Fundora blind ass can't box for shyt on the outside for long stretches, but he was able to do so because of Tsyzu defense was so trash and his offense so leaky. The cut made that shyt even worse.

Lubin ring IQ is even worst than Spence. Dude had the fight in the bag from the outside and he gave it away trying to do that mid range shyt. These nikkas don't have the workrate or strength to play the mid range game with Fundora consistenly. Fundora gets emboldened when guys are in his range cuz that's the only time he can consistently put hands on you and control you.

I don't know bro lol. I think you're assuming Spence is the same fighter pre Bud when there's a HUGE question mark about his punch resistance & power in a new weight class

I think Spence & Tsyzu's defense are equally terrible on top of neither moving their head but Spence probably takes more clean shots consistently than Tim

You're right about Lubin but that back foot boxing Spence used against Mikey Garcia only worked because he's a circus midget for the division & you know this

Against someone 6'5, a southpaw that has sneaky power & I think that's trouble for Spence. Not to mention Spence's defensive issues are magnified against other southpaws. He's gonna eat straight lefts but especially the uppercut when he tries to close distance & get closer. I don't think Spence at this point can outbox Fundora at 54

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I don't know bro lol. I think you're assuming Spence is the same fighter pre Bud when there's a HUGE question mark about his punch resistance & power in a new weight class

I think Spence & Tsyzu's defense are equally terrible on top of neither moving their head but Spence probably takes more clean shots consistently than Tim

You're right about Lubin but that back foot boxing Spence used against Mikey Garcia only worked because he's a circus midget for the division & you know this

Against someone 6'5, a southpaw that has sneaky power & I think that's trouble for Spence. Not to mention Spence's defensive issues are magnified against other southpaws. He's gonna eat straight lefts but especially the uppercut when he tries to close distance & get closer. I don't think Spence at this point can outbox Fundora at 54

I'm not assuming anything. I'm seeing all of this with well versed boxing eyes.

There's a huge question mark on both of these dudes. I'm only doing the same baseline assumption everyone else is doing which is looking at the stylistic match up along with certain strategic measures used within the fight.
I been said both these nikkas health bars are no longer green. Both are prolly yellow right now.

That same circus midget beat the shyt outta Jesse Vargas tho. Mikey's effort against Spence is what did him in. Once he felt like he couldn't win, dude wasn't going to go for it. A welterweight Orlando Salido would prolly give Spence fits tho.

Now to address the bolded....
We definitely watching too different sets of fighters if you think Tsyzu and Spence defense is the same. At least Spence keeps his fukking hands up. You really have to punch at him to go through his guard and connect flush. Tim drops his hands a lot on offense. Dude catches flush punches all the time.

In 3 rds Tim took more flush shots in his last fight than Spence took against Porter, Swift, and Ugas combined.

Tim would have died if he was in there with Bud taking the same shots Spence took for all them rounds.

 

[Knicksman20]

I'm not assuming anything. I'm seeing all of this with well versed boxing eyes.

There's a huge question mark on both of these dudes. I'm only doing the same baseline assumption everyone else is doing which is looking at the stylistic match up along with certain strategic measures used within the fight.
I been said both these nikkas health bars are no longer green. Both are prolly yellow right now.

That same circus midget beat the shyt outta Jesse Vargas tho. Mikey's effort against Spence is what did him in. Once he felt like he couldn't win, dude wasn't going to go for it. A welterweight Orlando Salido would prolly give Spence fits tho.

Now to address the bolded....
We definitely watching too different sets of fighters if you think Tsyzu and Spence defense is the same. At least Spence keeps his fukking hands up. You really have to punch at him to go through his guard and connect flush. Tim drops his hands a lot on offense. Dude catches flush punches all the time.

In 3 rds Tim took more flush shots in his last fight than Spence took against Porter, Swift, and Ugas combined.

Tim would have died if he was in there with Bud taking the same shots Spence took for all them rounds.

You're killing me bro lol. You might have it on Tim's defense

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

I think Spence & Tsyzu's defense are equally terrible on top of neither moving their head but Spence probably takes more clean shots consistently than Tim

Wow.

Heard it all now. Spence got the same defence as Tsyzu. .

Tsyzu had the same dogshyt defence his whole career. And I’ve been seeing his fights since before he was pro (at the fights too.)

 

[surv2syn]

I want to see Boots progress but unless he makes a mean lateral move, this shyt is not a good look at all

the norman shyt...thats on norrman and team...this shyt with ortiz is squarely on boots and fast eddie

yes...but....this puts Norman in position to knock Boots outta position. if him, Stan, Barrios can make a unification bout then they could freeze Boots out. Boots isnt done but it looks like his next fight at the very least will be against an opponent that wont garner any fan interest

 

[surv2syn]

It's crazy because I thought going with Eddie would change things. It's just more of the same.

Eddie knows better than this. these promoters talk a lot of shyt then be doing the same shyt as the next one. my thing is, the way Ortiz looked last time out....Boots team shouldve taken that. even if he lost he still would be 147 champ. if he only wants to fight 147, ok, cool. but who?