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The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread
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Kill Dat Noize
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rotten tomatoes isn't a score, it's a consensus. iron man 3 wasn't good imo but it offended less people who went to see it so it received more passing grades.
this is the only movie in history i've ever seen where the hardcore fans legit believe there is a conspiracy against it
this is the only movie in history i've ever seen where the hardcore fans legit believe there is a conspiracy against it
AnonymityX1000
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rotten tomatoes isn't a score, it's a consensus. iron man 3 wasn't good imo but it offended less people who went to see it so it received more passing grades.
this is the only movie in history i've ever seen where the hardcore fans legit believe there is a conspiracy against it
The conspiracy about the reviews is really hilarious. Over 200 critics were compiled for this movie's RT score they all can't be getting $ from Marvel can they? And all keeping the bribes a secret?
So, the prep-time, the absolute ruthlessness in his attack on criminals, the sheer fear he brought to cops, the certainty in his decision and planning in going to war against Superman, the psychological nightmares that torments him over the murder of his parents, the espionage detective war, the self-assured Bruce persona along with waking up with a bad bytch in his bed, and no ounce of weakness shown EXCEPT when Superman hit him with mentioning his mother's name reflecting upon that same torment that I previously mentioned....
That's pure essential Batman. The fukk were you watching? You basically described NOLAN's Batman who was weak and unsure.
Kevin Smith Reviews ‘Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice,’ Says It Lacked, Humor, Heart & Joy
By Edward Davis | The PlaylistMarch 29, 2016 at 4:03PM
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Et tu, Brute? Earlier this year, Warner Bros.tapped Kevin Smith to co-host the "DC Films Presents: Dawn of the Justice League" special on The CW alongside DC Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns. Sure, it was a glorified puff piece infomercial, but Smith's eye-popping excitement was palpable, and the director was over the moon with not only the teases for "Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice," but everything else Warner Bros. and DC were planning. Well, now that the check has cleared, Smith is sharing his true opinion on 'Dawn Of Justice,' and he doesn't like it.
In his latest "Hollywood Babble-On," Smith did praise Ben Affleck's portrayal of Batman in the movie as its strongest element, but let his co-host Ralph Garman do most of the trash talking. But eventually, as the conversation rolled on, and Smith built a head of steam, he started cutting into the film's problems.
"That didn't seem like Batman,” he admitted about the movie’s characterization of the Caped Crusader. “Certainly not the world's greatest Detective. More like Bat-Trump. The characterization is left of center...Batman's never like, if there's a 1% shyt could go wrong, let's fukking stab people."
Smith spent the beginning of the podcast discussing when he directed an episode of CW’s "The Flash” and used it as a jumping off point about what ‘BVS' was lacking.
"Remember when we were talking about ‘The Flash’ [which is mandated] to include heart, humor and spectacle? I don't feel like ‘[Batman v Superman’] had a heart, it was certainly fukking humorless, there was nothing funny going on in that world whatsoever, but it had lots of spectacle.”
“You can't take that away from Snyder,” he said, giving the director his due in terms of visuals. “Boy, he knows how to compose a frame and set up a shot; beautiful visual stylist. But you need more than just the pictures, you need characterization and these characters seemed off. “
Then Smith started to go off a little stronger on the movie. “Particularly Superman. I mean, Batman's whole, 'I fukking hate him! I'm gonna fukking stab him in the fukking heart!,' that seemed way off, but they played Superman as dark as they played Batman.”
Garman then interjected. “This emo Superman is just a fukking nightmare. What a bytch.”
“It’s missing joy,” Smith continued. “TheMarvel movies have a lot of joy in them and I realize as I was watching [BVS] and here’s the weirdest way to sum it up: I thought it was really dark, I don’t know that I would take a kid to this, it’s kinda bleak. And I’m not a p*ssy about this — 'oh kids shouldn’t see violence'— and I’ll give you an example. I’ve seen ‘Deadpool’ twice. I would take a nine-year old to see ‘Deadpool,’ … More so than that, the moral of Deadpool is crystal clear: It’s not what you look on the outside, its who you are on the inside. It’s kinda of a beautiful story…there’s something there that you can grab onto… It’s been 72 hours since I’ve seen it and I don’t know what the moral of the ‘Batman v Superman’ movie is other than,maybe, maybe, if you stretch it real thin, 'Hey kids, don’t judge a book by its cover.' "
“Honestly, what was the moral of that story?” Smith asked. [Because] everyone was shytty to everybody and in the end Batman was like, “I failed him in life.” It’s like, fukk yeah, you did! You tried to end his life!”
The writer/director saved his best for the climatic turning point in the movie, when**spoilers**, Batman, who was trying to murder the alien foreigner Superman, but changed his mind when he realized that he and Superman shared a mother with the same name: Martha.
“That was the other thing: why they started fighting kind of makes sense in the first act; revisiting the end of ‘Man Of Steel,’ flimsy, flimsy, but at least you can understand why Batman gets steamy,” Smith explained. “But as flimsy as the reason they start fighting is, the reason they stop fighting is the fukking flimsiest reason on the planet. I was a little baffled by that. $250 million riding on that? That's your moment and shyt?”
Perhaps realizing he had gone off, Smith turned to the crowd a little sheepishly and apologetically. “But, uh, you know, I’m happy that the DC Universe is going… I guess?”
By Edward Davis | The PlaylistMarch 29, 2016 at 4:03PM
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Et tu, Brute? Earlier this year, Warner Bros.tapped Kevin Smith to co-host the "DC Films Presents: Dawn of the Justice League" special on The CW alongside DC Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns. Sure, it was a glorified puff piece infomercial, but Smith's eye-popping excitement was palpable, and the director was over the moon with not only the teases for "Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice," but everything else Warner Bros. and DC were planning. Well, now that the check has cleared, Smith is sharing his true opinion on 'Dawn Of Justice,' and he doesn't like it.
In his latest "Hollywood Babble-On," Smith did praise Ben Affleck's portrayal of Batman in the movie as its strongest element, but let his co-host Ralph Garman do most of the trash talking. But eventually, as the conversation rolled on, and Smith built a head of steam, he started cutting into the film's problems.
"That didn't seem like Batman,” he admitted about the movie’s characterization of the Caped Crusader. “Certainly not the world's greatest Detective. More like Bat-Trump. The characterization is left of center...Batman's never like, if there's a 1% shyt could go wrong, let's fukking stab people."
Smith spent the beginning of the podcast discussing when he directed an episode of CW’s "The Flash” and used it as a jumping off point about what ‘BVS' was lacking.
"Remember when we were talking about ‘The Flash’ [which is mandated] to include heart, humor and spectacle? I don't feel like ‘[Batman v Superman’] had a heart, it was certainly fukking humorless, there was nothing funny going on in that world whatsoever, but it had lots of spectacle.”
“You can't take that away from Snyder,” he said, giving the director his due in terms of visuals. “Boy, he knows how to compose a frame and set up a shot; beautiful visual stylist. But you need more than just the pictures, you need characterization and these characters seemed off. “
Then Smith started to go off a little stronger on the movie. “Particularly Superman. I mean, Batman's whole, 'I fukking hate him! I'm gonna fukking stab him in the fukking heart!,' that seemed way off, but they played Superman as dark as they played Batman.”
Garman then interjected. “This emo Superman is just a fukking nightmare. What a bytch.”
“It’s missing joy,” Smith continued. “TheMarvel movies have a lot of joy in them and I realize as I was watching [BVS] and here’s the weirdest way to sum it up: I thought it was really dark, I don’t know that I would take a kid to this, it’s kinda bleak. And I’m not a p*ssy about this — 'oh kids shouldn’t see violence'— and I’ll give you an example. I’ve seen ‘Deadpool’ twice. I would take a nine-year old to see ‘Deadpool,’ … More so than that, the moral of Deadpool is crystal clear: It’s not what you look on the outside, its who you are on the inside. It’s kinda of a beautiful story…there’s something there that you can grab onto… It’s been 72 hours since I’ve seen it and I don’t know what the moral of the ‘Batman v Superman’ movie is other than,maybe, maybe, if you stretch it real thin, 'Hey kids, don’t judge a book by its cover.' "
“Honestly, what was the moral of that story?” Smith asked. [Because] everyone was shytty to everybody and in the end Batman was like, “I failed him in life.” It’s like, fukk yeah, you did! You tried to end his life!”
The writer/director saved his best for the climatic turning point in the movie, when**spoilers**, Batman, who was trying to murder the alien foreigner Superman, but changed his mind when he realized that he and Superman shared a mother with the same name: Martha.
“That was the other thing: why they started fighting kind of makes sense in the first act; revisiting the end of ‘Man Of Steel,’ flimsy, flimsy, but at least you can understand why Batman gets steamy,” Smith explained. “But as flimsy as the reason they start fighting is, the reason they stop fighting is the fukking flimsiest reason on the planet. I was a little baffled by that. $250 million riding on that? That's your moment and shyt?”
Perhaps realizing he had gone off, Smith turned to the crowd a little sheepishly and apologetically. “But, uh, you know, I’m happy that the DC Universe is going… I guess?”
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The problem with these so-called reviews just like the one with Kevin Smith is that they complain over what THEY expect all superhero films to be and not for what the film individually WANTS it to be. You cannot say a film is a "bad film" because you dislike its tone and want it to be a happy tone. That's not what the filmmakers are gunning for. They do not want an action comedy. They do not want a family fun joy ride. They wanted an adult-mature film that delves into modern day mythology.
As I said before, I can pass if people say it is bad editing or say they did not like someone's acting or even critique about the direction or parts of the screenplay. But when you saying it is dark, it is grim, it is joyless. THAT IS THE POINT. That is what they wanted. These are the SAME KIND of criticisms that people complained about for EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. About it didn't have hope and fun like the original Star Wars. That it left on a cliffhanger. That it was always dreary and hopeless and the heroes did not win. That it was too dark. Nothing about how revolutionary, how ambitious, and how well directed the movie was. Today it is viewed as one of the greatest films ever made.
If you don't want your movies to be serious and adult... fine. But do not bash a film for its INTENT. Criticize it for things that they intended to do and it didn't work. But to say it is depressing and hopeless, you do not deserve to be a critic.
And to add, some of these critics really are power-tripping. They truly trying to derail the movie and making ALL the excuses they could muster to undermine its success. I read an article today by a critic upset at the success of the film claiming the movie is the cinematic version of DONALD TRUMP. And the fans are no different from Trump fans. That is a disgusting use of comparison just because that individual didn't so-called care for the movie. But there's constant articles that really trying their all to smear this movie.
As I said before, I can pass if people say it is bad editing or say they did not like someone's acting or even critique about the direction or parts of the screenplay. But when you saying it is dark, it is grim, it is joyless. THAT IS THE POINT. That is what they wanted. These are the SAME KIND of criticisms that people complained about for EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. About it didn't have hope and fun like the original Star Wars. That it left on a cliffhanger. That it was always dreary and hopeless and the heroes did not win. That it was too dark. Nothing about how revolutionary, how ambitious, and how well directed the movie was. Today it is viewed as one of the greatest films ever made.
If you don't want your movies to be serious and adult... fine. But do not bash a film for its INTENT. Criticize it for things that they intended to do and it didn't work. But to say it is depressing and hopeless, you do not deserve to be a critic.
And to add, some of these critics really are power-tripping. They truly trying to derail the movie and making ALL the excuses they could muster to undermine its success. I read an article today by a critic upset at the success of the film claiming the movie is the cinematic version of DONALD TRUMP. And the fans are no different from Trump fans. That is a disgusting use of comparison just because that individual didn't so-called care for the movie. But there's constant articles that really trying their all to smear this movie.
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ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
I disagree somewhat with Kevin Smith about Batman. Superman told him not to come out the next time the bat signal shines into the air.
Who the fukk are YOU to tell ME not to be Batman. I been doing this shyt for damn near 20 years now and notice, the cops haven't come after me yet. Hell, notice where the light for the Bat-Signal is located.
We're dealing with a man who can destroy buildings just by bumping into them. The next time he goes out on patrol, it's only logical that it's to rumble with the man that told you never to come out on patrol again. And what better way than to shine the Bat-Signal yourself? You want some come get some.
It's seems extreme, but it's Batman so....
Who the fukk are YOU to tell ME not to be Batman. I been doing this shyt for damn near 20 years now and notice, the cops haven't come after me yet. Hell, notice where the light for the Bat-Signal is located.
We're dealing with a man who can destroy buildings just by bumping into them. The next time he goes out on patrol, it's only logical that it's to rumble with the man that told you never to come out on patrol again. And what better way than to shine the Bat-Signal yourself? You want some come get some.
It's seems extreme, but it's Batman so....
The only thing that was weak to me is Superman's obsession with Batman to begin with. I am sure it'll be elaborated more in the Ultimate cut version, but you got Superman acting upon like the policeman of the world. Snyder should of made it a broader point about Superman's own belief that he has moral authority to judge actions of other peoples ethics and making that more of an incentive to face Batman. I disliked the Lois angle in forcing him to fight, although I do agree the Martha kidnapping would of been worked great if Luthor pinned that blame on Batman in his lack of preventing it, similar to how he used the wheelchair amputee to get Batman more upset at the consequences that Superman did at Metropolis.
Fillerguy
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Batman's reasoning to going after Superman was dumb. His only legitimate argument against Superman was the destruction of Metropolis and even then, Batman knew it wasnt Supes fault. He tried to kill Superman solely based on a "what if he was bad" scenario even though all the evidence pointed to that not being a possibility. Hell, Batman knew that Lex was trying to set Superman up (which also made no sense) as the bad guy yet Batman still wanted to dead him. Even after Batman found out someone was trying to manipulate him into fighting Superman yet he still wanted to kill Superman. And lets ignore how Batman is hating Superman for the very same thing he's guilty of. Trash writing.
And it isn't really a critic conspiracy per'se, (even though MANY of them have their own personal agendas or vendettas), but it is the pompous attitude they have toward dark superhero films or series. Many actually criticized Darkdevil season 2 for the same reasons about TONE.
He's a prime example.
The Paradox of 'Daredevil'
But once the agenda machine to bash a film gets going, there's a bandwagon that follows... same with movies that gets praised and turns out being overrated, that bandwagon comes through. You look at the 1st Avengers and Age of Ultron, and they both had the same FLAWS (even though they're both pretty much the same movie), but one is praised dismissing the criticisms and the other get panned because of it. And I am not saying the critics had it out or defending... but stating a lot of it is bandwagoning....
That all said, part of the major success to BvS in its opening weekend that exceeded way more than was originally projected is due to people's curiosity because of the onslaught and their realization AFTER seeing it themselves that that onslaught isn't warranted. To me personally, if critics can live with Furious 7 & Jurassic World... then they should of been fair with this as well, because by the response of the majority that seen it is fairs in that category of quality. Not anything revolutionary or game changing, but good in most regards with a lot of flaws to be acknowledged.
Now critics are angry because they're forced to defend their own negative reviews... and that's where it gets sad to me. If you truly felt that way from the start. Say it and keep it moving.
He's a prime example.
The Paradox of 'Daredevil'
But once the agenda machine to bash a film gets going, there's a bandwagon that follows... same with movies that gets praised and turns out being overrated, that bandwagon comes through. You look at the 1st Avengers and Age of Ultron, and they both had the same FLAWS (even though they're both pretty much the same movie), but one is praised dismissing the criticisms and the other get panned because of it. And I am not saying the critics had it out or defending... but stating a lot of it is bandwagoning....
That all said, part of the major success to BvS in its opening weekend that exceeded way more than was originally projected is due to people's curiosity because of the onslaught and their realization AFTER seeing it themselves that that onslaught isn't warranted. To me personally, if critics can live with Furious 7 & Jurassic World... then they should of been fair with this as well, because by the response of the majority that seen it is fairs in that category of quality. Not anything revolutionary or game changing, but good in most regards with a lot of flaws to be acknowledged.
Now critics are angry because they're forced to defend their own negative reviews... and that's where it gets sad to me. If you truly felt that way from the start. Say it and keep it moving.
Bruce Wayne
THE GODDAMN BILLIONAIRE
Trash writing.
The reasoning for Superman having issues with Batman is dumb and a waste. The reasoning for Batman seeing Superman as a threat makes perfect sense considering he was THERE when Metropolis was hit and lost his own employees too. Then got the vision in where he saw himself in the future with a message from Flash telling him that he was right all along. And to top it off, witnessed the Senate bombing on TV with returned checks talking about "you let your family die". His spill to Alfred about the 1% chance pretty much sewn it up.
Superman standing in the flames of the Senate building like
Also add to the fact that Bruce felt Superman had no attachment to this Earth being an alien
Fillerguy
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So in other words Superman should have acted like Superman
