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You gonna rock with your Nigerian breh and that’s fine but damn, I hope Glowacki wins this, Okolie is really just a choir to watch. It’s like his inspiration was Wladimir Klitschko when he fought Povetkin

knowing how to tie up is a necessary skill but this dude... :hhh:

Ill never forgive him for that Chamberlin fight :scust:
 

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Showtime gave all these nikkas the blueprint back in the early 2000's when they were on that anti-contract shyt to compete against HBO. They were signing fights and not fighters. Thats why during that era we got so many classics from them. They would throw it on the 1st Saturday of the month and then let that Saturday theme song rock. (shyt still get me hype)

That strategy would have worked perfect for this era when you had all these free agents floating around. No way I'm signing all these diva ass nikkas and not have them contractually obligated to face who I specifically want them to face.

DAZN got finessed by Oscar and Hearn. Gave their guys all that money when the best fights came from the WBSS tourneys, save for a few quality match ups here and there (ex. Hooker/Ramirez and Estrada/Sor 2, Farmer/Diaz, etc...)

If they had some nikkas over there that knew what they were doing we would have been gotten fights like BJS/Smith, Canelo/GGG 3, Andrade/Munguia, that shouldn't have been hard to make.

Never wanted to see them fail, but they were moving wrong from the start. :manny:
 

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Showtime gave all these nikkas the blueprint back in the early 2000's when they were on that anti-contract shyt to compete against HBO. They were signing fights and not fighters. Thats why during that era we got so many classics from them. They would throw it on the 1st Saturday of the month and then let that Saturday theme song rock. (shyt still get me hype)

That strategy would have worked perfect for this era when you had all these free agents floating around. No way I'm signing all these diva ass nikkas and not have them contractually obligated to face who I specifically want them to face.

DAZN got finessed by Oscar and Hearn. Gave their guys all that money when the best fights came from the WBSS tourneys, save for a few quality match ups here and there (ex. Hooker/Ramirez and Estrada/Sor 2, Farmer/Diaz, etc...)

If they had some nikkas over there that knew what they were doing we would have been gotten fights like BJS/Smith, Canelo/GGG 3, Andrade/Munguia, that shouldn't have been hard to make.

Never wanted to see them fail, but they were moving wrong from the start. :manny:

This is what kills me about DAZN, they have all these good fights they can make in house and still fumble the damn rock on most of them. Say what you want about Top Rank and PBC, both of those promotions if they have top level fighters signed in house, MOST of the time, find a way to get they top level fighters to fight each other in a reasonable amount of time.

DAZN been promising Canelo vs GGG 3 for going on 3 years now, when GGG could of fought Andrade, or hell Andrade could fight Jacobs or Munguia. Why the hell have Callum Smith and BJS not fought yet, they both in house and they are both from the UK that is one of the easiest fights to make yet they can't get it done. DAZN has given us some great fights, but honestly by this point they are hurting the sport more than they are helping it, they have all these fighters tied up under contract when they could of been somewhere else giving us good fights instead of wasting away on DAZN.
 

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This is what kills me about DAZN, they have all these good fights they can make in house and still fumble the damn rock on most of them. Say what you want about Top Rank and PBC, both of those promotions if they have top level fighters signed in house, MOST of the time, find a way to get they top level fighters to fight each other in a reasonable amount of time.

DAZN been promising Canelo vs GGG 3 for going on 3 years now, when GGG could of fought Andrade, or hell Andrade could fight Jacobs or Munguia. Why the hell have Callum Smith and BJS not fought yet, they both in house and they are both from the UK that is one of the easiest fights to make yet they can't get it done. DAZN has given us some great fights, but honestly by this point they are hurting the sport more than they are helping it, they have all these fighters tied up under contract when they could of been somewhere else giving us good fights instead of wasting away on DAZN.

Exactly
We had to get through like 5 fights from Farmer before he faced a top name opponent in Diaz and this is after not making the Tank fight.

They honestly needed to explode out the gate with great match ups between their top guys. shyt definitely took too long to get going.
 

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I like the sound of this, if you follow Kurt Emhoff and his podcast he has good ideas about boxing. Can't copy the title but its via The Athletic

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The boxing industry is essentially splintered into three de facto leagues, each with its own TV rights deal — or in the case of PBC, two of them — and stable of fighters.

PBC boasts the largest, deepest roster with fights on FOX and Showtime; DAZN features boxers aligned with Matchroom Sport and Golden Boy; and then there’s Top Rank, the old guard that is in the midst of a seven-year deal with ESPN.

Now, sources tell The Athletic, a new entity is jumping into the fray after completing a rights deal with NBC Sports, only there won’t be any promoter at all, save for a local one in place simply to stage the fights.

Ring City, a sports media platform startup, kicks off its promoter-agnostic boxing series on Nov. 19, the first of three Thursday night events on NBC Sports Network this year, sources said. Two more follow on Dec. 3 and Dec. 17 before the company embarks on a full slate in 2021.

The mission statement is simple: Create action-packed fights where each boxer has a realistic path to victory. There will be two-to-three bouts on each two-hour telecast, per sources, which will be contested at historic gyms around the U.S. The trio of upcoming events will be staged at a famed gym in Southern California.

If Ring City is successful, the series will harken back to the days of “USA Tuesday Night Fights,” a 90s program that delivered fan-friendly bouts, many of them spotlighting top prospects.

Ostensibly, Ring City won’t be competing with the three aforementioned leagues. Instead, the series could serve as a feeder system, much the way the XFL acted as a pipeline for the NFL.

The bouts aren’t completed yet, but the group, composed of former HBO Sports executive Evan Rutkowski, lawyer Kurt Emhoff and former “Contender” consultant Sam Katkovski on the boxing side, has already extended offers to promoters. (The co-founders are marketing executive Frank Samuel and production executive Jeff Huggins.)

Ring City’s budget for shows will exceed that of “ShoBox,” Showtime’s prospect-oriented series, per sources.

But unlike that program, which over the last couple of years has often televised vaunted prospects in complete mismatches, Ring City officials have vowed to pass on any such matchups. Even if it means missing out on a rising star like Jaron Ennis, who’s boxed on “ShoBox” countless times in one-sided fights.

Perhaps equally as important, boxing once again returns to NBC Sports, a network with a long history in the fight game.

Al Haymon’s PBC debuted in 2015 with a fight between Keith Thurman and Robert Guerrero on the free-to-air network. PBC also had bouts on sister network NBC Sports Network, which is available in over 80 million homes.


Keith Thurman and Robert Guerrero fought in the debut of PBC on March 7, 2015 in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Harry How/Getty Images)
Previously, Main Events enjoyed a run on the pair of networks, highlighted by the ascent of Sergey Kovalev and the stateside debut of current heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, who knocked out Steve Cunningham on NBC in 2013.

Main Events CEO Kathy Duva was close to reviving a rights deal with NBC in 2018 before the agreement fell apart when the Atlanta city site agreement that would have injected money collapsed.

Now, Duva figures to be one of the promoters supplying fighters to Ring City, along with others who don’t currently enjoy TV deals like Lou DiBella, Dmitry Salita and Tom Loeffler. These promoters have been forced to rely on the three de facto leagues for precious B-side slots for fighter development. Ring City will provide them a much-needed outlet and could also ostensibly showcase boxers from major promotions, though it could prove difficult to secure them.

In order for Ring City to succeed, competitive matchmaking will need to be first and foremost. The organization, at least, won’t be clouded by other interests like protecting its own fighters. It will also eschew multi-fight deals in favor of one-offs designed to ensure there are as many 50-50 bouts as possible.

Storytelling will also be key. Longtime television executive Eric Weinberger, formerly of NFL Network and The Ringer, will play a large role on that front, per sources. The series will aim to whip around the industry, covering the sport at large in the same vein as ESPN’s defunct “Friday Night Fights” series with news and insight.

Shoulder programming is expected on digital platforms, too.

All those ingredients will be paramount to the startup’s success as it aims to create a successful brand in a boxing industry that is being disrupted by COVID. But one aspect must rule them all for fans to truly care about boxing’s return to NBC Sports: competitive matchmaking featuring real talent.

PBC and Main Events were able to deliver that in spurts. Sustaining longevity in that department is a far greater challenger, especially in today’s boxing world that’s more splintered than ever before.
 

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I like the sound of this, if you follow Kurt Emhoff and his podcast he has good ideas about boxing. Can't copy the title but its via The Athletic

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The boxing industry is essentially splintered into three de facto leagues, each with its own TV rights deal — or in the case of PBC, two of them — and stable of fighters.

PBC boasts the largest, deepest roster with fights on FOX and Showtime; DAZN features boxers aligned with Matchroom Sport and Golden Boy; and then there’s Top Rank, the old guard that is in the midst of a seven-year deal with ESPN.

Now, sources tell The Athletic, a new entity is jumping into the fray after completing a rights deal with NBC Sports, only there won’t be any promoter at all, save for a local one in place simply to stage the fights.

Ring City, a sports media platform startup, kicks off its promoter-agnostic boxing series on Nov. 19, the first of three Thursday night events on NBC Sports Network this year, sources said. Two more follow on Dec. 3 and Dec. 17 before the company embarks on a full slate in 2021.

The mission statement is simple: Create action-packed fights where each boxer has a realistic path to victory. There will be two-to-three bouts on each two-hour telecast, per sources, which will be contested at historic gyms around the U.S. The trio of upcoming events will be staged at a famed gym in Southern California.

If Ring City is successful, the series will harken back to the days of “USA Tuesday Night Fights,” a 90s program that delivered fan-friendly bouts, many of them spotlighting top prospects.

Ostensibly, Ring City won’t be competing with the three aforementioned leagues. Instead, the series could serve as a feeder system, much the way the XFL acted as a pipeline for the NFL.

The bouts aren’t completed yet, but the group, composed of former HBO Sports executive Evan Rutkowski, lawyer Kurt Emhoff and former “Contender” consultant Sam Katkovski on the boxing side, has already extended offers to promoters. (The co-founders are marketing executive Frank Samuel and production executive Jeff Huggins.)

Ring City’s budget for shows will exceed that of “ShoBox,” Showtime’s prospect-oriented series, per sources.

But unlike that program, which over the last couple of years has often televised vaunted prospects in complete mismatches, Ring City officials have vowed to pass on any such matchups. Even if it means missing out on a rising star like Jaron Ennis, who’s boxed on “ShoBox” countless times in one-sided fights.

Perhaps equally as important, boxing once again returns to NBC Sports, a network with a long history in the fight game.

Al Haymon’s PBC debuted in 2015 with a fight between Keith Thurman and Robert Guerrero on the free-to-air network. PBC also had bouts on sister network NBC Sports Network, which is available in over 80 million homes.


Keith Thurman and Robert Guerrero fought in the debut of PBC on March 7, 2015 in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Harry How/Getty Images)
Previously, Main Events enjoyed a run on the pair of networks, highlighted by the ascent of Sergey Kovalev and the stateside debut of current heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, who knocked out Steve Cunningham on NBC in 2013.

Main Events CEO Kathy Duva was close to reviving a rights deal with NBC in 2018 before the agreement fell apart when the Atlanta city site agreement that would have injected money collapsed.

Now, Duva figures to be one of the promoters supplying fighters to Ring City, along with others who don’t currently enjoy TV deals like Lou DiBella, Dmitry Salita and Tom Loeffler. These promoters have been forced to rely on the three de facto leagues for precious B-side slots for fighter development. Ring City will provide them a much-needed outlet and could also ostensibly showcase boxers from major promotions, though it could prove difficult to secure them.

In order for Ring City to succeed, competitive matchmaking will need to be first and foremost. The organization, at least, won’t be clouded by other interests like protecting its own fighters. It will also eschew multi-fight deals in favor of one-offs designed to ensure there are as many 50-50 bouts as possible.

Storytelling will also be key. Longtime television executive Eric Weinberger, formerly of NFL Network and The Ringer, will play a large role on that front, per sources. The series will aim to whip around the industry, covering the sport at large in the same vein as ESPN’s defunct “Friday Night Fights” series with news and insight.

Shoulder programming is expected on digital platforms, too.

All those ingredients will be paramount to the startup’s success as it aims to create a successful brand in a boxing industry that is being disrupted by COVID. But one aspect must rule them all for fans to truly care about boxing’s return to NBC Sports: competitive matchmaking featuring real talent.

PBC and Main Events were able to deliver that in spurts. Sustaining longevity in that department is a far greater challenger, especially in today’s boxing world that’s more splintered than ever before.

i like this...we need that TNF/FNF type boxing programming...hell even that KO Nation feeling
 

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NBC SPORTS RETURNS TO BOXING

The boxing industry is essentially splintered into three de facto leagues, each with its own TV rights deal — or in the case of PBC, two of them — and stable of fighters.

PBC boasts the largest, deepest roster with fights on FOX and Showtime; DAZN features boxers aligned with Matchroom Sport and Golden Boy; and then there’s Top Rank, the old guard that is in the midst of a seven-year deal with ESPN.

Now, sources tell The Athletic, a new entity is jumping into the fray after completing a rights deal with NBC Sports, only there won’t be any promoter at all, save for a local one in place simply to stage the fights.

Ring City, a sports media platform startup, kicks off its promoter-agnostic boxing series on Nov. 19, the first of three Thursday night events on NBC Sports Network this year, sources said. Two more follow on Dec. 3 and Dec. 17 before the company embarks on a full slate in 2021.

The mission statement is simple: Create action-packed fights where each boxer has a realistic path to victory. There will be two-to-three bouts on each two-hour telecast, per sources, which will be contested at historic gyms around the U.S. The trio of upcoming events will be staged at a famed gym in Southern California.

If Ring City is successful, the series will harken back to the days of “USA Tuesday Night Fights,” a 90s program that delivered fan-friendly bouts, many of them spotlighting top prospects.

Ostensibly, Ring City won’t be competing with the three aforementioned leagues. Instead, the series could serve as a feeder system, much the way the XFL acted as a pipeline for the NFL.

The bouts aren’t completed yet, but the group, composed of former HBO Sports executive Evan Rutkowski, lawyer Kurt Emhoff and former “Contender” consultant Sam Katkovski on the boxing side, has already extended offers to promoters. (The co-founders are marketing executive Frank Samuel and production executive Jeff Huggins.)

Ring City’s budget for shows will exceed that of “ShoBox,” Showtime’s prospect-oriented series, per sources.

But unlike that program, which over the last couple of years has often televised vaunted prospects in complete mismatches, Ring City officials have vowed to pass on any such matchups. Even if it means missing out on a rising star like Jaron Ennis, who’s boxed on “ShoBox” countless times in one-sided fights.

Perhaps equally as important, boxing once again returns to NBC Sports, a network with a long history in the fight game.

Al Haymon’s PBC debuted in 2015 with a fight between Keith Thurman and Robert Guerrero on the free-to-air network. PBC also had bouts on sister network NBC Sports Network, which is available in over 80 million homes.


Keith Thurman and Robert Guerrero fought in the debut of PBC on March 7, 2015 in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Harry How/Getty Images)
Previously, Main Events enjoyed a run on the pair of networks, highlighted by the ascent of Sergey Kovalev and the stateside debut of current heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, who knocked out Steve Cunningham on NBC in 2013.

Main Events CEO Kathy Duva was close to reviving a rights deal with NBC in 2018 before the agreement fell apart when the Atlanta city site agreement that would have injected money collapsed.

Now, Duva figures to be one of the promoters supplying fighters to Ring City, along with others who don’t currently enjoy TV deals like Lou DiBella, Dmitry Salita and Tom Loeffler. These promoters have been forced to rely on the three de facto leagues for precious B-side slots for fighter development. Ring City will provide them a much-needed outlet and could also ostensibly showcase boxers from major promotions, though it could prove difficult to secure them.

In order for Ring City to succeed, competitive matchmaking will need to be first and foremost. The organization, at least, won’t be clouded by other interests like protecting its own fighters. It will also eschew multi-fight deals in favor of one-offs designed to ensure there are as many 50-50 bouts as possible.

Storytelling will also be key. Longtime television executive Eric Weinberger, formerly of NFL Network and The Ringer, will play a large role on that front, per sources. The series will aim to whip around the industry, covering the sport at large in the same vein as ESPN’s defunct “Friday Night Fights” series with news and insight.

Shoulder programming is expected on digital platforms, too.

All those ingredients will be paramount to the startup’s success as it aims to create a successful brand in a boxing industry that is being disrupted by COVID. But one aspect must rule them all for fans to truly care about boxing’s return to NBC Sports: competitive matchmaking featuring real talent.

PBC and Main Events were able to deliver that in spurts. Sustaining longevity in that department is a far greater challenger, especially in today’s boxing world that’s more splintered than ever before.

Classic Rewind

The great Erik Morales celebrated his 44th birthday Tuesday, so let’s take a look back at his final fight of the year candidate in a career full of them.

In some ways, his performance against Marcos Maidana is the hall of famer’s most gutsy feat. Sure, it’s hard to top his three grueling battles with Marco Antonio Barrera or turning southpaw in the 12th round against Manny Pacquiao in a fight he was winning.

But to stand toe-to-toe with Marcos Maidana, a young, rugged brawler with anvils for fists at the age of 34? Not just any 34, mind you. His 58th bout in a career filled with wars that took their toll.

When Maidana-Morales was announced, it was lambasted. It was hard to see anything other than a destructive win for Maidana, the Argentine who was coming off a terrific performance against Amir Khan in a close-decision loss that was a contender for fight of the year.

Maidana was installed as nearly a 6-to-1 favorite. Morales, after all, entered the fight on the heels of three wins over limited opposition following a four-bout losing streak. The Mexican’s last meaningful victory was more than six years ago, the aforementioned decision over Pacquiao.

Somehow, Morales staved off time for one night with a vintage display of blood, guts and balls. He absorbed plenty of hellacious Maidana power shots and kept coming back for more. The underdog’s right eye was completely shut by the end of Round 2, but even with one eye he never stopped pushing forward.

Maidana threw nearly 1,000 punches — about double Morales’ output — but what “El Terrible” lacked at that stage, he made up for with in-ring guile as he was able to counter the hard-charging fighter over and over.

“Chino” grabbed the nod on the judges’ scorecards, but this was a close fight, a fitting last stand for one of boxing’s greatest all-time warriors, and one of the sport’s most rewatchable fights almost 10 years later.

Date: April 9, 2011

Location: MGM Grand, Las Vegas

Division: Junior welterweight

Network: HBO PPV


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