The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Ghostbusters trailer

 

[Jimmy ValenTime]

the war lord they should have given clarity if superman killed the guy or just grab him with one hand and punch the wall with the other to scar the shyt out of him

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Elements of the movie were good, but the execution was poor. It left a lot of people scratching their heads wondering what did they just watch.

They pulled a Xmen: DoFP with Bruce and the knightmare scenes. I understand that they wanted the audience to feel like Bruce and understand the images they way Bruce did. But it just ended up being really confusing to watch.

This Batman reminded me more of the Thomas Wayne Batman. Very aggressive, emotional, and showing no mercy.

In the movie Alfred is basically the brains of the operation and Batman just executes the missions.

No real detective work, he showed way too much emotion and jumped to conclusions way too fast. He let anger and vengeance cloud his judgement which aloud Lex to manipulate him so easily. This is a 20 year vet Batman literally making year 1 mistakes.

He doesn't have the confidence, the foresight, or the mindset to run a Justice League. If this dude has issues with someone as powerful as Superman just wait till he see's what The Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg are capable off....

If this is a TDKR type of Batman than I'm pretty sure that Batman turned is back on the Justice League a long time ago.

This is a 20 year vet for the first time dealing with something that he legit has fear of.

Also he was actually doing prep time in this movie from what I saw.

 

[Jimmy ValenTime]

personally they could done a more heighten dream style death of the waynes and left out the desert scene which feels like they just wanted to add another action scene

Bruce running to the building is a great opener for a film like this

 

[gluvnast]

i give the move a b or a b-

the movie doesn't need waynes deaths again or the dream sequence or the time traveling flash ( i would lost it if it was time traveling batman beyond though

you cut all of that out and you got a tighter movie

or you add two or three ins to the fight against batman and superman


its a well made film the aesthetics, the shots, the framing ... i like Alfred as a engineer and war adviser more then father figure type of Alfred..

wonder women was good mix of sexy and sharp

i like the cyborg and auqaman stuff

I thought the a would be for green arrow


i like that lex luthor comes off crazy in this and the blowing up the senate hearing is a very lex luthor move

I TOTALLY disagree on not needing the Waynes death and especially disagree with the Knightmare scene/Flash warning. On the surface of the Wayne death scene, I GET that we do not need another origin story, but in this it served an absolute purpose as to the reason why

Spoiler

Batman doesn't kill Superman

so that scene is giving us the reason behind one of the most pivotal part of the entire movie. So it SERVED a vital purpose. As for the Flash is, as well it served a vital purpose, for not only as to why the need for a Justice League have to be formed, but it is the confirmation that Batman feared as his reason to take out Superman. Take both of those scenes out would of unglued the film altogether.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Elements of the movie were good, but the execution was poor. It left a lot of people scratching their heads wondering what did they just watch.

They pulled a Xmen: DoFP with Bruce and the knightmare scenes. I understand that they wanted the audience to feel like Bruce and understand the images they way Bruce did. But it just ended up being really confusing to watch.

This Batman reminded me more of the Thomas Wayne Batman. Very aggressive, emotional, and showing no mercy.

In the movie Alfred is basically the brains of the operation and Batman just executes the missions.

No real detective work, he showed way too much emotion and jumped to conclusions way too fast. He let anger and vengeance cloud his judgement which aloud Lex to manipulate him so easily. This is a 20 year vet Batman literally making year 1 mistakes.

He doesn't have the confidence, the foresight, or the mindset to run a Justice League. If this dude has issues with someone as powerful as Superman just wait till he see's what The Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg are capable of....

If this is a TDKR type of Batman than I'm pretty sure that Batman turned is back on the Justice League a long time ago.

This is one of the best assessments I've read on here about this film.

And its more or less exactly how I feel about this movie

Spoiler

 

[gluvnast]

personally they could done a more heighten dream style death of the waynes and left out the desert scene which feels like they just wanted to add another action scene

Bruce running to the building is a great opener for a film like this

I think you don't understand how IMPORTANT that desert scene is and what it's implying....

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Batman's dreamscape will look familiar to comic readers: His costume's aesthetic recalls the alternate universe graphic novel Superman: Red Son. But though that story pits a resistance fighter Batman against a tyrannical Superman, it otherwise has little to do with this Knightmare.


Batman's Dark Knightmare outfit versus his Red Son costume
Most of the dream seems like a straightforward exploration of Batman's fears about an unchecked Superman. But there's also a bit of apaprently prophecy: Superman angrily tells Batman "she was my world," while that mysterious figure — The Flash, traveling through the time stream — warning that Bruce was "right about him" and Lois is "the key."

All this points to a possible future in which Lois dies and Superman goes rogue with grief. While this hasn't happened in the main DC universe canon, there are a few alternate universe stories when losing the love of his life leads Superman down a dark path — particularly the recent video game/comic crossover Injustice: Gods Among Us. Only time will tell if Lois and Clark, and the world, have something to worry about.

Welcome to the Darkseid
But the biggest easter egg of the dream have to do with the likely villain for the upcoming Justice League franchise: Darkseid.

Pronounced "dark-side," this alien villain has long been a menace to Earth's heroes in comics and cartoons. The DC Comics analogue to Marvel's Thanos, Darkseid rules the planet of Apokolips with an iron fist. He's part of an otherworldly pantheon of "new gods" created in 1970 by comics legend Jack Kirby.

How do we know Darkseid is coming? His symbol, the greek letter omega, is carved into the sand in Batman's dream, and his winged minions — the parademons — fight alongside Dream Superman's soldiers. These monsters are creations of Darkseid, mindless drones crafted from once-living beings that exist only to serve as weapons for their evil leader.

There are also two other Darkseid references later in the movie: when Wonder Woman watches the surveillance footage of other metahumans, she spots videos of Dr. Silas Stone trying to save his son Victor's life. Vic Stone will eventually become the hero Cyborg, and we see the beginning of his robotic side after his father uses an odd technological square. That would be a Mother Box — advanced tech from Darkseid's home world. We'll likely see more of that when Cybrog appears in Justice League.


And remember the manic speech that a freshly bald Lex Luthor delivers to Batman after he's put behind bars? The bad guy rants about someone knowing that Superman is "dead," someone in space. That a bell has been rung that can't be unrung, and that "they" are coming.

All his talk of gods and devils seems to be clear foreshadowing of the dark god Darkseid — but it's not yet clear how Luthor knows that this intergalactic enemy is coming.

Darkseid's mission in life is to conquer other planets the same way he has his grim homeworld, which has fiery pits not unlike those winking in the distance during Batman's dream. Darkseid is often searching for something called the Anti-Life equation, which would remove free will from his subjects. And, of course, the secrets to that equation lie here on Earth.

Over the years Darkseid has fought with the entire Justice League, particularly Wonder Woman and Batman. He even briefly killed Batman in the comics a few years ago. But his main enemy is Superman, which stems from an obsession with the Kryptonian and a need to have him join or die. That connection means that we've probably not seen the last of the Man of Steel in these films — no matter how Batman V Superman ended.
'Batman v Superman': What that dream means for 'Justice League'

 

[Mortal1]

Batman's dreamscape will look familiar to comic readers: His costume's aesthetic recalls the alternate universe graphic novel Superman: Red Son. But though that story pits a resistance fighter Batman against a tyrannical Superman, it otherwise has little to do with this Knightmare.


Batman's Dark Knightmare outfit versus his Red Son costume
Most of the dream seems like a straightforward exploration of Batman's fears about an unchecked Superman. But there's also a bit of apaprently prophecy: Superman angrily tells Batman "she was my world," while that mysterious figure — The Flash, traveling through the time stream — warning that Bruce was "right about him" and Lois is "the key."

All this points to a possible future in which Lois dies and Superman goes rogue with grief. While this hasn't happened in the main DC universe canon, there are a few alternate universe stories when losing the love of his life leads Superman down a dark path — particularly the recent video game/comic crossover Injustice: Gods Among Us. Only time will tell if Lois and Clark, and the world, have something to worry about.

Welcome to the Darkseid
But the biggest easter egg of the dream have to do with the likely villain for the upcoming Justice League franchise: Darkseid.

Pronounced "dark-side," this alien villain has long been a menace to Earth's heroes in comics and cartoons. The DC Comics analogue to Marvel's Thanos, Darkseid rules the planet of Apokolips with an iron fist. He's part of an otherworldly pantheon of "new gods" created in 1970 by comics legend Jack Kirby.

How do we know Darkseid is coming? His symbol, the greek letter omega, is carved into the sand in Batman's dream, and his winged minions — the parademons — fight alongside Dream Superman's soldiers. These monsters are creations of Darkseid, mindless drones crafted from once-living beings that exist only to serve as weapons for their evil leader.

There are also two other Darkseid references later in the movie: when Wonder Woman watches the surveillance footage of other metahumans, she spots videos of Dr. Silas Stone trying to save his son Victor's life. Vic Stone will eventually become the hero Cyborg, and we see the beginning of his robotic side after his father uses an odd technological square. That would be a Mother Box — advanced tech from Darkseid's home world. We'll likely see more of that when Cybrog appears in Justice League.


And remember the manic speech that a freshly bald Lex Luthor delivers to Batman after he's put behind bars? The bad guy rants about someone knowing that Superman is "dead," someone in space. That a bell has been rung that can't be unrung, and that "they" are coming.

All his talk of gods and devils seems to be clear foreshadowing of the dark god Darkseid — but it's not yet clear how Luthor knows that this intergalactic enemy is coming.

Darkseid's mission in life is to conquer other planets the same way he has his grim homeworld, which has fiery pits not unlike those winking in the distance during Batman's dream. Darkseid is often searching for something called the Anti-Life equation, which would remove free will from his subjects. And, of course, the secrets to that equation lie here on Earth.

Over the years Darkseid has fought with the entire Justice League, particularly Wonder Woman and Batman. He even briefly killed Batman in the comics a few years ago. But his main enemy is Superman, which stems from an obsession with the Kryptonian and a need to have him join or die. That connection means that we've probably not seen the last of the Man of Steel in these films — no matter how Batman V Superman ended.
'Batman v Superman': What that dream means for 'Justice League'

Spoiler

Injustice based justice league film down the line

 

[marcuz]

I think you don't understand how IMPORTANT that desert scene is and what it's implying....

probably because they didnt do a good enough job making it feel jointed. i'm certain it'll all come together in hindsight though

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

probably because they didnt do a good enough job making it feel jointed. i'm certain it'll all come together in hindsight though

Or they didn't want to have to explain everything and instead let the audience actually ponder/theorize meanings for it

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Lex talking about his dad

 

[Jimmy ValenTime]

The waynes death was there only to serve a scene later in the film. (whether that worked or not it is up to you)

Had no problems with the dream/flash stuff based on that theory I read.

I agree about being a tighter film.

My overall impression is that if this is a 2hr film its a classic. Or its possible that the 3hr directors cut is a classic. Either they needed to flesh this movie out or they needed to condense it.

They got caught in the middle where they added plotlines they couldn't wrap in a smoother fashion.

I'm hopeful for the director's cut though.

i feel that we get a movie and a half kind of like age of ultron they made a man of steel sequel plus a justice league origin film a s longer version of this or a shorter venison would work better

 

[marcuz]

you can argue that all day, but the movie felt disjointed as hell. like who ever posted a rumor that they filmed 6 hours and condensed it to 2.5, i can easily believe that shyt.

Or they didn't want to have to explain everything and instead let the audience actually ponder/theorize meanings for it

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Bruce helping a brotha beat up a cac