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So you tell me what stopped anbody from fighting??.. How did Dev and Loma fight on ppv fight without Tank? How did Dev fight Kamboso for undisputed without Tank?? Right now 140 is the 140 it is today because of guys from Tank division moving up and getting shyt popping without Tank. The Saudis bout to put up a big bag for Bivol and Beterbiev at 175... and possibly the winner facing Benavidez.. This idea that shyt cant pop without tank or Canelo is all bullshyt.

Devin vs Loma and Kambozo were not financial success (The Kambozo fight was damn near subsidized by the Australian government) . The Saudi fights are not profitable so hoping for them to save Boxing vs seeing them as the lick is not a sustainable thing.
 

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Devin vs Loma and Kambozo were not financial success (The Kambozo fight was damn near subsidized by the Australian government) . The Saudi fights are not profitable so hoping for them to save Boxing vs seeing them as the lick is not a sustainable thing.
So how and why are non-profitable fights being made?? Make it make sense cause you're not making sense.. Just excuses for other fighters not fighting
 

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Outside of 140 and Heavyweight no division is “worth anything” unless you fighting Tank or Canelo lol. Boo Boo could have carved his lane in 160 OR chased smoke at 168 but still the visibility would have been light. Like i said we going into Summer, May will make 6 months from his last fight so if he doesnt announce something in April the nikka clearly isnt serious lol

I'm interested to see the PPV numbers for the Tank vs Frank Martin fight. Tank gets this narrative that he's a really huge draw. That 1.2 mill PPV buys in his last fight was more of the Ryan Garcia effect than because of Tank

I remember Tank's fight before facing Ryan did only 60k buys I believe
 

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Because the Saudi’s are tricks thats why. Once they pivot then what? There is a reason they are tossing everything on PPV
Just like Haymon tosses everything on ppv. Why is there a difference? The bottomline is fights get made with or without Canelo and Tank when the 2 fighters want to fight.. PERIOD.. stop making excuses.. and please stop trying to compare the trash that is the 160 division to the rest of boxing.. Andrade leaving 160 was the best career decision he's ever made
 

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I'm interested to see the PPV numbers for the Tank vs Frank Martin fight. Tank gets this narrative that he's a really huge draw. That 1.2 mill PPV buys in his last fight was more of the Ryan Garcia effect than because of Tank

I remember Tank's fight before facing Ryan did only 60k buys I believe

I thought that until i saw how much this Devin ryan thing is looking to flop. Thats why im like was that last fight more of tank or has Ryans “base” bounced on him

Also if the Tank Card truly has Benevidez and Morrell on it its gonna be hard to really gauge unless that shyt flops too lol but then the debate could he the ppv model
 

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I thought that until i saw how much this Devin ryan thing is looking to flop. Thats why im like was that last fight more of tank or has Ryans “base” bounced on him

Also if the Tank Card truly has Benevidez and Morrell on it its gonna be hard to really gauge unless that shyt flops too lol but then the debate could he the ppv model

That's baseless conjecture. I want to see the numbers of both of Ryan's and Tank's next fights and the PPV buys. Ryan has a huge social media presence and brings in way more casual fans
 

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That's baseless conjecture. I want to see the numbers of both of Ryan's and Tank's next fights and the PPV buys. Ryan has a huge social media presence and brings in way more casual fans
Tank has always made his money from Gates not PPV. Damn near Every Tank fight sells out, can we say the same for Ryan? Being a star is a two fold thing, Canelo sells out (or damn near close), AJ pre Saudi events the same. What did Ryan's last fight in Houston do? I went to multiple tank fights and them shyts are jammed packed. All I`m saying is Im starting to think we are over estimating Ryans "Stardom" OR Tank killed that nikkas career.

IDK how I`m having "baseless conjecture" when you can go on ticket master yourself and see that shyt is not selling. Regis vs Devin when it comes to gate is trending to have done more.
 

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Tank has always made his money from Gates not PPV. Damn near Every Tank fight sells out, can we say the same for Ryan? Being a star is a two fold thing, Canelo sells out (or damn near close), AJ pre Saudi events the same. What did Ryan's last fight in Houston do? I went to multiple tank fights and them shyts are jammed packed. All I`m saying is Im starting to think we are over estimating Ryans "Stardom" OR Tank killed that nikkas career.

IDK how I`m having "baseless conjecture" when you can go on ticket master yourself and see that shyt is not selling. Regis vs Devin when it comes to gate is trending to have done more.
Fighting so close to a canelo date is probably gonna affect the gate as well
 

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Fighting so close to a canelo date is probably gonna affect the gate as well

at the end of the day with the economy, folks simply don't have the bread to put up for fights that aint moving the needle (which is very few lol).

IMO you either do it in Vegas at one of these hotels or a Mid Market that you can sell affordable tickets to and sell out.

If something is going to be PPV you gotta have a stacked card or at minimum a bit time co main.

Right now there are not many stories in boxing that get people excited. TBH Devin vs Ryan should have been in Cali like they did for Regis or Atlanta or Miami where they can tap into the social media folks and entertainers.

Hotels in NYC are more expensive than Vegas, and then the tickets for this fight cost more than Devins last 2 fights, and it isn't a unification.

TBH I feel Devin going to PR this summer for PR Independence Day to fight Matias or even doing that at Hulu Theater during PR Parade weekend is something that would have really good ROI plus a story to sell.

Ryan vs Devin story line is they went 3-3 in Amatuers (who fukking cars), Tank beat both they asses, and Ryan going Crazy on Social media.

That is a tough sell to get get someone to drop 300 on nosebleeds (and even more if they have to fly there or get a hotel) or paying for the PPV and not bootlegging it.


Tank vs Frank in ATL, Miami, or Houston sells out on the Main Event alone. Add in the Benevidez rumor then LA at Crypto or Vegas it sells out too adding the Mexican factor.
 

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Outside of 140 and Heavyweight no division is “worth anything” unless you fighting Tank or Canelo lol. Boo Boo could have carved his lane in 160 OR chased smoke at 168 but still the visibility would have been light. Like i said we going into Summer, May will make 6 months from his last fight so if he doesnt announce something in April the nikka clearly isnt serious lol
140 :blessed:
 
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