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manny got jobbed breh..everyone knows he didn't lose that shyt..arum wanted to create a new star/rival for pacquiao and failed

He didnt get jobbed, he deserved to lose because he got a brutal ass whippping in those middle rounds, besides that he outworked Manny, and didnt touched the canvas, who you know out works Manny, and after seeing Prov handle Timmy with ease, it made me say to myself damn maybe Manny is more shot than televised, and Manny's next performance proved that

As far as Bradley Pac goes, although I felt Manny deserved the nod, it was no robbery thats fukking bullshyt, Bradley answered every single flurry, and had about 3 horrible rounds which he didnt touch the canvas keeping the fight close. Watch these highlights and who does it look like won........................





Toss up fight that truly could be argued both ways.......................

 

[HamAndEgger]

lol @ Alvarez being on the same level as Garcia/Judah/Peterson/Matthysse/Khan

He is better than all of em and is gonna do Cotto like he did Mosley.


Some of yall have horrible boxing eyes but sound knowledgable

I can understand the money aspect, but Canelo gains nothing from beating Cotto now. He just beat the guy that beat him soundly. I can see if Cotto had a bounce back win, but going right into a Canelo fight seems like Cotto wants to cash out, which I assume would set up a May 3rd 2014 fight with Floyd (if neither lose by then).

 

[patscorpio]

Golden Boy Promotions President Oscar De La Hoya has big plans for WBC/WBA junior middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (42-0-1, 30KOs). After unifying the titles on Saturday night with a decision victory over Austin Trout, the Mexican star is looking for big things in the fall. Canelo wants to return on Mexican Independence Day Weekend, September 14th, in a major fight.

At the top of Canelo's list is Floyd Mayweather Jr. (43-0, 26KOs), who defends his title on May 4th in Las Vegas against Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero (31-1-1, 18KOs). If a deal with Mayweather cannot be reached, or Guerrero pulls of a major upset, then another good possibility for the fall is former three division world champion Miguel Cotto (37-3, 30KOs) of Puerto Rico.

De La Hoya: Miguel Cotto is also an Option For Canelo - Boxing News


Like I said they are using Mayweather to piggyback off of without fighting him for now they truly aren't even thinking about Mayweather, Oscar and anybody who knows this boxing shyt knows damn well Cotto comes before Mayweather, and that they wanted the Cotto match since last year.

Cotto will expose Canelo though, you need superb work rate to trouble a fighter like Cotto and keep him off of you, and contrary to popular belief Cotto has a granite chin. Asx long as Cotto throws that thudding jab and refuse to be sucked into a brawl like he did in his l's when at times in those fights he boxed quite effectively, he wins easily

cotto chin is good but he doesn't have a granite chin...dude was rocked against corley and nearly ko'ed by torres before margo and pac beat him down

 

[HamAndEgger]

He didnt get jobbed, he deserved to lose because he got a brutal ass whippping in those middle rounds, besides that he outworked Manny, and didnt touched the canvas, who you know out works Manny, and after seeing Prov handle Timmy with ease, it made me say to myself damn maybe Manny is more shot than televised, and Manny's next performance proved that

As far as Bradley Pac goes, although I felt Manny deserved the nod, it was no robbery thats fukking bullshyt, Bradley answered every single flurry, and had about 3 horrible rounds which he didnt touch the canvas keeping the fight close. Watch these highlights and who does it look like won........................



Manny-Pacquiao-Vs-Timothy-Bradley-Fight-Highlight - YouTube

I watched the fight a couple times and still scored it 116-112 Pacquiao. Bradley was busy, but not effective. In Boxing in general you have to take the title from the champion, and I don't think Bradley did enough to win.

 

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I can understand the money aspect, but Canelo gains nothing from beating Cotto now. He just beat the guy that beat him soundly. I can see if Cotto had a bounce back win, but going right into a Canelo fight seems like Cotto wants to cash out, which I assume would set up a May 3rd 2014 fight with Floyd (if neither lose by then).

exactly its not a good look fighting a guy at this point who hasn't won a fight since 2011..financially it will pay off since the whole pr vs mexico rivalry will be in the effect but as a victory it won't mean much..it could also backfire if cotto decides to have that one last great past prime performance that these boxers usually have

 

[Black_Jesus]

Cotto is going to get his motherfukking ass beat in front of his wife and kids
YET AGAIN...

If the Canelo and Floyd don't happen, it just proves what I been saying bout Floydie all along... I bet Sergio will be man enough to drop down and him and Canelo do over 1m ppv buys

 

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lol @ Alvarez being on the same level as Garcia/Judah/Peterson/Matthysse/Khan

He is better than all of em and is gonna do Cotto like he did Mosley.


Some of yall have horrible boxing eyes but sound knowledgable

all I can say is we will see. in a couple of years he is going to be just like Ortiz. I told people the same thing about Cotto. Cotto did turn out slightly better than I anticipated but nowhere near what he was proclaimed to be, which is what Canelo is going through now.

lemme break it down for you....we can all see the boy has talent but that talent has to be nurtured and cultivated. that rarely happens though in this time because as BHop said [in reference to Jermain Taylor] "they took the bread out of the oven before it is done".

the guy has 43 fights and like someone said here, that fact alone and that he holds two titles will stunt his growth even though he is 22 and supposed to improve. thats like a player going from HS straight to the NBA. you cant go back and say I want to play in college and hone my skills...no. you have to now improve on the job and earn your paycheck. Lebron did it, KG and Kobe did it, but look at how many that didnt last that long and didnt make a career.

We know Canelo has potential but can he turn that into performance?

Once you take certain steps you cant turn back. Canelo may turn out to be great, but its not going to be easy. My bet is he ends up like Ortiz or Taylor in a few years. Rich, but unfulfilled for all the hype placed on him. the reason being.....they took the bread out of the oven before it was done.

 

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I watched the fight a couple times and still scored it 116-112 Pacquiao. Bradley was busy, but not effective. In Boxing in general you have to take the title from the champion, and I don't think Bradley did enough to win.

I picked Bradley to "win" that fight, but I didnt bet because I didnt think he would get the decision (with Floyd fight looming). After the fight was over, I felt personally that he lost...but officially, he got the decision!

 

[HamAndEgger]

all I can say is we will see. in a couple of years he is going to be just like Ortiz. I told people the same thing about Cotto. Cotto did turn out slightly better than I anticipated but nowhere near what he was proclaimed to be, which is what Canelo is going through now.

lemme break it down for you....we can all see the boy has talent but that talent has to be nurtured and cultivated. that rarely happens though in this time because as BHop said [in reference to Jermain Taylor] "they took the bread out of the oven before it is done".

the guy has 43 fights and like someone said here, that fact alone and that he holds two titles will stunt his growth even though he is 22 and supposed to improve. thats like a player going from HS straight to the NBA. you cant go back and say I want to play in college and hone my skills...no. you have to now improve on the job and earn your paycheck. Lebron did it, KG and Kobe did it, but look at how many that didnt last that long and didnt make a career.

We know Canelo has potential but can he turn that into performance?

Once you take certain steps you cant turn back. Canelo may turn out to be great, but its not going to be easy. My bet is he ends up like Ortiz or Taylor in a few years. Rich, but unfulfilled for all the hype placed on him. the reason being.....they took the bread out of the oven before it was done.

I was a Canelo doubter, but I've let my guard down on him. He's the goods. He showed improvement with his defense, counter punching, and didn't need to stalk Trout to get his shots off. Yea, his stamina sorta reminds me of Cotto's, but I think overall he's a much better combination puncher, more power, better speed than Cotto entering even Welterweight. I think also what some are forgetting in relation to Canelo vs Trout is Trout was the #1 154lber next to him. I didn't expect Canelo to wash out Trout but I also didn't think he'd drop and hurt Trout the way he did. Says alot about Canelo's power and also Trout's will. I think Canelo's only going to get better fighting tougher opponents more than him being a Victor Ortiz (who mentally or skill wise isn't in the same stratosphere as Canelo).

 

[Black_Jesus]

@synistr

What is with you continuously comparing Canelo to Ortiz.... the only thing similar about those two is their ages and what country they're from.. Ortiz was never overrated he was rated as an avg boxer at best ... nothing more than a southpaw tune up fight for Maynever.. no one I can recall looked at dude like he had next... maybe you did

 

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@synistr

What is with you continuously comparing Canelo to Ortiz.... the only thing similar about those two is their ages and what country they're from.. Ortiz was never overrated he was rated as an avg boxer at best ... nothing more than a southpaw tune up fight for Maynever.. no one I can recall looked at dude like he had next... maybe you did

your crazy or were somewhere under a rock one or the other because HBO hyped the shyt outta Ortiz. and he did like like an absolute beast at 140. he was looking every bit the part of his "Vicious" moniker.

@HamAndEgger

"I think Canelo's only going to get better fighting tougher opponents more than him being a Victor Ortiz (who mentally or skill wise isn't in the same stratosphere as Canelo)."

I dont think anyone was saying that or knew that to be true until AFTER he ran into Maidana. He didnt look great against Nate Campell and looked winded, that was about the only major question mark it was about him. You just dont know much about fighters until they face different styles and opposition. I still dont feel we know enough about Canelo from the opponents he has faced so far. Beating up on Mosely and soon to be Cotto doesnt really prove much.

 

[Big Boss]

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[surv2syn]

I know I am not the only one who remembers GBP and HBO hyping Ortiz? How do you think he even got a shot at Floyd if he was no better than what you guys say he was? Because, he beat Berto and HBO and GBP tried to con everyone into thinking he had the potential that they had hyped him up to be. (Floyd will fight any Mexican with a title, you can bank on that because thats "easy money" so to speak.)

Fact about Ortiz is, he was the same fighter that once he got to a certain level of competition he couldnt go any further. Had he not lost to Lopez, he wouldve also fought Canelo. Its a game of hype. Canelo just hasnt met his Maidana yet.

 

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@synistr

What is with you continuously comparing Canelo to Ortiz.... the only thing similar about those two is their ages and what country they're from.. Ortiz was never overrated he was rated as an avg boxer at best ... nothing more than a southpaw tune up fight for Maynever.. no one I can recall looked at dude like he had next... maybe you did

I am not comparing their fighting style and ability, merely the hype surrounding them. It is a necessity for promoters and networks to hype particular fighters each year or else you wouldnt be talking about who Manny or Floyd would need to be fighting.

Jermain Taylor was the same way. Excellent athlete with power and good speed. HBO built him up. He shouldve officially lost at least one of the Hopkins fights and Wright got jobbed. After Taylor ran into the right style his career was never the same.

One thing Taylor and Ortiz have in common that wont bode well for Canelo is, they ALL have stamina issues.

You guys have to use your heads here. There always has to be the next big thing. Each region has to have their own next big thing as well. Whether its Mexico, The UK, Puerto Rico, Canada, Brazil, New Zealand, Sydney, China, etc...because they have to have someone to sell out crowds in their own regional market.

 

[HARLEM AL]

Yo yall realizie how many fights happening Sat? shyt is out of this world

Zab Judah vs. Danny Garcia
co-feature Peter Quillin vs. Fernando Guerrero

» Saturday April 27 2013 @ Club Atletico Velez Sarsfield, Distrito Federal, Argentina » TV: HBO Boxing Time: 8:30pm ET
Sergio Gabriel Martinez vs. Martin Murray
co-feature Luis Carlos Abregu vs. Antonin Decarie

Saturday April 27 2013 @ Motorpoint Arena, Sheffield, Yorkshire, UK » TV: Sky Sports Time: TBA
Julio Diaz vs. Amir Khan
co-feature Audley Harrison vs. Deontay Wilder

Saturday April 27 2013 @ Citizens Business Bank Arena, Ontario, California,
Chris Arreola vs. Bermane Stiverne
co-feature Tony Grano vs. Eric Molina


I'm looking forward to the Arreola vs. Bermane Stiverne... I hope its a throwback HW bout