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[Creflo ½ Dollar]

I don’t disagree that they are scouting and finding talent that others aren’t paying attention to or even willing to… but it’s also a fact that he underpays his black fighters and is a cheapskate period. All his black fighters end up leaving him for those reasons.


Both can be true at the same time. At the end of the day he only does business that works for him. Don’t got nothing to do with helping people out. But of course any Brutha who never had the opportunity gonna take it.

and Theres the okie doke. they throw you a lil bag early on and give you your little espn coming out party. "There see, I gave you your break"

Once you become a threat in the division Arum not gonna make sure that you eat or that u achieve your star potential. at TR You'll ALWAYS be secondary priority to somone who doesnt look like youno matter how good u are.

If it was a better alternative they would choose the better route but it seem to me it’s not…Top Rank has signed the most young black dudes the past couple of years. Obviously contrary to y’all beliefs top rank are giving out the best deals right now. Y’all are saying top tank robbing people but Yop Rank obviously got the bigger bag and they gives the young guys the most exposure.

It just like a new artist who first get in the game and sign a 360 deal…you got to take the opportunity when you can and then on the second contract if you successful , then you have leverage.

Very few young dudes come in the game with any leverage. If you ain’t got an Olympic Medal or a big following already you better take the best deal you can and at the end of the day if you the goods you gne make your money.

You just had Shakur make 1.7mil and Herring make 1.5…where is the robbing going on.

 

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Here is another great fight:
Lionel Rose vs Fighting Harada for the WBA/WBC Bantamweight title in Tokyo, Japan

This is the type of fight I like: two fighters in their primes with two distinct styles going at it

 

[Megadeus]

If it was a better alternative they would choose the better route but it seem to me it’s not…Top Rank has signed the most young black dudes the past couple of years. Obviously contrary to y’all beliefs top rank are giving out the best deals right now. Y’all are saying top tank robbing people but Yop Rank obviously got the bigger bag and they gives the young guys the most exposure.

It just like a new artist who first get in the game and sign a 360 deal…you got to take the opportunity when you can and then on the second contract if you successful , then you have leverage.

Very few young dudes come in the game with any leverage. If you ain’t got an Olympic Medal or a big following already you better take the best deal you can and at the end of the day if you the goods you gne make your money.

You just had Shakur make 1.7mil and Herring make 1.5…where is the robbing going on.

fam, but You never get that leverage at TR. Ever.

Its not just about what they give you when you come into the game. Its what your promoter is doing for you to make you achieve your potential. You could go undefeated and outclass everyone in our path, it dont matter. He will do nothing to make sure that you get those big fights that take you to the next level. But will work OVERTIME for any great ____ hope on the roster to acheive theirs. The man doesnt promote black fighters he just signs them early on so he can control them and keep them away from his other prospects who have the complexion to be more popular in his eyes. The man literally had "NBF" posted on the wall in his office.

Imagine being Terrence Crawford going undisputed and watching your promoter completely ignore you and dikkride some euroc with 8 pro fights on every platform for years. Imagine being Terrence Crawford and having your promoter ADMIT on audio that he rejected the fight between you and Pac because he wanted to "protect Pacquiou" from another L" instead of building your profile. Its Coli brehs making more than Bud and hes thirty fxcking 4.

If you think Arum will be putting up big money to help Shakur Stevenson secure his next legacy fights youre lost. That's not the way he moves and its well documented. Once youve gained some steam he'll just ignore you, freeze you out, or even shyt on you on multiple platforms. Meanwhile he'll sit there in the press booth and tell everyone "Lomachenko is the greatest fighter since Ali" (direct quote btw).

U get caught up on who got signed... yeah cool but so what. Theyre not handled properly throughout their careers so it doesnt matter.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Here is another great fight:
Lionel Rose vs Fighting Harada for the WBA/WBC Bantamweight title in Tokyo, Japan

This is the type of fight I like: two fighters in their primes with two distinct styles going at it

Lionel..

250,000 people lined the streets to greet and cheer Rose upon his return to Melbourne after beating Harada.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Hopefully this can be accepted by Ortiz this time and it can happen...

 

[patscorpio]

Hopefully this can be accepted by Ortiz this time and it can happen...

@reservoirdogs

I already see ppl on boxing twitter copping pleas saying ortiz doesnt have to face hrgovic in this eliminator because he has the "resume" ..this is why boxing has the issues it has with fights being made

luis ortiz was big baby miller status before he signed to pbc and got the wilder fights...and he didnt even beat him..what resume?

its either ignorance about hrgovic (i.e never seen him fight) or they know about hrgovic and know the shyt could be over if ortiz fights him..esp after martin was out here dropping dude

 

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Lionel..

250,000 people lined the streets to greet and cheer Rose upon his return to Melbourne after beating Harada.

Rightfully so. He put on a helluva performance for all 15 rounds. I got to give Harada props too for staying determined for all those rounds. Fighters back then were just built different.

 

[patscorpio]

Joe Smith Prioritizes Beterbiev Or Bivol Unification Over Shot At Canelo: 'It's For My Legacy'

BY SEAN NAM
Published Tue Jan 04, 2022, 09:24 AM EST


Joe Smith Jr. isn’t as impressed as some of his peers may be by the potential windfall of a Canelo Alvarez bout.

The former day laborer and current WBO light heavyweight beltholder from Long Island, New York was recently asked whom he wants to fight the most and his answer, not surprisingly, was in line with his reputation as a no-nonsense competitor.

“At this point, everybody would choose the Canelo fight, just because there’s money to be made there,” Smith told Brian Custer on The Last Stand Podcast. “But really, for my legacy, I want to be known as a great fighter, so I would like to fight [WBC/IBF titleholder Artur] Beterbiev and [WBA titleholder Dmitry] Bivol."

Smith (27-3, 21 KOs) is projected to defend his title against Callum Johnson (20-1, 14 KOs) on Jan. 15 at the Turning Stone Resort & Casino in Verona, New York. Smith lost to Bivol (19-0, 11 KOs) in their encounter in 2019 by wide decision. Since then Smith has reeled off three straight wins, including his last fight, a title-winning effort over Maxim Vlasov (46-4, 26 KOs).

Co-promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank Inc. recently suggested that Alvarez could be interested in facing either Beterbiev (17-0, 17 KOs) or Smith, both of whom belong to the Top Rank banner.

“With this sport you never know,” Smith said.” If they’re willing to come to me and fight, I’ll take any one of them. Those are the fights I want. I know I gotta get past Johnson and make a statement with him. That’s gonna open up the doors for these big fights to happen.”

ESPN reported last summer that Smith was projected to fight 175-pound newcomer Daniel Jacobs (37-3, 30 KOs), a former middleweight titleholder, in the early part of 2022. Asked about that matchup, Smith expressed little interest, stating it would be akin to taking a step “backward.”

“It’s not really a fight that I want,” Smith said of the Jacobs fight. “The fights I want: I want to unify. I want Beterbiev and Bivol."

For all his fixation on unifying the division, Smith, of course, would welcome a fight with Alvarez, if a serious deal ever materializes.

“Really, [Beterbiev and Bivol] are the only fights I want to take," Smith said. "It’s those two, unless Canelo comes up, and he wants to fight, I’ll take that fight. But I want to unify. I don’t want to go backwards. I’m trying to get all the belts.”

Smith expressed interest in facing Britain’s Anthony Yarde (22-2, 21 KOs), but he made it clear unification remains his top priority.

“I’ve got the world championship,” Smith said. “It’s around my waist and everybody wants it. I’m interested in the [Yarde] fight, but what I really want is to unify and become the one champion.”

 

[Ducktales]

If it was a better alternative they would choose the better route but it seem to me it’s not…Top Rank has signed the most young black dudes the past couple of years. Obviously contrary to y’all beliefs top rank are giving out the best deals right now. Y’all are saying top tank robbing people but Yop Rank obviously got the bigger bag and they gives the young guys the most exposure.

It just like a new artist who first get in the game and sign a 360 deal…you got to take the opportunity when you can and then on the second contract if you successful , then you have leverage.

Very few young dudes come in the game with any leverage. If you ain’t got an Olympic Medal or a big following already you better take the best deal you can and at the end of the day if you the goods you gne make your money.

You just had Shakur make 1.7mil and Herring make 1.5…where is the robbing going on.

Bro respectfully I already acknowledged that they pick up talent that a lot of the other companies haven’t even looked at or won’t. I also said I can’t blame nobody for doing it when it’s the best opportunity. I simply explained to the other person what the original poster meant by his statement. But Again there is nothing wrong with saying that he underpays his fighters. He openly discusses fighters not being worth this and that while they are working with him. It becomes robbery at the point where someone becomes a star and he refuses to pay them what they are worth. He offered Sean Porter 1 million for that Crawford fight. Yes if Shakur is with PBC he gets paid more and receives better promotion, regardless of what YOU think he is worth. Mayweather made more than triple what his last fight was for Top Rank immediately after he left him.. His very first fight. Do you know how many stars have called him out for this.. also refusing to fight his stars because his offers are so low for fights. Which in turn handicaps his fighters in the long run with less quality matches as what has happened with Crawford. Do you know how many fighters have left him because of his refusal to pay them more?


this is pretty well known in the industry bro. It’s not arguable. It’s been over 40 years. Again it doesn’t take away from his ability to make matches and scout talent. Neither did I say he doesn’t provide opportunities. But at the end of the day he only sees potential dollars that he can see so of course signs them. Both are true. It’s not a argument lol. If I had no other opportunities I’m signing with TR too, dont change who he is tho. Neither did I say he was racist or a evil person

 

[Ducktales]

fam, but You never get that leverage at TR. Ever.

Its not just about what they give you when you come into the game. Its what your promoter is doing for you to make you achieve your potential. You could go undefeated and outclass everyone in our path, it dont matter. He will do nothing to make sure that you get those big fights that take you to the next level. But will work OVERTIME for any great ____ hope on the roster to acheive theirs. The man doesnt promote black fighters he just signs them early on so he can control them and keep them away from his other prospects who have the complexion to be more popular in his eyes. The man literally had "NBF" posted on the wall in his office.

Imagine being Terrence Crawford going undisputed and watching your promoter completely ignore you and dikkride some euroc with 8 pro fights on every platform for years. Imagine being Terrence Crawford and having your promoter ADMIT on audio that he rejected the fight between you and Pac because he wanted to "protect Pacquiou" from another L" instead of building your profile. Its Coli brehs making more than Bud and hes thirty fxcking 4.

If you think Arum will be putting up big money to help Shakur Stevenson secure his next legacy fights youre lost. That's not the way he moves and its well documented. Once youve gained some steam he'll just ignore you, freeze you out, or even shyt on you on multiple platforms. Meanwhile he'll sit there in the press booth and tell everyone "Lomachenko is the greatest fighter since Ali" (direct quote btw).

U get caught up on who got signed... yeah cool but so what. Theyre not handled properly throughout their careers so it doesnt matter.

Exactly. He keeps talking about what HE thinks is good enough money for Bob Arum to pay his fighters

 

[patscorpio]

im going to play devil's advocate because its what i do best

@Megadeus @Ducktales who at PBC is at their peak professionally and financially right now?

 

[Ducktales]

im going to play devil's advocate because its what i do best

@Megadeus @Ducktales who at PBC is at their peak professionally and financially right now?

Instead of the back and forth.. let’s just leave it here with Bob Arum himself stating that he thinks PBC are overcharging and creating PPV for their fighters that don’t deserve them and whatnot. Fighters are getting paid more because of this. Does it hurt the fans more? Yes I completely agree with him. But he has over and over stated he doesn’t know how they are paying their fighters so much. The Charlo brothers would definitely not get paid as much as they do with TR..Not Spence… Porter if active fukk no. Thurman already cursed Arum out for his cheap prices, saying he can’t afford to give his fighters good matches because of his low ball offers.


“I don’t know what PBC is doing,” said Arum during a recent interview with Barbershop Conversations. “They’ve done so many of these Pay-Per-View events which have largely been unsuccessful. It must be costing a ton of money. Whether it’s the Charlo brothers or even Tank Davis who’s a big talent. His fight with Cruz was a good fight but not a Pay-Per-View fight. Not for the price they were charging. This is the only statement I have been making. I don’t care anything else about this

“People have to realize where we’re at economically in this country. You’re not going to get the public to shell out big bucks in this climate. Unless it’s something so overwhelming that they decide to do it.”

Showtime has a bigger budget with them PBC. It’s that simple. People say they (Al Haymon) over pay and ESPN underpays. It’s not debatable. Everybody knows this. I agreed with him on Teo thinking he is worth more than he was for the Kambosis fight. But Teo easily got offered more $ from two different promo houses. It is what it is

Bob Arum: 'I Don’t Know What PBC Is Doing, They’ve Done So Many Pay-Per-View Events Which Have Largely Been unsuccessful'

 

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Pre fight build up


The fight


post fight interview


This fight doesn't get brought up enough in great heavyweight fights, imo.

 

[patscorpio]

Pre fight build up


The fight


post fight interview


This fight doesn't get brought up enough in great heavyweight fights, imo.

the tyson ruddock fights are brutal stuff....the second fight more brutal than the first one

the first fight had the dubious stoppage with steele as ref (with a known history of bad stoppages), the second fight had mills lane as ref (who was a boxing fan's ref) and got a slugfest that went the distance

 

[patscorpio]

Instead of the back and forth.. let’s just leave it here with Bob Arum himself stating that he thinks PBC are overcharging and creating PPV for their fighters that don’t deserve them and whatnot. Fighters are getting paid more because of this. Does it hurt the fans more? Yes I completely agree with him. But he has over and over stated he doesn’t know how they are paying their fighters so much. The Charlo brothers would definitely not get paid as much as they do with TP. Not Spence… Porter fukk no. Thurman already cursed Arum out for his cheap prices, saying he can’t afford to give his fighters good matches because of his low ball offers.


“I don’t know what PBC is doing,” said Arum during a recent interview with Barbershop Conversations. “They’ve done so many of these Pay-Per-View events which have largely been unsuccessful. It must be costing a ton of money. Whether it’s the Charlo brothers or even Tank Davis who’s a big talent. His fight with Cruz was a good fight but not a Pay-Per-View fight. Not for the price they were charging. This is the only statement I have been making. I don’t care anything else about this

“People have to realize where we’re at economically in this country. You’re not going to get the public to shell out big bucks in this climate. Unless it’s something so overwhelming that they decide to do it.”

Showtime has a bigger budget with them PBC. It’s that simple. People say they (Al Haymon) over pay and ESPN underpays. It’s not debatable. Everybody knows this. I agreed with him on Teo thinking he is worth more than he was for the Kambosis fight. But Teo easily got offered more $ from two different promo houses. It is what it is

Bob Arum: 'I Don’t Know What PBC Is Doing, They’ve Done So Many Pay-Per-View Events Which Have Largely Been unsuccessful'

im aware of what bob thinks of PBC PPVs..the thing im focusing on is you thinking that PBC would get him more money and better promotion so i was curious on who you think over there is at their peak professionally AND financially now? There is only a handful in boxing overall that can say that in varying degrees.. With respect to Crawford, just because he's not making what you think PBC fighters are making doesn't mean he is not a millionaire. He's still rich AND he is at the peak of his career professionally now.