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[surv2syn]

Lol at Canello looking like sweet pea


If Cotto ends up fighting the kid and goes back to the body attack he used to employ with the left hook Canello would be in trouble

see the thing about Cotto is, he has never had amazing stamina himself and he is kinda slow footed on offense. needs to get set to punch. I would have to favor Cotto over Cotto, at least 2-1.

 

[patscorpio]

how old are u? who the hell scores fights like that?

im sorry but this shyt here has me out right now

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Floyd would stand in front of canelo and hit him 5 times for every one punch canelo throws. He has a small puncher's chance against floyd but thats about it. Y'all are saying guerrero is going to give floyd trouble?? In what fashion?

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

see the thing about Cotto is, he has never had amazing stamina himself and he is kinda slow footed on offense. needs to get set to punch. I would have to favor Cotto over Cotto, at least 2-1.

Canelo fukks Cotto up.... once Cotto feels gingers power hell get on his bicycle N try to box like he always does when he's hurt....making himself tired N gassed even sooner....til he's a bloody mess taking a knee

 

[BlackBalled]

true, he beat a solid fighter, props for that. but the point he was making was, against a more accurate puncher, harder puncher, or both, he is gonna have his hands full.

trout wasnt trying to land he was just trying to throw it appeared. yeah, I know I seen the lil cute gif, but instead of looking at what Canelo was doing trying to be cute, look at Trout. activity is overrated if you arent landing. he was just doing a lot of wasted movement and punching.

is Canelo better than Kirkland or Lara? right now it appears so but that doesnt mean they wouldnt be able to beat him. Kirkland is chinny but he brings the heat and Lara is an excellent boxer with good accuracy...both could be a handful for Canelo. how does he stand up against those styles. Trout is pretty much a boxer, a damn good one but deficient in other areas.

Canelo didnt dominate Trout.

The point is that with a more accurate and a harder puncher it will be more difficult? No shyt. You can make that same statement for most fighters.

Trout had a difficulty to fight effectively against Alvarez, should we only discredit Trout for that or maybe give some credit to Alvarez as well?

But I don't think anyone in that weight class will be able to match Canelo, I can see Lara brining his A game as a genuine threat. Otherwise I can't see anyone stopping him, Kirkland? Not even worth mentioning.

 

[surv2syn]

Man, Trout won that fight clearly off of ring generalship. He out-boxed and out-worked Canelo for the majority of a lot rounds. I don't like to use the expose word a lot, but Canelo's stamina always been suspect and Trout really put it on full display during the fight. Canelo looked tired from all those body shots and looked just plain winded fighting in Berto type spurts for mad portions of a lot of the rounds. I couldn't see Canelo winning more than 4 or 5 rounds really.

With all that said, He's the biggest logical choice to face Floyd in Sept. The Manny fight is dead, Martinez is too big and realistically never had to happen, that really just leaves Canelo. Dude has a true following and sells tickets and has an exciting style. That fight can prolly do close to 2 mil ppv sales.

Garcia and his fukkery is prolly the 2nd most sellable fight after that tho. I wouldn't mind that fight, but he would really have to dominate Zab.

I wouldnt go as far to say Trout won the fight but it was a close fight. The KD carried the difference to me (although I didnt score the fight). Trout was never going to get a decision, regardless.

His ring generalship was great, I just didnt feel like he did enough. Really though, from what I saw, take away that KD and Trout deserved no less than a draw.

 

[NormanConnors]

in his first fight against someone his actual weight he
was gassed out by the fourth round
routinely had his hands down
and was barely throwing punches
canelo fights someone with more accurate punches than trout he's in trouble

Yep, add power to that as well.


Even with all that Trout had him hurt to the body and never did go back to it. I'm not sold on Canello being totally dominate against cats his own weight or higher yet.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Floyd would stand in front of canelo and hit him 5 times for every one punch canelo throws. He has a small puncher's chance against floyd but thats about it. Y'all are saying guerrero is going to give floyd trouble?? In what fashion?

Negro please

 

[surv2syn]

The point is that with a more accurate and a harder puncher it will be more difficult? No shyt. You can make that same statement for most fighters.

Trout had a difficulty to fight effectively against Alvarez, should we only discredit Trout for that or maybe give some credit to Alvarez as well?

But I don't think anyone in that weight class will be able to match Canelo, I can see Lara brining his A game as a genuine threat. Otherwise I can't see anyone stopping him, Kirkland? Not even worth mentioning.

crediting him for beating Trout is one thing....but using that shyt as a litmus test for Floyd or Martinez is....well....:udontknow:

that was more of what Trout wasnt doing, because Trout was boxing good, but he wasnt committing to his punches. throwing...but not trying to land with a lot of them. all we are saying is....there arent too many Trout's out there, Trout is an excellent boxer, but with this fight he showed that he doesnt commit enough to keep high level fighters off of him.

there was a difference between this fight at the Donaire fight. all credit has to be given to Rigo because he stopped Donaire from even THROWING. but when I guy like Trout is throwing just to throw and not to land, its more of an indictment of him as a fighter than what Canelo didnt allow him to do.

I give Canelo credit for beating a solid fighter and a wonderful boxer....anything beyond that is hypothesis.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

true, he beat a solid fighter, props for that. but the point he was making was, against a more accurate puncher, harder puncher, or both, he is gonna have his hands full.

trout wasnt trying to land he was just trying to throw it appeared. yeah, I know I seen the lil cute gif, but instead of looking at what Canelo was doing trying to be cute, look at Trout. activity is overrated if you arent landing. he was just doing a lot of wasted movement and punching.

is Canelo better than Kirkland or Lara? right now it appears so but that doesnt mean they wouldnt be able to beat him. Kirkland is chinny but he brings the heat and Lara is an excellent boxer with good accuracy...both could be a handful for Canelo. how does he stand up against those styles. Trout is pretty much a boxer, a damn good one but deficient in other areas.

Canelo didnt dominate Trout.

canelo would KO both lara and kirkland. especially kirkland...lol. that dude would maybe last 3 rounds before he's laid out in the middle of the ring surrounded by 20 people trying to bring him back to consciousness. only person beating canelo at 154 is sergio. and i'm not even sold on that mainly cause of the fact sergio might be so drained coming into that fight. but if he can still make 154 comfortably, I would take sergio in a clear victory. other than that, nobody there is fukkin with canelo.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

crediting him for beating Trout is one thing....but using that shyt as a litmus test for Floyd or Martinez is....well....:udontknow:

that was more of what Trout wasnt doing, because Trout was boxing good, but he wasnt committing to his punches. throwing...but not trying to land with a lot of them. all we are saying is....there arent too many Trout's out there, Trout is an excellent boxer, but with this fight he showed that he doesnt commit enough to keep high level fighters off of him.

there was a difference between this fight at the Donaire fight. all credit has to be given to Rigo because he stopped Donaire from even THROWING. but when I guy like Trout is throwing just to throw and not to land, its more of an indictment of him as a fighter than what Canelo didnt allow him to do.

I give Canelo credit for beating a solid fighter and a wonderful boxer....anything beyond that is hypothesis.

you ever think trout wasn't committing to his punches because he was worried about what canelo was giving back?....I mean, every punch canelo landed was damn near lifting trout off his feet.

 

[surv2syn]

Yep, add power to that as well.


Even with all that Trout had him hurt to the body and never did go back to it. I'm not sold on Canello being totally dominate against cats his own weight or higher yet.

me either. everyone gets defensive about it but this is the bullshyt in boxing. why does he deserve Floyd? or Serge for that matter. fighters look to cash out quickly because they know their careers may not be long ones.

I would like to see him against Kirkland, Lara, etc. Let's see him dominate them. (Doubt he would, he didnt dominate Trout.) Then we can truly praise him. Right now he is a highly marketable fighter who is being overhyped for the sake of putting on a major fight. You guys are comical sometimes. Like if Trout won...everybody wouldve been like I wanna see him and Floyd. NO! Trout was his first test. I need to see more before I start just anointing cats.

Is he the next Barrera? A guy with good boxing skill, IQ, power, but the ability to slug? (lets see him slug with Kirkland)

Is he the next Morales? A smart boxer with absolute fearlessness? (no, he backed off Trout after those bodyshots)

Is he another JMM? A technical wizard and 1st rate counterpunching ability? (he is a good counterpuncher over lazy jabs....lets see him counterpunch with a guy like Lara...lets not even get to FMJ yet)

I dont see what he has that stands out to make him this soon to be All Time Great. I see a Miguel Cotto type career at best....and that aint bad but I have to see more before I can even say he will achieve that level.

 

[surv2syn]

you ever think trout wasn't committing to his punches because he was worried about what canelo was giving back?....I mean, every punch canelo landed was damn near lifting trout off his feet.

how worried was he when he came back and basically won the round after he got KD?

both fighters showed each other a lot of respect, and rightfully so. Trout was just being lazy a lot of times, even after hurting Canelo to the body. There is not much of a gap between Trout and Canelo. Both good fighters. I dont see anything that makes Canelo the 2nd coming of Christ though.

 

[surv2syn]

canelo would KO both lara and kirkland. especially kirkland...lol. that dude would maybe last 3 rounds before he's laid out in the middle of the ring surrounded by 20 people trying to bring him back to consciousness. only person beating canelo at 154 is sergio. and i'm not even sold on that mainly cause of the fact sergio might be so drained coming into that fight. but if he can still make 154 comfortably, I would take sergio in a clear victory. other than that, nobody there is fukkin with canelo.

we likely will never get to see the possibility of that happening though. they will keep this kid safe and sound until he cashes out. I remember a couple of years ago people were hyping this guy name Victor Ortiz. I must admit he looked like a killer too. He still got his payday...but it doesnt take long for the hype to be exposed.

 

[surv2syn]

Canelo fukks Cotto up.... once Cotto feels gingers power hell get on his bicycle N try to box like he always does when he's hurt....making himself tired N gassed even sooner....til he's a bloody mess taking a knee

yeah, I said Cotto over Cotto, I meant Canelo over Cotto 2-1. Cotto has seen his best days. Cotto would be looking at a fighter who is now where he once was. On the rise and hungry. Cotto cant fukk with real JMW's anyway. I am not crazy enough to pick Cotto over Canelo.