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[mr. smoke weed]

shyt Wlad lost his zero in his 24th fight to Ross Purrity, a rugged multiple loss journeyman in his second year as a pro and continued on....Femi can still correct his wrongs

Not with the people he’s with now. Also he doesn’t fight enough. 9 month layoff after Povetkin? Why?!

 

[mr. smoke weed]

That’s what I’m saying.

I’ve been reading respectable posters saying he was a hype job.

Some even saying Ruiz is a bum.

This place is letting me down.

The thing is some of us have been saying that about Joshua literally for years

 

[patscorpio]

Not with the people he’s with now. Also he doesn’t fight enough. 9 month layoff after Povetkin? Why?!

im not on his team....i have no idea why he took 9 months off...but fighters have setbacks all the time...its up to them to right their wrongs and figure out how to do it

 

[mr. smoke weed]

im not on his team....i have no idea why he took 9 months off...but fighters have setbacks all the time...its up to them to right their wrongs and figure out how to do it

I wasn’t asking you brotha Scorpio more like a rhetorical ‘why’?

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

I’m looking at it from an experience standpoint.

Despite being on top of the division, he’s actually still developing. He’s only been a professional for 6 years.

Wlad lost to Corrie Sanders in surprise, his 6th year as a pro.

We’re in an era when these guys can get a title and still need to develop.

That Corrie Sanders upset was far bigger than Joshua's upset. I watched that fight live my sophomore year of college. Corrie was no where near as good as Ruiz.

Anyways I think the media may be overreacting. He wins a rematch by KO and his buzz goes back up imo

 

[The axe murderer]

Never seen a fighter have so many rumors of him getting knocked out in sparring
Joey Dawejko knocked out Anthony Joshua cold in lead up to Ruiz bout
Hearing that Anthony Joshua got knocked spark out by Agit Kabayel in sparring. - Page 2 - Boxing Forum

Boxing news: How Daniel Dubois recalled ‘KNOCKING OUT’ Anthony Joshua and hinted at fight

David Price 'knocked out' Anthony Joshua in sparring






even if half are true its not good for his health to get dropped that much. He need to recollect himself and think before rushing into a ruiz rematch

 

[GzUp]

Never seen a fighter have so many rumors of him getting knocked out in sparring
Joey Dawejko knocked out Anthony Joshua cold in lead up to Ruiz bout
Hearing that Anthony Joshua got knocked spark out by Agit Kabayel in sparring. - Page 2 - Boxing Forum

Boxing news: How Daniel Dubois recalled ‘KNOCKING OUT’ Anthony Joshua and hinted at fight

David Price 'knocked out' Anthony Joshua in sparring






even if half are true its not good for his health to get dropped that much. He need to recollect himself and think before rushing into a ruiz rematch

Maybe that wlad fight did something to him

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

That Corrie Sanders upset was far bigger than Joshua's upset. I watched that fight live my sophomore year of college. Corrie was no where near as good as Ruiz.

Anyways I think the media may be overreacting. He wins a rematch by KO and his buzz goes back up imo

I think the Wlad upset was the worse ass whupping of the two, but Joshua was the bigger upset. Dude was undefeated with 3 belts. Wlad was en route to becoming the man. Joshua was pretty much the man already.

Sanders might not have the amateur pedigree Ruiz has, but he was ever bit as dangerous. Dude was a big 6'4 southpaw that had quick hands with good power that punched in combinations. Ruiz was more dedicated to his career so he had the higher ceiling, while Sanders was a part timer that made for exciting moments.

I do agree that Joshua can bounce back if he wins the rematch by KO. I would look at it the same way Punisher avenged the Quintana loss. nikka had an off night and rectified that shyt.

 

[malbaker86]

I’m looking at it from an experience standpoint.

Despite being on top of the division, he’s actually still developing. He’s only been a professional for 6 years.

Wlad lost to Corrie Sanders in surprise, his 6th year as a pro.

We’re in an era when these guys can get a title and still need to develop.

Yea well Vlad learned from his losses via actually being VERY active as a fighter. Fought EIGHT times in 98 before losing his 9th fight of that year to Purity. He had 4 fights from 02-03 before the Saunders loss, then fought two more times that same year in 03 before losing early in 04 to Brewster.

These fighters and promoters arent built like that anymore. Would surprise me if AJ ran it back this year with anybody.

 

[theflyest]

I think the Wlad upset was the worse ass whupping of the two, but Joshua was the bigger upset. Dude was undefeated with 3 belts. Wlad was en route to becoming the man. Joshua was pretty much the man already.

Sanders might not have the amateur pedigree Ruiz has, but he was ever bit as dangerous. Dude was a big 6'4 southpaw that had quick hands with good power that punched in combinations. Ruiz was more dedicated to his career so he had the higher ceiling, while Sanders was a part timer that made for exciting moments.

I do agree that Joshua can bounce back if he wins the rematch by KO. I would look at it the same way Punisher avenged the Quintana loss. nikka had an off night and rectified that shyt.

Comes down to your point of view of the fighters. Many (myself included) believe the 2003 Wlad with 1 loss is a better fighter than the 2019 AJ, despite AJ having more status. You're obviously a hardcore boxing fan, so something such as a few titles shouldn't really cloud your judgement.

Wlad's offensive skills were just nasty.

Lol @ Paul vs Quintana. I don't think that was an off night,. In fact, he probably would have lost another UD if he didn't get the quick KO. Quintana/Martinez/Lara were terrible matchups for him.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

I think the Wlad upset was the worse ass whupping of the two, but Joshua was the bigger upset. Dude was undefeated with 3 belts. Wlad was en route to becoming the man. Joshua was pretty much the man already.

Sanders might not have the amateur pedigree Ruiz has, but he was ever bit as dangerous. Dude was a big 6'4 southpaw that had quick hands with good power that punched in combinations. Ruiz was more dedicated to his career so he had the higher ceiling, while Sanders was a part timer that made for exciting moments.

I do agree that Joshua can bounce back if he wins the rematch by KO. I would look at it the same way Punisher avenged the Quintana loss. nikka had an off night and rectified that shyt.

I don't think sanders has the skills this kid Ruiz has but I'll give you that Joshua is already the man. They were around the same points in their career, I believe, only Joshua had 4 belts.

Anyways Joshua won't ever be worth what he was, especially because he hasn't fought his rival. Had this came after a victorious Wilder fight then this wouldn't mean as much and his stock wouldn't fall. I doubt Joshua and Wilder fight for another year or 2 now with this loss. He will have to rebuild his stock

 

[theflyest]

I don't think sanders has the skills this kid Ruiz has but I'll give you that Joshua is already the man. They were around the same points in their career, I believe, only Joshua had 4 belts.

Anyways Joshua won't ever be worth what he was, especially because he hasn't fought his rival. Had this came after a victorious Wilder fight then this wouldn't mean as much and his stock wouldn't fall. I doubt Joshua and Wilder fight for another year or 2 now with this loss. He will have to rebuild his stock

We don’t count IBO

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Comes down to your point of view of the fighters. Many (myself included) believe the 2003 Wlad with 1 loss is a better fighter than the 2019 AJ, despite AJ having more status. You're obviously a hardcore boxing fan, so something such as a few titles shouldn't really cloud your judgement.

Wlad's offensive skills were just nasty.

Lol @ Paul vs Quintana. I don't think that was an off night,. In fact, he probably would have lost another UD if he didn't get the quick KO. Quintana/Martinez/Lara were terrible matchups for him.

2003 Wlad was definitely a better boxer than 2019 Joshua, but if we talking stature in the sport than its Joshua, which was my whole point about it being the bigger upset. The titles don't cloud my judgement on this at all. Wlad back then was a beast and to see him get beat around the ring like a crackhead asking for a freebie was shocking especially since Wlad was right on the cusp of really being that dude.

but, Joshua out hear making rap mogul money per fight and is the top draw in the sport selling out arenas in other countries. We all knew Ruiz was better than Miller and he'd give it a decent go, but nobody thought he take AJ's best and give it right back 4x harder. That shyt was a bigger shock to me than Wlad getting sparked. We just seen Joshua make adjustments and win fights against top dudes. He couldn't do it this time and it wasn't like he was fighting a Wilder or Fury either.

Punisher was still competitive with Quintana and still took like 4 rounds from him. Paul was getting outboxed, but he also didn't seem to have that extra pep in his step. Dude was a lil sluggish imo. Yeah his boxing got exposed a lil, but he really did seem to have an off night to me. Next fight he came in serious on ko his ass. The fact that Punisher still takes rounds from these dudes who are bad match ups for him show his level. Hell, at least them dudes were all world class too. This aint Leo Santa Cruz struggling on that MayPac undercard level of bad match ups

 

[theflyest]

2003 Wlad was definitely a better boxer than 2019 Joshua, but if we talking stature in the sport than its Joshua, which was my whole point about it being the bigger upset. The titles don't cloud my judgement on this at all. Wlad back then was a beast and to see him get beat around the ring like a crackhead asking for a freebie was shocking especially since Wlad was right on the cusp of really being that dude.

but, Joshua out hear making rap mogul money per fight and is the top draw in the sport selling out arenas in other countries. We all knew Ruiz was better than Miller and he'd give it a decent go, but nobody thought he take AJ's best and give it right back 4x harder. That shyt was a bigger shock to me than Wlad getting sparked. We just seen Joshua make adjustments and win fights against top dudes. He couldn't do it this time and it wasn't like he was fighting a Wilder or Fury either.

Punisher was still competitive with Quintana and still took like 4 rounds from him. Paul was getting outboxed, but he also didn't seem to have that extra pep in his step. Dude was a lil sluggish imo. Yeah his boxing got exposed a lil, but he really did seem to have an off night to me. Next fight he came in serious on ko his ass. The fact that Punisher still takes rounds from these dudes who are bad match ups for him show his level. Hell, at least them dudes were all world class too. This aint Leo Santa Cruz struggling on that MayPac undercard level of bad match ups

I’m just saying I completely understand how someone would view Wlad/Sanders as the bigger upset, as you yourself agree 2003 Wlad is the superior fighter.

Now regarding stature, you are correct. It just depends on how you view it (skills or stature).

I hate the way Paul’s career was managed.

 

[patscorpio]

Lol @ Paul vs Quintana. I don't think that was an off night,. In fact, he probably would have lost another UD if he didn't get the quick KO. Quintana/Martinez/Lara were terrible matchups for him.

this hatred of the GOAT Punisher ...wash your face bruh..wash the hate...he had an off night and rebounded to send Quintana to the bushes in 1 round