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[Black_Jesus]

This Fury vs Wilder mess reminds me a bit of the Stevenson vs Kovalev situation except that I think if none of them loses before they actually gonna meet (again).

It was a bit different cause HBO built both of them while Fury only had 1 fight on Showtime but the situation is still very similar. Big fight crossed because of sudden change in promoter/network for one fighter.

I view this as unfortunate turn of events which are part of boxing and can happen sometimes, not x's or y's fault.
Just like I used to think it wasn't Stevenson ducking Kovalev (maybe that too but idk...) but rather him taking a bigger money deal and just like I never blamed Haymon for signing a top fighter when the opportunity was there I also think Fury is just making a business decision now and that it's absurd blaming Arum for signing a top HW. Blaming Top Rank for this is like you would expect them to fall back and watch others play it out in the HW division. Especially now that HW became a lucrative division again it was important to them to enter the picture somehow, they only had Rivas, Jennings and Pulev... So the opportunity came and they signed Fury.

Should they just say "Let DAZN and PBC play this out between themselves, why join the picture?"? What's next, should they send money bags to PBC?
Y'all can't be this naive

This way they suddenly have a good chance that they can host a big HW fight in the near future unlike before they signed Fury.

It is very similar to Kovalev/Alvarez accept when Stevenson took that deal he got the nickname Chickenson and was crucified in the media.. But when it comes to Tyson Fury nikkas is copping all types of pleas LMAO unbelievable

And nope you can’t blame Arum or ESPN.. You can only blame stupid ass fans for giving Fury an out for ducking. These fans just couldn’t accept that the guy didn’t win the fight and it was a ruled a draw so they ignore the judge and give Tyson duckin ass this moral victory as if there’s just no need to settle the draw. They allowing Tyson to ride off into the sunset with a damn draw


Could you imagine if after Holyfield and Lewis got the draw Holyfield decides to jump to another network and tell Lewis the only way he can get a rematch is by signing a 5 fight deal with Showtime GTFOH

 

[reservoirdogs]

It is very similar to Kovalev/Alvarez accept when Stevenson took that deal he got the nickname Chickenson and was crucified in the media.. But when it comes to Tyson Fury nikkas is copping all types of pleas LMAO ;malolactic: unbelievable

And nope you can’t blame Arum or ESPN.. You can only blame stupid ass fans for giving Kovalev an out for ducking. These fans just couldn’t accept that the guy didn’t win the fight and it was a ruled a draw so they ignore the judge and give Tyson duckin ass this moral victory as if there’s just no need to settle the draw. They allowing Tyson to ride off into the sunset with a damn draw


Could you imagine if after Holyfield and Lewis got the draw Holyfield decides to jump to another network and tell Lewis the only way he can get a rematch is by signing a 5 fight deal with Showtime LMAO

Unlike Stevenson Fury already has a big ass built in fanbase and he already fought Wilder, I think that's partly why the criticism is not as harsh as with Stevenson

You might be right about what other ppl do, idk but I stay consistent and try to evaluate the situation logically. Boxing fans have a tendency to put the "ducking" tag on everything before looking for a more complex answer. Real ducking is a lot rarer than what you would think from seeing what boxing fans are writing about on social media. It's the problem with the system. If you have a sport on your hands without one authority, where there are multiple organizations with multiple world title and you can tell which promoter they are in the bed with then shyt like this gonna happen, unfortunately.

I'm not saying it's good and that the system, especially the belt organizations shouldn't be criticized but many fans rather looking for simple ass answers where they can blame one side. They say it's x ducking y cause x is scared of y and there it is, that's their explanation. I get that it's easier to yell fukk Stevenson/Fury/whatever then thoroughly criticizing the system of the sport but it's not the smart thing to do.

 

[H.I.M.]

Wilder played himself hedging all his bets on a Fury rematch instead of fielding offers from Joshua/Hearn

He coulda made a good chunk of change taking AJ's head off and becoming undisputed...but he was absolutely fixated on a instant Fury rematch...when that fight is always gonna be there.

Now he gotta fight a nikka like Dominic Brazeale for like 10-15 Million less than he would against AJ.

Or run it back with Ortiz

 

[H.I.M.]

Ward ain't no damn ATG

What do yall think boxing is like 20-30 years old?

 

[Newzz]

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Really you gone type out and read to yourself that somebody ducked Boobs Breazale stop the nonsense he fought Ortiz and Fury borg better fighters. Ducking is acceptable because there are plenty that think like you.

Aint no nonsense nikka.

I said what I said. Breazeale is a legit top 10 heavyweight and been mando to Wilder. If Wilder can say Fury ducked him, then of course Breazeale can say Wilder ducking him too if he don't fight him this year.

Only nikka at heavy more deserving of a title shot than Breazeale is Whyte.

nikkas logic be all over the place in here.

You had nikkas fukking praising Canelo for avoiding GGG and p*ssyfooting around with UK career mode. Fury gets robbed against a nikka he supposed to lose to, he then decides to get that bag before the rematch and nikkas is losing their mind.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Aint no nonsense nikka.

I said what I said. Breazeale is a legit top 10 heavyweight and been mando to Wilder. If Wilder can say Fury ducked him, then of course Breazeale can say Wilder ducking him too if he don't fight him this year.

Only nikka at heavy more deserving of a title shot than Breazeale is Whyte.

nikkas logic be all over the place in here.

You had nikkas fukking praising Canelo for avoiding GGG and p*ssyfooting around with UK career mode. Fury gets robbed against a nikka he supposed to lose to, he then decides to get that bag before the rematch and nikkas is losing their mind.

Who has Breazale beat to be a fukking mandatory, don’t use boxrec either to find out. How do you duck somebody to fight the Lineal champ and Most avoided in the division. Nobody ducking boobs he’s already been brutally knocked out and has fought Three times in a two years. He was gone make 20 million in a rematch it’s not like he was getting paid pennies. Your excusing ducking just like the same guy (Canelo) you shytted on for ducking. Stop being a damn hypocrite and biased against Wilder. Sounding like dudes that’s biased against AJ just in reverse.

If what Fury did is cool then everybody should duck why not fight 70 nobodies and keep the pay days rolling in.

Fury about to Fight somebody outside of the top 10 heavyweights but that’s acceptable because he getting money

 

[FreedMind]

This Fury vs Wilder mess reminds me a bit of the Stevenson vs Kovalev situation except that I think if none of them loses before they actually gonna meet (again).

It was a bit different cause HBO built both of them while Fury only had 1 fight on Showtime but the situation is still very similar. Big fight crossed because of sudden change in promoter/network for one fighter.

I view this as unfortunate turn of events which are part of boxing and can happen sometimes, not x's or y's fault.
Just like I used to think it wasn't Stevenson ducking Kovalev (maybe that too but idk...) but rather him taking a bigger money deal and just like I never blamed Haymon for signing a top fighter when the opportunity was there I also think Fury is just making a business decision now and that it's absurd blaming Arum for signing a top HW. Blaming Top Rank for this is like you would expect them to fall back and watch others play it out in the HW division. Especially now that HW became a lucrative division again it was important to them to enter the picture somehow, they only had Rivas, Jennings and Pulev... So the opportunity came and they signed Fury.

Should they just say "Let DAZN and PBC play this out between themselves, why join the picture?"? What's next, should they send money bags to PBC?
Y'all can't be this naive

This way they suddenly have a good chance that they can host a big HW fight in the near future unlike before they signed Fury.

Why wouldn't we say it's Top Ranks fault though? There was a rematch clause, the rematch was reportedly close to being signed, and then Arum signed Fury and has pushed the fight back.

Just because it makes financial sense for Arum doesn't mean boxing fans can't express their frustration and disappointment.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Who has Breazale beat to be a fukking mandatory, don’t use boxrec either to find out. How do you duck somebody to fight the Lineal champ and Most avoided in the division. Nobody ducking boobs he’s already been brutally knocked out and has fought Three times in a two years. He was gone make 20 million in a rematch it’s not like he was getting paid pennies. Your excusing ducking just like the same guy (Canelo) you shytted on for ducking. Stop being a damn hypocrite and biased against Wilder. Sounding like dudes that’s biased against AJ just in reverse.

If what Fury did is cool then everybody should duck why not fight 70 nobodies and keep the pay days rolling in.

Fury about to Fight somebody outside of the top 10 heavyweights but that’s acceptable because he getting money

If Wilder fights someone else besides Fury, Joshua, or Whyte over Breazeale, then that's a duck. You can't duck someone if you fight someone better so I don't know what the fukk you rambling about nikka.

Just like nikkas was trying to say Bradley ducked Khan, but dude was going after Pac. What the fukk is a Khan fight at that point.

I'm not excusing anything. All I said was nikkas was happy Canelo was avoiding GGG just to spite GGG because they were on some hating shyt. Now that its a fighter that they like (Wilder) oh now ya'll wanna hurry up and see the rematch.

nikkas is playing fukking stupid I swear.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

If Wilder fights someone else besides Fury, Joshua, or Whyte over Breazeale, then that's a duck. You can't duck someone if you fight someone better so I don't know what the fukk you rambling about nikka.

Just like nikkas was trying to say Bradley ducked Khan, but dude was going after Pac. What the fukk is a Khan fight at that point.

I'm not excusing anything. All I said was nikkas was happy Canelo was avoiding GGG just to spite GGG because they were on some hating shyt. Now that its a fighter that they like (Wilder) oh now ya'll wanna hurry up and see the rematch.

nikkas is playing fukking stupid I swear.

end of debate!!

 

[mr. smoke weed]

The Fade Hour Ep.24: Yooo, did Tyson Fury just DUCK the Deontay Wilder rematch...or nah???

The Golden voice, Newzz, New England Representa, Champside , Bodega P and Smoke

 

[reservoirdogs]

Why wouldn't we say it's Top Ranks fault though? There was a rematch clause, the rematch was reportedly close to being signed, and then Arum signed Fury and has pushed the fight back.

Just because it makes financial sense for Arum doesn't mean boxing fans can't express their frustration and disappointment.

The overall reaction just suggesting me that ppl think Arum did something morally wrong here.
He didn't, he lived with his opportunity to sign one of the 3 top HW's and that's what I wanted to point out. Can't knock him for being competitive in his damn job.

 

[HeruDat1]

The rematch is dead.

at “look to make the fight at a later date.”

Wilder & Fury won’t be fighting no time soon, unless ESPN signs Wilder. They won’t. Shelly said this morning they ain’t giving up their fighter. You won’t see Wilder or Joshua fighting under ESPN

Nothing to talk about unless it’s Joshua Wilder Nov/Dec 2019 even then, I don’t see any cooperation between Showtime-DAZN-ESPN this is chess not checkers, they are in competition.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

fukk Boxing at time's man..

sometimes i think dana white got it right..having everyone under one roof gets fight's made and during the damn season..lol

i'll regret tomorrow i'm sure that i've said all that but fukk this HEAVYWEIGHT BULLshyt TRIANGLE..

 

[reservoirdogs]

fukk Boxing at time's man..

sometimes i think dana white got it right..having everyone under one roof gets fight's made and during the damn season..lol

i'll regret tomorrow i'm sure that i've said all that but fukk this HEAVYWEIGHT BULLshyt TRIANGLE..

MMA is a 30 years old sport or what
Easier to have a crystalised hierarchy between organizations when your sport is 30 years old than when your sport is damn near 150 years old.
Boxing fragmented throughout the times, 90% of talent is not with one promoter/network like how I hear it is in MMA with UFC having the vast majority of top talent. MMA is actually more fragmented with having all these leagues without crossing over (UFC, Bellator, One, etc...) it's just UFC is holding most of the aces. But how long...?
When/if MMA will be 100+ years old let's see how clear the spread of talent in it will be and how easy the transition from fighting on one network to fighting on another network will be.

While it had its fixing and race problems before the multiple belts era, boxing actually only had 1 champions/division too for long decades