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[patscorpio]

Winning a 12 round decision versus a fighter that far outweighs you or knocking them out early. which one is more impressive.. If you say the decision then cool I can accept that opinion I just disagree.. And you're right Stiverne 1 went the distance but the rematch he got starched.. the rest of what you're saying about who he fought after Stiverne is your personal opinion. Not facts.. When Wilder gets voted to HOF it will be because of his KO ratio, number of defenses, and length of time he reigned as champion

he actually beat the guy with the weight disadvantage and all; wilder did not with fury...so im not moved by the complaints of wilder being outweighed by x amount of pounds by fury...if wilder should get in so should chris byrd right? or maybe shannon briggs? or lamon brewster? or hasim rahman? or john ruiz?,,they should all get in now

 

[Black_Jesus]

he actually beat the guy with the weight disadvantage and all; wilder did not with fury...so im not moved by the complaints of wilder being outweighed by x amount of pounds by fury...if wilder should get in so should chris byrd right? or maybe shannon briggs? or lamon brewster? or hasim rahman? or john ruiz?,,they should all get in now

If Byrd, Brewster and the rest of them nikkas you named knocked out 42 of their 43 opponents.. had a title reign 5-6 years with top 5 number of HW defenses All Time then absolutely.. Is that the case for any one of them?.... And I never mentioned fury, Dallas did.. Fury is just 1 nikka of 35-40+ that outweighed Wilder by a great margin.. And that 1st fight is debatable.. Fury clearly was unconscious and was given a slow count.. Sad part is had Wilder won he wouldn't get credit for that KO.. He's been discredited his whole career

 

[patscorpio]

If Byrd, Brewster and the rest of them nikkas you named knocked out 42 of their 43 opponents.. had a title reign 5-6 years with top 5 number of HW defenses All Time then absolutely.. Is that the case for any one of them?.... And I never mentioned fury, Dallas did.. Fury is just 1 nikka of 35-40+ that outweighed Wilder by a great margin.. And that 1st fight is debatable.. Fury clearly was unconscious and was given a slow count.. Sad part is had Wilder won he wouldn't get credit for that KO.. He's been discredited his whole career

lets not be obtuse...all of them have better wins and/or resumes than wilder...for wilder to get in, that opens the case that any heavyweight champion since the 2000s can have a shot

 

[Black_Jesus]

lets not be obtuse...all of them have better wins and/or resumes than wilder...for wilder to get in, that opens the case that any heavyweight champion since the 2000s can have a shot

You're trying to argue your opinion vs my facts.. That shyt don't work.. None of them has accomplished what Wilder has and that's just a fact. Which is why Wilder will get in before any of them people you named after he retires

 

[patscorpio]

You're trying to argue your opinion vs my facts.. That shyt don't work.. None of them has accomplished what Wilder has and that's just a fact. Which is why Wilder will get in before any of them people you named after he retires

They actually accomplished more..hell they all regained their titles lol

 

[Black_Jesus]

They actually accomplished more..hell they all regained their titles lol

Name which ones had a title reign over 5 years. Name which ones KOd 42 of 43 opponents.. Name who has a defense record tied with Ali... Thats all I wanna know

 

[malbaker86]

Do you really wanna jump down this rabbit hole... cause there's a lot of guys who get all the hype in the world with shyt resumes man.

who are getting HOF talk with a "wack" resume out of Wilder and GGG?

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

who are getting HOF talk with a "wack" resume out of Wilder and GGG?

Vasyl Lomachenko(3 division champ firmer unified) and Terence Crawford(3 division champ former Undisputed)are both highly accomplished fighters with overall 'meh' resumes too, but both will(and rightfully should) get in because they held belts in multiple weight classes. Mikey Garcia as well, his best win is Robert Easter Jr., but he is a 4 division champ(also unified in a weight class) so rightfully he should get in.

Wilder is a heavyweight it isn't possible to jump up and down weight classes to collect belts off favorable matchups like in the lower weight classes. The man had a 5 year reign and 10 title defenses, that is impressive no matter how you feel about him as a boxer. This is a case of do you let your personal opinion about a fighters and their ability get in the way of respect for the sport.

Let me use another sport as an example to make my point. I can't stand Steph Curry or how he plays basketball, but I can't take away those 4 championships and 2 league MVPs, or the all time 3 point record. He's a first ballot hall of famer, regardless how I feel about him. Wilder has the highest KO ratio in history of any fighter with that many fights, a 5 year title reign, and 10 title defenses. If you respect the sport that should AT LEAST get him hall of fame consideration. If Wilder was able to get another title run in him and become a 2x champ that would definitely help his case, but to act like he shouldn't even be considered is straight hater shyt.

Edit: not to mention Wilder was an olympic Bronze medalist which also contributes to his candidacy as well.

 

[patscorpio]

 

[morris]

 

[theflyest]

Let that shyt marinate. It’s too soon we gotta marinate.

Boxing where the big fights don’t happen.

Let’s do Spence/Thurman, and give Crawford the much harder fight against someone like a Berto.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Yea but "quality opponents" is subjective... If we're talking about accomplishments.. Wilder did some shyt that won't be repeated possibly in our lifetime and he did it at Heavyweight where you have guys that could outweigh you by 20-70+ pounds

Come on, look at the list of the people he faced. Nothing subjective about it. I think it's the US boxing media bias that bumps him up. If he fought the same people but was fighting in Brazil and the only fights that took place here were the two Fury fights; I don't think he would be getting much of any praise, or any benefit of the doubt. He would be talked about like he was fighting cans in Brazil and then got exposed when he stepped up and fought in the US

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Ok good for him Pat, it doesn't change my point. If it's about maintaining weight classes to keep it fair and competitive how is a 51 pound weight difference allowed, but a fighter can come in a couple ounces over their weight and it's the end of the world.

.3 ounces is gonna make FAAAAR less of a difference than 50 or 100 pounds.

.3 at weighin but 15+ on fight night. That makes a big difference on the lower weights

 

[patscorpio]

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

.3 at weighin but 15+ on fight night. That makes a big difference on the lower weights

Hey be like the IBF and enforce a weigh in limit before and after if it's that big of a deal. Didn't Roy Jones say what's a couple of pounds.