Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.
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Erratic415
Superstar
79-82 SRL is one of the best fighters ever captured on film, and inside of 2 years he had run of opposition when he faced
-Undefeated El Radar
-72-1 Duran (twice)
-undefeated Hitman
He moved up to face a top 2 154 lb fighter in Kalule as a tune-up for Tommy
desjardins
Veteran
Love the fact Bud still exposing the real with that situation even after he took money from PBC
A lot of casual types didn't really know the details behind why he didn't fight Spence long ago and Bud is using his platform to really spell it out to the point it's undeniable
He suing Arum for not getting him the Spence fight which Arum contractually agreed to do, stupid clause since Arum couldn't force PBC to make a fight they didn't want to make.
Bud above quotes basically outline the circumstances around why Arum couldn't make him any other fights against the round robin kings until Porter was allowed to cash out. Bud is spelling that shyt out for yall in plain english and yall still can't accept the truth
Not to mention Arum just tried to set up Shakur to fight a top PBC prospect only for that to fall through likely because PBC has other plans for Martin in house
Crawford vs Porter...Tank vs Ryan
...Wilder vs Fury 1 proves your statement to be some bs thát bên debunked again and again.. them nikkas were ducking pussies and feared getting they ass put in the dirt like Bud did Spence.. the only reason they would fight Bud at this point is they desperate for a check
Arum is a scumbag promoter like all the rest but this narrative that he's the one blocking big cross promotional fights don't really hold up in the cases people try to apply it to. At this point PBC is looking like the platform that really "protects" their guys the most
nikka better off becoming a YT streamer at this point
it’s funny that Broner is the one missing out on exhibition money
you'd think that be his calling
you'd think that be his calling
Erratic415
Superstar
Raging Bull
The Great White Hype was a fun satire.
I always liked Undisputed with Ving Rhames & Wesley Snipes.
Million Dollar Baby, although it’s depressing.
I’ve never seen Cinderella Man but it got good reviews. I heard Max Baer got a raw deal in movie though as the movie needed a villain.
For documentaries:
After the Last Round
Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise & Fall of Jack
Johnson
Sugar Ray Robinson: The Bright Lights & Dark Shadows of a Champion
Sonny Liston: The Mysterious Life & Death of a Champion
When We Were Kings
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Black_Jesus
Superstar
Hell..Fulton just went all the way to Japan to fight a TR fighter cause he wanted the fight.. He didn't have to sign to a certain promoter to get it
seemorecizzy
Superstar
Yall can say whatever you want about floyd, but if Broner was signed to mayweather promotions, or if he listened to the advice that floyd would givr him over da years, he wouldnt be in this position.
Tank was smart enough not to follow in broner's footsteps
Tank was smart enough not to follow in broner's footsteps
Will we ever see Wilder vs Joshua? It seems to be this era’s Lewis vs Bowe. It’s a big money fight. I don’t get why the fight is so hard to make. What do you think of Wilder’s overall career value? Is he a Hall of Famer? Is he more George Foreman or Ernie Shavers?
Bread’s Response: I don’t know why Wilder vs Joshua hasn’t been made. Both guys would make huge paydays. I hope we don’t see another Lewis vs Bowe situation but that’s where it looks like it’s going.
Hall of Fame. Here is the thing. I don’t like to pick out names and say this or that guy should NOT be in the HOF. But we have to look at past events and take into consideration other fighters who have been elected to be HOF.
Ok so... huge punchers who won world titles, usually get considered. Because of the spectacle of their kos. For example Julian Jackson. It took a while for Jackson to be inducted but his career is similar to Wilder's in terms of power and successful reigns.
In terms of Heavyweights. Every heavyweight in history who has over 10 title defenses in is in the HOF. The 2nd best heavyweight of every era is in the HOF. Often times the 3rd best is also. So in the last era, both Klitschko brothers made the HOF. Wilder may not be as skilled as they are. But his ko%, and career numbers are comparable and head to head he's not over his head with them. I also believe that Wilder beats everyone that they beat. And Fury beat Wlad. So we know that the guy who beat Wilder, also would beat one of them. So again the if you look forensically there isn't as much separation as some would think.
Now here is the question does Wilder beat everyone who beat the Klitschkos. We know the answer to Tyson Fury. But Chris Byrd, Lennox Lewis, Ross Purity, Corrie Sanders, Anthony Joshua and Lamon Brewster are the fighters who beat the Klitschkos. With Wilder’s power he’s in every fight. But I think he beats Purity, Brewster and Byrd. Sanders is a scary fight, he’s tricky. The Joshua fight needs to be made. And I Lewis is an ATG, I wouldn’t favor Wilder over Lewis. So Wilder matches up with the Klitschko’s in terms of that also.
If you go back further to the 90s. Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Riddikk Bowe all went to the HOF. That’s a special era. If you throw in George Foreman and Larry Holmes, you have 6 HOF fighters at one time. All had greater careers than Wilder but again that was a golden era. But if you look at Riddikk Bowe’s numbers, Wilder’s are comparable. I know Bowe has the huge Holyfield wins but Bowe has some misses for a HOF in a deep era. Bowe never fought Tyson, Lewis, Ruddock, Mercer, Morrison, Foreman or Moorer. That’s a lot of misses. So Wilder has a comparable resume to Bowe although the Holyfield wins elevate Bowe.
The 80s produced 3 HOF heavyweights. Tyson, Holmes and Spinks. Holmes is a great fighter, but he doesn’t have the great HOF wins that you may think he has. In my opinion Holmes’s best win is over a faded Ken Norton. Ali was completely shot. c00ney was a solid prospect. And the Mercer win can be argued. But what Holmes does have is consistency.
Spinks beat Holmes twice and only loss to a prime Tyson. I don’t think Spinks was a great heavyweight, but I think he was a great fighter.
Now you have Tyson who Wilder is mostly compared to. I’m not going to get into the skill because HOF is about accomplishments and production. Tyson has an edge in my opinion because he unified each belt one by one and Wilder didn’t. Tyson also cleaned out his era in the mid to late 80s and Wilder didn’t. Tyson was also able to win his title back after he got out of jail and he partially unified. So right now, Wilder hasn’t accomplished what Tyson has. But this is not a question of who is an All Time Great.
Wilder would have a lot more work to do and he would have to beat Joshua and Usyk. But if we are just talking HOF, I say he deserves strong consideration. If he’s not in now, then one more big win or winning back his title would solidify it. My reasoning is if you go back through the last 4 eras to the 80s. Wilder’s career mostly resembles The Klitschko Brothers and Riddikk Bowe’s.
I think he can sit at the table with them as far as accomplishments. And if you’re a fan of Wilder you can point out that Wladimir’s losses have been much worse than Wilder’s. Being stopped by Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Ross Purity is not something that the media would let Wilder live down if you’re objectively fair.
And whatever you consider to be Wlad’s best win. It’s not far better than Luis Ortiz is it? So, if his career stopped today. I think Wilder should be under strong consideration. But it’s not over. Let's see his career play out.
Bread’s Response: I don’t know why Wilder vs Joshua hasn’t been made. Both guys would make huge paydays. I hope we don’t see another Lewis vs Bowe situation but that’s where it looks like it’s going.
Hall of Fame. Here is the thing. I don’t like to pick out names and say this or that guy should NOT be in the HOF. But we have to look at past events and take into consideration other fighters who have been elected to be HOF.
Ok so... huge punchers who won world titles, usually get considered. Because of the spectacle of their kos. For example Julian Jackson. It took a while for Jackson to be inducted but his career is similar to Wilder's in terms of power and successful reigns.
In terms of Heavyweights. Every heavyweight in history who has over 10 title defenses in is in the HOF. The 2nd best heavyweight of every era is in the HOF. Often times the 3rd best is also. So in the last era, both Klitschko brothers made the HOF. Wilder may not be as skilled as they are. But his ko%, and career numbers are comparable and head to head he's not over his head with them. I also believe that Wilder beats everyone that they beat. And Fury beat Wlad. So we know that the guy who beat Wilder, also would beat one of them. So again the if you look forensically there isn't as much separation as some would think.
Now here is the question does Wilder beat everyone who beat the Klitschkos. We know the answer to Tyson Fury. But Chris Byrd, Lennox Lewis, Ross Purity, Corrie Sanders, Anthony Joshua and Lamon Brewster are the fighters who beat the Klitschkos. With Wilder’s power he’s in every fight. But I think he beats Purity, Brewster and Byrd. Sanders is a scary fight, he’s tricky. The Joshua fight needs to be made. And I Lewis is an ATG, I wouldn’t favor Wilder over Lewis. So Wilder matches up with the Klitschko’s in terms of that also.
If you go back further to the 90s. Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and Riddikk Bowe all went to the HOF. That’s a special era. If you throw in George Foreman and Larry Holmes, you have 6 HOF fighters at one time. All had greater careers than Wilder but again that was a golden era. But if you look at Riddikk Bowe’s numbers, Wilder’s are comparable. I know Bowe has the huge Holyfield wins but Bowe has some misses for a HOF in a deep era. Bowe never fought Tyson, Lewis, Ruddock, Mercer, Morrison, Foreman or Moorer. That’s a lot of misses. So Wilder has a comparable resume to Bowe although the Holyfield wins elevate Bowe.
The 80s produced 3 HOF heavyweights. Tyson, Holmes and Spinks. Holmes is a great fighter, but he doesn’t have the great HOF wins that you may think he has. In my opinion Holmes’s best win is over a faded Ken Norton. Ali was completely shot. c00ney was a solid prospect. And the Mercer win can be argued. But what Holmes does have is consistency.
Spinks beat Holmes twice and only loss to a prime Tyson. I don’t think Spinks was a great heavyweight, but I think he was a great fighter.
Now you have Tyson who Wilder is mostly compared to. I’m not going to get into the skill because HOF is about accomplishments and production. Tyson has an edge in my opinion because he unified each belt one by one and Wilder didn’t. Tyson also cleaned out his era in the mid to late 80s and Wilder didn’t. Tyson was also able to win his title back after he got out of jail and he partially unified. So right now, Wilder hasn’t accomplished what Tyson has. But this is not a question of who is an All Time Great.
Wilder would have a lot more work to do and he would have to beat Joshua and Usyk. But if we are just talking HOF, I say he deserves strong consideration. If he’s not in now, then one more big win or winning back his title would solidify it. My reasoning is if you go back through the last 4 eras to the 80s. Wilder’s career mostly resembles The Klitschko Brothers and Riddikk Bowe’s.
I think he can sit at the table with them as far as accomplishments. And if you’re a fan of Wilder you can point out that Wladimir’s losses have been much worse than Wilder’s. Being stopped by Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster and Ross Purity is not something that the media would let Wilder live down if you’re objectively fair.
And whatever you consider to be Wlad’s best win. It’s not far better than Luis Ortiz is it? So, if his career stopped today. I think Wilder should be under strong consideration. But it’s not over. Let's see his career play out.