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[phillycavsfan]

Canelo won this fight. I just had a chance to watch it. He is not a class above Trout. They are pretty close as fighters. Both are good, but neither has greatness written over them.

Trout is an excellent boxer, but he doesnt have the accuracy or power on his punches. He wastes punches and throws meaningless shots just to appear busy. Had he sat down on his punches and actually tried to LAND instead of just THROW...he couldve won this fight easily.

Canelo is a decent boxer, maybe better than given credit for. He is not a monster puncher but he commits to his shots, something that Trout doesnt do. Canelo was gassed, when he started doing that showboating, he was tired. He has too many gaps of inactivity to beat someone like FMJ. He is a good fighter, but not complete and not a monster....more like a scary movie that you heard about. You go in expecting to be scared out of your boots and come away feeling like...that wasnt that scary at all.

Decent fight between two decent fighters. Canelo would beat Cotto.

Floyd looking at Canelo like....

You lost me.

 

[BlackBalled]

in his first fight against someone his actual weight he
was gassed out by the fourth round
routinely had his hands down
and was barely throwing punches
canelo fights someone with more accurate punches than trout he's in trouble

He needs to work on stamina true, he had his hands down yet Trout did not really manage to capitalize on that, so what's your point? Despite all this, he beat a very solid fighter like Trout. He had a low punch output but at least he was making the punches he threw count... I don't see any light middleweight beating Alvarez at this time.

 

[surv2syn]

You lost me.

I dont know how I lost you. Trout is an excellent boxer but he lacks accuracy and power (commitment to shots). He can come forward or fight backing up. He has great lateral movement. He is pretty strong for a jmw as well. When I say box, he boxed Canelo well...just nothing on his shots to dissuade Canelo.

Canelo is a decent boxer. Not as well as Trout. Meaning he doesnt move as well and his defense is average. You think he is a great boxer? He doesnt have great lateral movement. He is not bad, but he would have a hard time cutting the ring off against Floyd. He is also not a great boxer due to his inability to stay active for a full course of a fight.

Just because Canelo won, doesnt mean he is a better boxer than Trout. Maybe thats where my statements confused you. He didnt outbox him. The difference in this fight was one guy landed the harder shots while one guy had cutesy defense but really didnt land anything meaningful.

Floyd may be smaller, but he is a better boxer than Trout who commits to his punches and lands at much better accuracy rate. Canelo has a punchers chance against Floyd...and I havent seen the type of power that Floyd would even have to worry about.

 

[surv2syn]

He needs to work on stamina true, he had his hands down yet Trout did not really manage to capitalize on that, so what's your point? Despite all this, he beat a very solid fighter like Trout. He had a low punch output but at least he was making the punches he threw count... I don't see any light middleweight beating Alvarez at this time.

true, he beat a solid fighter, props for that. but the point he was making was, against a more accurate puncher, harder puncher, or both, he is gonna have his hands full.

trout wasnt trying to land he was just trying to throw it appeared. yeah, I know I seen the lil cute gif, but instead of looking at what Canelo was doing trying to be cute, look at Trout. activity is overrated if you arent landing. he was just doing a lot of wasted movement and punching.

is Canelo better than Kirkland or Lara? right now it appears so but that doesnt mean they wouldnt be able to beat him. Kirkland is chinny but he brings the heat and Lara is an excellent boxer with good accuracy...both could be a handful for Canelo. how does he stand up against those styles. Trout is pretty much a boxer, a damn good one but deficient in other areas.

Canelo didnt dominate Trout.

 

[RedBull]

Yep. People are expecting 27 year old Floyd to show up or something. He showed a lot of fatigue against Cotto his damn self for basically the first time in his career, and is considerably less mobile and speedy than he used to be. Folks are saying Floyd schools Canelo, I don't see that at all. This immobile incarnation of Mayweather isn't schooling a man who's going to outweigh him by 20+, younger, stronger, and with the power and skill of Saul at this point in his career. Floyd might beat him, but he wouldn't dominate him or starch him or some shyt. People also underestimate Canelo's skill level for some reason. Is he prime Pep? No. But he's not David Telesco or some shyt either. The stamina, or lack thereof, wouldn't be as big an issue for Alvarez because Floyd fights at a much more deliberate pace than Trout, and is stationary now.

I think this fight gets made or washes out depending on how Floyd looks against Guerrero. I expect Floyd to win, but I do think Guerrero is going to do "surprisingly" well in this fight. I expect Floyd to spend a lot of time with his back against the ropes -- looking to catch Guerrero with those uppercuts that Berto was hitting him with, and for Guerrero to take the punches well. I'll just say this, after this fight, I expect Ellerbe and them to be less gung-ho about a Canelo fight; and if it does get made, it's a pick 'em. This could easily be one of those fights in boxing history where a young guy thoroughly supplants an older and aging fighter. One of those fights people look back in retrospect years from now and wonder, "Why did people even think the older guy was going to lick the youngin'?

Great post. As much as I like Floyd, he isnt a spring chicken and this fight with Ghost will be dangerous for him and IF he dominates Ghost, I'd be Floyd reflexes are getting slower (he's supposed to he's getting older) so it'll be an interesting 30 months and if he goes undefeated that would be historic because we're going to see a Floyd that will stand and trade with his opponents, which I believe is a huge mistake......or is it?

 

[phillycavsfan]

I don't think anyone expected Canelo to dominate Trout. Trout's a very good fighter.

Canelo's not great yet, but someday he likely will be. It's remarkable that he's only 22.

 

[RedBull]

I don't think anyone expected Canelo to dominate Trout. Trout's a very good fighter.

Canelo's not great yet, but someday he likely will be. It's remarkable that he's only 22.

He's working his way into being a legend.....22 years old.

 

[merklman]

how old are u? who the hell scores fights like that?

 

[surv2syn]

Yep. People are expecting 27 year old Floyd to show up or something. He showed a lot of fatigue against Cotto his damn self for basically the first time in his career, and is considerably less mobile and speedy than he used to be. Folks are saying Floyd schools Canelo, I don't see that at all. This immobile incarnation of Mayweather isn't schooling a man who's going to outweigh him by 20+, younger, stronger, and with the power and skill of Saul at this point in his career. Floyd might beat him, but he wouldn't dominate him or starch him or some shyt. People also underestimate Canelo's skill level for some reason. Is he prime Pep? No. But he's not David Telesco or some shyt either. The stamina, or lack thereof, wouldn't be as big an issue for Alvarez because Floyd fights at a much more deliberate pace than Trout, and is stationary now.

ok, lets look at those two statements.

everybody has been telling floyd for a long time that he isnt exciting. how long did we have to hear the comparisons between him and ?
they always compare what Manny did to Cotto, Hatton, DLH, and what Floyd did with them. so one thing Floyd has done was engage in some entertaining fights when the threat wasnt as great.

the worst I have seen floyd was Augustus and Cotto. are you telling me those are the best fighters he has faced? the funny thing is Augustus put probably the worst beating on Floyd he ever had as a pro. Floyd didnt play with Zab. He didnt play with Ortiz. I dont think he is gonna play around with Guerrero either.

He took a few chances against fighters like JMM to at least justify making the fight.

floyd would not play with Canelo. it would be a Picasso. trust me, if Floyd doesnt think he could easily beat this kid, he wont fight him. now you may prove me wrong if he decides not to.

I dont think people are underestimating Canelo, but we havent seen him in clear and present danger yet.

Trout is a good fighter and he used excellent ring generalship as someone mentioned previously. He just wasnt giving Canelo much to worry about in terms of return fire.

Floyd is a different animal when it comes to skill. He would really exploit Canelo. If I am wrong I am wrong and will gladly admit it. But Floyd will keep this guy so off balance with his jab. He is gonna hit him and turn him. He is going to keep him turning. Trout didnt even have his feet in the right position...thats why he got put down with the overhand right after laying that lazy jab out there. Floyd will pot shot him.

No one, I repeat no one can give Floyd time to think in the ring or you are DONE. You have to smother him and overtax his defense...but to do that you have to get close...and thats like walking into a minefield. If you do get that close, you need some serious power.

Canelo is good, but he aint that good.

 

[surv2syn]

I don't think anyone expected Canelo to dominate Trout. Trout's a very good fighter.

Canelo's not great yet, but someday he likely will be. It's remarkable that he's only 22.

I dont see what yall see. What is different from the hype surrounding him and that of Jermain Taylor? Kelly Pavlik? those guys had that same hype and they are both virtually retired. We can debate what Canelo has that they dont and vise versa but I know hype when I see it and he is it. He will be just like those guys in a few years....rich but viewed as overhyped product. Courtesy of the HBO hype machine who starts all this mess.

 

[HARLEM AL]

I don't think anyone expected Canelo to dominate Trout. Trout's a very good fighter.

Canelo's not great yet, but someday he likely will be. It's remarkable that he's only 22.

I've seen better at 22. Yall nikkas need to stop it.

 

[RedBull]

if Floyd doesnt think he could easily beat this kid, he wont fight him.

This line speaks volumes. It's obvious that you're a fan of Floyd but for you to say this is you're bigging him up and putting him down at the same time.

 

[phillycavsfan]

I've seen better at 22. Yall nikkas need to stop it.

I have too. That don't mean the kid doesn't have potential to be great.

 

[surv2syn]

This line speaks volumes. It's obvious that you're a fan of Floyd but for you to say this is you're bigging him up and putting him down at the same time.

you are correct. I am a Floyd fan...not Stan. the reason why I did not contradict my stance is....I can be a fan and be objective at the same time.

if Floyd fights him and wins, I am right. If he doesnt fight him, and he is the biggest fight out there, I will gladly admit I am wrong.

Not putting him down, just spittin truth from a business perspective.

 

[surv2syn]

I have too. That don't mean the kid doesn't have potential to be great.

what kind of great? Oscar great? SRL great? Mayweather great? No. If you consider Cotto great (and I wont argue if you do) thats about as high as his ceiling will get. as for all this hype about Canelo facing Mayweather...I had to make a new smiley.....