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Lol at the ibf acting like Canelo really cares about their belt and is scared to get stripped of it
THat hemp going to your head; the move for Canelo is he's beyond belts the only one he'll carry is the WBC with pride; GGG wants a Canelo fight we'll get a belt; better yet if you want Canelo aggressively target his mandatories....
The boy cycling he has no reason for those random cleanup surgery's, and no cash cow is missing the Mexican holiday in Sept to fight in Nov Dec.......
Someone mustve sneaked some real weed into your bag of k2
Ibf gna strip canelo for randomchenko, randomchenko gonna fight triple g for the belt on mexican independence day and then fight 3 will be on cinco de mayo
Provided canelo doesnt move up, but triple g prolly would too....as he is a clout chaser
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Monster Squad if he went as hard as this cat is going he'd be outta here.
Imo easily one of the hardest punching little men of all time considering how he moving up and knocking guys out
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Is that another pro boxer?
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
nah ordinary guy. He look like he working on defense lol
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Good reporting by Coppinger
DALLAS — Dillian Whyte’s wait was nearing its end.
After being forced to fight without a title shot, despite being in the top position for over 600 days, the WBC sanctioned his bout with Oscar Rivas for its interim heavyweight title and stipulated that the winner would receive a title shot next year.
Whyte survived a rocky moment — a ninth-round knockdown — to edge Rivas on points in an action-packed brawl Saturday at the O2 in London. It seemed Whyte, 31, could now simply wait to see who would emerge victorious in 2020 rematch between WBC heavyweight titleholder Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.
Then, the news hit. BoxingScene reported this week that Whyte tested positive for the banned substances epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone, byproducts of the anabolic steroid dianabol. The report indicated the positive test was known in advance of the fight, leaving many questions.
Whyte’s A sample revealed the metabolites; his B sample hasn’t been tested yet. The collection date of the samples isn’t known.
One metabolite — 17-epimithandienone —was evident in Whyte’s system at a measurement of 0.9 ng/ml (nanograms per milliliter), an industry source told The Athletic. That’s nine-tenths of one part per trillion, signifying an ultra-trace amount of the substance.
Another metabolite — 6B-hydroxymethandienone — was found at a measurement of 3.0 ng/ml, per source, which equals three parts per trillion, also considered an ultra-trace amount.
Eddie Hearn, Whyte’s longtime promoter, told The Athletic on Thursday at the Maurice Hooker-Jose Ramirez news conference that the heavyweight contender was cleared by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (UKAD) and by the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) to compete during a hearing that took place the week of the fight. (Hearn declined to reveal the date of the hearing.)
Rivas and his team, which include promoter Yvon Michel, were never notified that there was an adverse finding in Whyte’s system nor were they aware of a hearing prior to publication of the report, Rivas’ cutman, Russ Anber, told The Athletic. “Up to this moment, nobody on the concerned parties has confirmed or denied to us this information,” the Canadian promoter tweeted Thursday. Michel didn’t return a text message or phone call seeking comment.
Hearn felt no obligation to report the finding after Whyte was cleared to fight at the hearing, where he was questioned and provided information.
“Whether you agree with the decision or don’t agree with the decision (to let Whyte fight), they’re the governing body,” Hearn said. “If you have an issue with that, speak to them.”
Whyte and Rivas also underwent advanced testing conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association as mandated by the WBC. Those results haven’t been revealed yet, though Hearn claims Whyte passed a pre-fight test conducted by VADA. When an athlete flunks a VADA test, the organization notifies all parties involved.
This isn’t the first time a fight was allowed to go through despite a positive result that was known in advance. Hall of Famer Erik Morales failed a drug test after clenbuterol was found in his system, but his 2012 rematch with Danny Garcia proceeded.
“Let the truth come out before you make decisions based on a BoxingScene article,” Hearn pleaded. “What you need to know is this was heard prior to the fight, it wasn’t swept under the carpet. There was a hearing, he was cleared and the fight took place.”
This isn’t the first time Whyte (26-1, 18 KOs) is under the microscope related to performance-enhancing substances. He tested positive for methylhexaneamine after a fourth-round knockout of Sandor Balogh in October 2012 and was subsequently suspended two years.
What punishment Whyte faces if any, moving forward remains up in the air and is in the hands of UKAD and the BBBoC.
“I am so disappointed with the rubbish that has been said about me over the last few days,” Whyte said Friday in a statement released on his social media platforms. “I have lawyers dealing with it and I have been told that I can’t talk about it for good legal reasons. I was cleared to fight and I won that fight fair and square.”
Even in trace amounts, two metabolites were found in Whyte’s system. The BBBoC observes the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (WADA) rules — the organization that oversees drug law for the Olympic Games — which state that an athlete is responsible for what enters its body regardless of how it got there under Rule 10.
Victor Conte, who founded the infamous Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO) and served time in prison for supplying designer performance-enhancing substances to world-class athletes, says the evidence of multiple metabolites in Whyte’s system confirms he was exposed to a drug.
Now, the question that remains is just how those Dianabol metabolites entered Whyte’s system.
“If he was unwittingly exposed to (a PED) with no intent to cheat, he’ll have to pay the price,” Conte, who now supervises the nutrition of many top boxers under his Bay Area-based SNAC brand, told The Athletic during a phone interview Friday. Conte says he doesn’t like the rule since it allows for the possibility that someone is penalized who did nothing wrong, “and that’s not right.”
A positive test under the WADA code is qualitative rather than quantitative, Conte observed. “You’re guilty until proven innocent; you must provide evidence,” he said.
Whyte hasn’t shined any light yet on how the substances entered his body. He didn’t return a text message seeking comment.
The BBBoC released the following non-statement in response to the events: “With regard to the above, United Kingdom Anti-Doping undertake all anti-doping procedures on behalf of the British Boxing Board of Control and any subsequent findings, decisions, suspensions and sanctions are upheld by the British Boxing Board of Control in line with United Kingdom Anti-Doping.
“No further comment will be made at this time.”
The drug test isn’t the only controversy swirling around Whyte-Rivas. There’s also an issue related to the gloves worn by Whyte, according to Anber, who owns the boxing glove manufacturer Rival Boxing.
It’s common practice for the fighters to select their fight-night boxing gloves —10 ounces for heavyweights — during a rules meeting where each team can inspect the equipment. Rivas’ team approved Whyte’s selection of Di Nardo gloves, an Italian brand, during Friday’s rules meeting. Rivas’ Rival gloves were inspected and approved by the Whyte side.
Whyte’s hand-wraps were inspected in the dressing room at the O2 Arena the night of the fight. During the hand-wrapping, Rivas’ cornerman, Sam Decarie, noticed a different pair of gloves laying on a nearby table. They weren’t the same Di Nardo gloves Anber inspected one day prior at the rules meeting, but a different pair manufactured by the English-brand Fly.
Fifteen minutes before Rivas was scheduled to make his ring walk, a heated argument broke out in the hallway by the dressing rooms.
Anber protested Whyte’s use of the uninspected gloves, and when he did, an official from the BBBoC allowed the veteran cornerman to examine what he called a replica model of the actual Fly gloves. Anber, who wrapped Rivas’ hands and also wraps the hands of fighters like Vasiliy Lomachenko and Aleksandr Usyk, insisted he be allowed to inspect the gloves Whyte would be punching his charge with.
“It’s too late, they’re already on his hands,” the official replied.
“Take them off,” Anber said angrily. “I want to see the ones he’s wearing.”
Frank Smith and Paul Ready, executives for Hearn’s Matchroom Sport, were part of the discussion as well. The official explained to Anber that since the promoter approved new gloves (Hearn added that the WBC and the BBBoC both inspected the gloves), it was allowed.
Rivas’ team never was able to weigh the gloves or touch them. “We have no idea what was on his hands,” Anber said. He wondered why there was even glove selection the day before given the events that transpired. After all, the objective is for each side to feel comfortable that the gloves aren’t compromised in any way.
“First, we’d put them on and make sure they’re all padded,” Anber said. “That’s obviously most important. We have enough experience to know what a glove is supposed to feel like. And I’m not implying that there were any improprieties with the glove. We just don’t know because we were never able to see the gloves.
“I’ll get better with time, but I’ve only been doing this 40 years. It’s not the first time I’ve seen gamesmanship, but it’s the first time I’ve seen a commission not want to be transparent to both sides. I’ve never seen anything like this.”
Michel fired off an email to both WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman and the organization’s attorney, Alberto Leon, explaining the situation in conjunction with an official protest. Lamont Jones, a representative for Rivas’ advisor, Al Haymon, was copied on the email.
Anber’s position was that Rivas shouldn’t come out of the dressing room until the situation was rectified. Marc Ramsay, Rivas’ head trainer, decided they would go through with the fight. Anber says they weren’t allowed to inspect the gloves after the fight, either. He pointed out that the Texas commission, for example, holds gloves for 30 days after.
Smith explained to The Athletic that Whyte didn’t participate at glove selection. Rather, a team member signed off on the Di Nardo gloves for him. When Whyte arrived at the O2 Arena, Smith said, the heavyweight tried on the gloves selected for him and “there was a problem with them.” The concern was raised with the BBBoC, and Whyte then selected Fly gloves approved by the commission. Those gloves were sealed, according to Smith.
The same Fly gloves were offered to Rivas, but he chose to stick with the Rival ones.
“It wasn’t up to us whether gloves were approved, it was up to the local commission,” Smith said.
Anber doesn’t blame Whyte nor Hearn for the ensuing gloves disagreement, but rather lays the controversy at the feet of the BBBoC.
“This is a cardinal sin. This is No. 1 in the sin category,” Anber said of the issue with the gloves. “The drug test, the gloves and our interests not being protected by BBBoC, this stinks to high heaven. … The fact that, as a governing body, you allow a last-minute gloves change, it’s the biggest massive breach of security prior to the fight. …
“You expect to be treated well by a prestigious board. I asked them, ‘Would you have accepted this if 15 minutes before (Matchroom fighter) Anthony Joshua was to step out to Madison Square Garden, you found out his opponent had changed gloves? Are you kidding me?’
“They laughed at me like I was an idiot. … The gloves is even worse than the PEDs, and both have fallen into the lap of the British Board. They didn’t notify us about the PEDs and then they had an inspector in the room put on gloves without us seeing them. What does that say about their competence?”
— Lance Pugmire contributed to this report.
(Top photo: Dan Istitene / Getty Images)
DALLAS — Dillian Whyte’s wait was nearing its end.
After being forced to fight without a title shot, despite being in the top position for over 600 days, the WBC sanctioned his bout with Oscar Rivas for its interim heavyweight title and stipulated that the winner would receive a title shot next year.
Whyte survived a rocky moment — a ninth-round knockdown — to edge Rivas on points in an action-packed brawl Saturday at the O2 in London. It seemed Whyte, 31, could now simply wait to see who would emerge victorious in 2020 rematch between WBC heavyweight titleholder Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury.
Then, the news hit. BoxingScene reported this week that Whyte tested positive for the banned substances epimethandienone and hydroxymethandienone, byproducts of the anabolic steroid dianabol. The report indicated the positive test was known in advance of the fight, leaving many questions.
Whyte’s A sample revealed the metabolites; his B sample hasn’t been tested yet. The collection date of the samples isn’t known.
One metabolite — 17-epimithandienone —was evident in Whyte’s system at a measurement of 0.9 ng/ml (nanograms per milliliter), an industry source told The Athletic. That’s nine-tenths of one part per trillion, signifying an ultra-trace amount of the substance.
Another metabolite — 6B-hydroxymethandienone — was found at a measurement of 3.0 ng/ml, per source, which equals three parts per trillion, also considered an ultra-trace amount.
Eddie Hearn, Whyte’s longtime promoter, told The Athletic on Thursday at the Maurice Hooker-Jose Ramirez news conference that the heavyweight contender was cleared by United Kingdom Anti-Doping (UKAD) and by the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) to compete during a hearing that took place the week of the fight. (Hearn declined to reveal the date of the hearing.)
Rivas and his team, which include promoter Yvon Michel, were never notified that there was an adverse finding in Whyte’s system nor were they aware of a hearing prior to publication of the report, Rivas’ cutman, Russ Anber, told The Athletic. “Up to this moment, nobody on the concerned parties has confirmed or denied to us this information,” the Canadian promoter tweeted Thursday. Michel didn’t return a text message or phone call seeking comment.
Hearn felt no obligation to report the finding after Whyte was cleared to fight at the hearing, where he was questioned and provided information.
“Whether you agree with the decision or don’t agree with the decision (to let Whyte fight), they’re the governing body,” Hearn said. “If you have an issue with that, speak to them.”
Whyte and Rivas also underwent advanced testing conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association as mandated by the WBC. Those results haven’t been revealed yet, though Hearn claims Whyte passed a pre-fight test conducted by VADA. When an athlete flunks a VADA test, the organization notifies all parties involved.
This isn’t the first time a fight was allowed to go through despite a positive result that was known in advance. Hall of Famer Erik Morales failed a drug test after clenbuterol was found in his system, but his 2012 rematch with Danny Garcia proceeded.
“Let the truth come out before you make decisions based on a BoxingScene article,” Hearn pleaded. “What you need to know is this was heard prior to the fight, it wasn’t swept under the carpet. There was a hearing, he was cleared and the fight took place.”
This isn’t the first time Whyte (26-1, 18 KOs) is under the microscope related to performance-enhancing substances. He tested positive for methylhexaneamine after a fourth-round knockout of Sandor Balogh in October 2012 and was subsequently suspended two years.
What punishment Whyte faces if any, moving forward remains up in the air and is in the hands of UKAD and the BBBoC.
“I am so disappointed with the rubbish that has been said about me over the last few days,” Whyte said Friday in a statement released on his social media platforms. “I have lawyers dealing with it and I have been told that I can’t talk about it for good legal reasons. I was cleared to fight and I won that fight fair and square.”
Even in trace amounts, two metabolites were found in Whyte’s system. The BBBoC observes the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (WADA) rules — the organization that oversees drug law for the Olympic Games — which state that an athlete is responsible for what enters its body regardless of how it got there under Rule 10.
Victor Conte, who founded the infamous Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO) and served time in prison for supplying designer performance-enhancing substances to world-class athletes, says the evidence of multiple metabolites in Whyte’s system confirms he was exposed to a drug.
Now, the question that remains is just how those Dianabol metabolites entered Whyte’s system.
“If he was unwittingly exposed to (a PED) with no intent to cheat, he’ll have to pay the price,” Conte, who now supervises the nutrition of many top boxers under his Bay Area-based SNAC brand, told The Athletic during a phone interview Friday. Conte says he doesn’t like the rule since it allows for the possibility that someone is penalized who did nothing wrong, “and that’s not right.”
A positive test under the WADA code is qualitative rather than quantitative, Conte observed. “You’re guilty until proven innocent; you must provide evidence,” he said.
Whyte hasn’t shined any light yet on how the substances entered his body. He didn’t return a text message seeking comment.
The BBBoC released the following non-statement in response to the events: “With regard to the above, United Kingdom Anti-Doping undertake all anti-doping procedures on behalf of the British Boxing Board of Control and any subsequent findings, decisions, suspensions and sanctions are upheld by the British Boxing Board of Control in line with United Kingdom Anti-Doping.
“No further comment will be made at this time.”
The drug test isn’t the only controversy swirling around Whyte-Rivas. There’s also an issue related to the gloves worn by Whyte, according to Anber, who owns the boxing glove manufacturer Rival Boxing.
It’s common practice for the fighters to select their fight-night boxing gloves —10 ounces for heavyweights — during a rules meeting where each team can inspect the equipment. Rivas’ team approved Whyte’s selection of Di Nardo gloves, an Italian brand, during Friday’s rules meeting. Rivas’ Rival gloves were inspected and approved by the Whyte side.
Whyte’s hand-wraps were inspected in the dressing room at the O2 Arena the night of the fight. During the hand-wrapping, Rivas’ cornerman, Sam Decarie, noticed a different pair of gloves laying on a nearby table. They weren’t the same Di Nardo gloves Anber inspected one day prior at the rules meeting, but a different pair manufactured by the English-brand Fly.
Fifteen minutes before Rivas was scheduled to make his ring walk, a heated argument broke out in the hallway by the dressing rooms.
Anber protested Whyte’s use of the uninspected gloves, and when he did, an official from the BBBoC allowed the veteran cornerman to examine what he called a replica model of the actual Fly gloves. Anber, who wrapped Rivas’ hands and also wraps the hands of fighters like Vasiliy Lomachenko and Aleksandr Usyk, insisted he be allowed to inspect the gloves Whyte would be punching his charge with.
“It’s too late, they’re already on his hands,” the official replied.
“Take them off,” Anber said angrily. “I want to see the ones he’s wearing.”
Frank Smith and Paul Ready, executives for Hearn’s Matchroom Sport, were part of the discussion as well. The official explained to Anber that since the promoter approved new gloves (Hearn added that the WBC and the BBBoC both inspected the gloves), it was allowed.
Rivas’ team never was able to weigh the gloves or touch them. “We have no idea what was on his hands,” Anber said. He wondered why there was even glove selection the day before given the events that transpired. After all, the objective is for each side to feel comfortable that the gloves aren’t compromised in any way.
“First, we’d put them on and make sure they’re all padded,” Anber said. “That’s obviously most important. We have enough experience to know what a glove is supposed to feel like. And I’m not implying that there were any improprieties with the glove. We just don’t know because we were never able to see the gloves.
“I’ll get better with time, but I’ve only been doing this 40 years. It’s not the first time I’ve seen gamesmanship, but it’s the first time I’ve seen a commission not want to be transparent to both sides. I’ve never seen anything like this.”
Michel fired off an email to both WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman and the organization’s attorney, Alberto Leon, explaining the situation in conjunction with an official protest. Lamont Jones, a representative for Rivas’ advisor, Al Haymon, was copied on the email.
Anber’s position was that Rivas shouldn’t come out of the dressing room until the situation was rectified. Marc Ramsay, Rivas’ head trainer, decided they would go through with the fight. Anber says they weren’t allowed to inspect the gloves after the fight, either. He pointed out that the Texas commission, for example, holds gloves for 30 days after.
Smith explained to The Athletic that Whyte didn’t participate at glove selection. Rather, a team member signed off on the Di Nardo gloves for him. When Whyte arrived at the O2 Arena, Smith said, the heavyweight tried on the gloves selected for him and “there was a problem with them.” The concern was raised with the BBBoC, and Whyte then selected Fly gloves approved by the commission. Those gloves were sealed, according to Smith.
The same Fly gloves were offered to Rivas, but he chose to stick with the Rival ones.
“It wasn’t up to us whether gloves were approved, it was up to the local commission,” Smith said.
Anber doesn’t blame Whyte nor Hearn for the ensuing gloves disagreement, but rather lays the controversy at the feet of the BBBoC.
“This is a cardinal sin. This is No. 1 in the sin category,” Anber said of the issue with the gloves. “The drug test, the gloves and our interests not being protected by BBBoC, this stinks to high heaven. … The fact that, as a governing body, you allow a last-minute gloves change, it’s the biggest massive breach of security prior to the fight. …
“You expect to be treated well by a prestigious board. I asked them, ‘Would you have accepted this if 15 minutes before (Matchroom fighter) Anthony Joshua was to step out to Madison Square Garden, you found out his opponent had changed gloves? Are you kidding me?’
“They laughed at me like I was an idiot. … The gloves is even worse than the PEDs, and both have fallen into the lap of the British Board. They didn’t notify us about the PEDs and then they had an inspector in the room put on gloves without us seeing them. What does that say about their competence?”
— Lance Pugmire contributed to this report.
(Top photo: Dan Istitene / Getty Images)
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They wouldn’t dared to try the Mexican Hero :smugjccjr:
They wouldn’t dared to try the Mexican Hero :smugjccjr:
Didnt whores rob Jr after his fight with canelo? Lol
Sr though is a no-no... within the week the situation will be corrected...I'm positive lol