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reservoirdogs
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They better hurry then cause it's 2 months left from the year. Logically only December shows are in play from now on, if there would be something else than the Morrell card in November they surely would have to announce it already.
To me it seems like FOX is out of the picture but I'd be ok with them having one host channel/network/app instead of multiple, makes things simpler, maybe makes cards more stacked.
DAZN would be good because it would make easy Matchroom, PBC and GBP to work together
OGBobbyJohnson
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Bubba Dub done really blew up out here
desjardins
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damn figured PBC was holding him in the tuck to be fed to Spence when he moved up
exactly what i said, it's on PBC. they been marinating this fight for the longest and will make all the money on it. Should have presented Crawford with an offer he couldn't refuse to get the deal down.
It's kind of strange that PBC never made an earnest attempt to woo Crawford away from TR when he resigned last time and now that he's a free agent they still don't seem that pressed to get him under the banner now even though it would likely result in a trilogy with one of their bigger PPV fighters.
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J rock gotta get some wins first so you can sell that shyt in some fashion
Dallas' 4 Eva
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Why should the PBC want to sign Crawford long term? The only value he really has is that WBO belt. He doesn't have a real fanbase or great ticket sales or PPVs coming with him; hell his highest PPV numbers came in a fight with a PBC fighter(which is why Porter asked for more money). Bob Arum himself said he lost money on all of his fights.
If you blame PBC then you are blaming the business side of things, and the business side of things says once Crawford doesn't have that WBO belt he will bring nothing to the table for them to make a return on their investment. They would have to bank that a Spence vs Crawford PPV would be wildly successful to make it worth their while and let's be realistic, Spence vs Crawford at most may do 600k PPV buys bruh, that isn't a megafight the casuals are really asking for like a Canelo-GGG or May-Pac. Good numbers, but not enough for me to sign a multi fight deal for a guy who even when paired up with a well known name aint bringing in money like that.
desjardins
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He's 35 so I'm not really saying long term per say, but it would result in multiple big PPVs for one of their main guys. Arum was losing money because he had no viable opponents for Crawford
You say he has no value then in the next breath admit that him fighting Spence would yield Spence highest PPV by several 100K sells
They get at minimum two big PPVs then an opportunity to put him up against up and comers like Stanionis /Ennis or move him up to 154
The financial potential for Crawford is totally different at TR vs PBC because of PBC controlling the 147 and 154 divisions and it's why he'd be dumb to just accept any 1 sided deal they throw at him
Usyk's Trainer Says a Cruiserweight Return Would Only Happen For Canelo
BY BOXINGSCENE STAFF
Published Mon Oct 24, 2022, 12:32 PM EDT
WBO, IBF, WBA, IBO heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk has a lot of options to consider in 2023.
He saw action once in 2022, when he retained his unified crown with a hard-fought twelve round decision win over Anthony Joshua.
The main option would be an undisputed fight with WBC world champion Tyson Fury - provided Fury overcomes voluntary challenger Derek Chisora on December 3.
Usyk's assistant trainer, Sergey Lapin, says Fury is at the top of their list.
"Usyk has already recovered from the fight with Anthony Joshua, he's keeping himself in shape and is currently engaged in charity work. He's also waiting for the chatterbox Tyson Fury to finally have the courage to enter the ring with him. In the meantime Fury fights Derek Chisora. This is not an interesting fight, who will like this fight? Tyson is looking for easy fights," Lapin told Lord Ping.
Another possible option is former WBC world champion Deontay Wilder, who two weeks ago returned to the ring with a first round demolition of Robert Helenius.
"Deontay Wilder is a name that's been mentioned. Usyk does not fear Wilder. From Wilder's last fight, I didn't see anything new. This guy is very simple. He goes out and hits and he has a very strong punch. He compensates for his lack of technique," Lapin said.
In past interviews, Usyk has toyed around with the idea of returning to the cruiserweight division - where in 2018 the unbeaten boxer became the undisputed champion.
Lapin indicates that Usyk would only drop back for a showdown with Mexican superstar Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, who several times expressed interest in fighting Usyk at a catch-weight.
"Next year, the fight for the title of undisputed world champion against Tyson Fury is our priority. This is the main goal. But if this does not happen for whatever reason, then I hope that there will still be some very interesting fights ahead. Oleksandr could, for example, return to the cruiserweight division but only if he has a fight with Saul Alvarez. That's the only fighter that Usyk would come back down to cruiserweight for," Lapin said.
BY BOXINGSCENE STAFF
Published Mon Oct 24, 2022, 12:32 PM EDT
WBO, IBF, WBA, IBO heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk has a lot of options to consider in 2023.
He saw action once in 2022, when he retained his unified crown with a hard-fought twelve round decision win over Anthony Joshua.
The main option would be an undisputed fight with WBC world champion Tyson Fury - provided Fury overcomes voluntary challenger Derek Chisora on December 3.
Usyk's assistant trainer, Sergey Lapin, says Fury is at the top of their list.
"Usyk has already recovered from the fight with Anthony Joshua, he's keeping himself in shape and is currently engaged in charity work. He's also waiting for the chatterbox Tyson Fury to finally have the courage to enter the ring with him. In the meantime Fury fights Derek Chisora. This is not an interesting fight, who will like this fight? Tyson is looking for easy fights," Lapin told Lord Ping.
Another possible option is former WBC world champion Deontay Wilder, who two weeks ago returned to the ring with a first round demolition of Robert Helenius.
"Deontay Wilder is a name that's been mentioned. Usyk does not fear Wilder. From Wilder's last fight, I didn't see anything new. This guy is very simple. He goes out and hits and he has a very strong punch. He compensates for his lack of technique," Lapin said.
In past interviews, Usyk has toyed around with the idea of returning to the cruiserweight division - where in 2018 the unbeaten boxer became the undisputed champion.
Lapin indicates that Usyk would only drop back for a showdown with Mexican superstar Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, who several times expressed interest in fighting Usyk at a catch-weight.
"Next year, the fight for the title of undisputed world champion against Tyson Fury is our priority. This is the main goal. But if this does not happen for whatever reason, then I hope that there will still be some very interesting fights ahead. Oleksandr could, for example, return to the cruiserweight division but only if he has a fight with Saul Alvarez. That's the only fighter that Usyk would come back down to cruiserweight for," Lapin said.
Dallas' 4 Eva
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At MAX it would yield around 600k, realistically I expect it to do 4 to 500k. Most of that is gonna be around the fact it's an undisputed fight in a glamour division, not necessarily that it's Terence Crawford. Also I don't think Spence wants a trilogy with him, he has repeatedly said it's either Crawford or 154. I mean I could see why you would sign him to a multi fight deal, I just don't think it would be a smart move business wise long term.
Arum could have matched Crawford up against Pacquiao in 2015/2016 or found a way for Crawford and Mikey Garcia to have fought. Arum had options he just didn't choose to exercise them for whatever reason.
desjardins
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yea naw, it was a whole debate about this in one them other threads but Crawford could drop the WBO and if he fought Spence it would still be the biggest PPV of both their careers. He's an undefeated top p4p fighter that would be a betting favorite against Spence, that's what would be driving the career pay days for both. The unification is just icing on top. PBC not being willing to put the money up to make this happen is wild
Dallas' 4 Eva
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Just because it's a debate doesn't change the fact that all the evidence points to the belt being more important than Crawford. Crawford's name and status don't mean much otherwise he'd be bringing more to the table and PBC wouldn't mind signing him long term.
If PBC doesn't want to sign Crawford long term it sounds like they are actually confident in Spence's ability to take the belt off of him and don't want anything to do with him outside of that otherwise they would have been asking for rematch clauses, to my knowledge Crawford wants rematch clauses. Crawford is selling his belt, not Crawford.
desjardins
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Where is it reported that Crawford is the one requesting the rematch clause? It's in PBC best interest to include a rematch clause regardless who wins since it guarantees they don't end up with another Plant situation and they end up making money for both fights anyway. Since they clearly dictating all the other terms I'm assuming they included that as well.
The rematch clause benefits Crawford even if he WINs because it guarantees the winner a better split when without that if Crawford wins it's a possibility Spence could still argue for a higher split in a new negotiation so putting that in place don't mean he selling his belt to me. Just a common sense provision to agree to, especially since it's not some other bigger fight he need to go rush to after he whup Spence ass
Dallas' 4 Eva
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As far as I saw Crawford was the one who wants the multi fight deal and rematch clause, not Spence. Spence has made it very clear he gone whoop that boy and move up, why would he want a rematch clause unless Crawford agrees to take the rematch at 154.