BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
Negan and Maggie from TWD, were Bruces parents
The Official Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Movie Thread
- Thread starter Jello Biafra
- Start date
NOSaintsFan02
Superstar
I thought it was good. Maybe cuz I'm not that deep into this comic book lifestyle or Marvel vs DC war like some are. 
I see some of the biggest critics in here being triumphant in the Civil War thread though, makes it obvious who had an agenda from the start.
Overall, The movie was fine. It's gonna make a ton of money. Warner Bros/DC will carry on. The critics and fan debate is entertaining but a bit moot.
I see some of the biggest critics in here being triumphant in the Civil War thread though, makes it obvious who had an agenda from the start.
Overall, The movie was fine. It's gonna make a ton of money. Warner Bros/DC will carry on. The critics and fan debate is entertaining but a bit moot.
Going at 12...slick scared
I honestly don't care about reviews...stopped caring when the Gawd Ebert went to that aisle seat in the sky.
Besides some of my favorite movies were shyt on by critics when they first came out. Predator was almost universally panned and The Shining was actually nominated for a Razzie for Worst Director for Kubrick...think about that, people actually thought once upon a time that Kubrick shyt the bed in terms of how he directed The Shining.
Night of the Hunter was a critical and box office flop when it first came out. Taste differs and in the case of a polarizing director like Zack Snyder his aesthetic doesn't always line up with the tastes of professional critics.
Well let's be reality....you're rocking a BvS avi. This film could've been worse than The Room and you would've still been happy with it. You made your mind up BEFORE you seen it.
That's the thing with some of you fanboys, you invest so much into the hype of these films that you have no choice but try and like them. Facing reality is a little too much to deal with for some. I understand. I don't blame you. Be well.
Yeah, I actually kinda like MOS despite it's flaws. I understand why some people don't like it tho.
How hard they OD with the action sequences in MOS and BVS redeem them a lot in my eyes. But the complete lack of charm or levity is hard to take for such long stretches. Like at least in Nolan's batman world the villains and Bruce had some type of swagger that made them engaging.
almost as odd as it would have been had the movie actually gotten positive remarks
but now three years and 200 pages worth of shyt cant be talked and instead pleas are being copped 
dakidbanks
Superstar
Saw the 6 pm showing in IMAX 3D.. Some of you cats are over analyzing this
I feel like I got Dark Knight Returns, Death of Superman and a little of Justice League #1 rolled in 1 film... I ain't mad.
I've waited my whole life to see Batman and Superman in the same movie.
My only complaints were that the cuts weren't that smooth in the beginning and I'm tired of seeing goofy Lex in movies... This Lex was brilliant but I'm still waiting on laid back mature menacing Lex
Some of Batman's tactics were questionable considering he's not suppose to kill but I'll wait for Snyder and co to comment on some things
I do feel like I can't truly review this movie until I see the directors cut because I can tell a lot of stuff that would've made stuff flow more smoothly/make more sense was left out so to the average Joe going to see that movie who isn't a comic buff, some stuff isn't gonna make sense to them like it did some of us
I was locked onto what would happen next the entire film.. I never lost interest or got bored.
I thought it was dope and I don't care enough to compare it to Nolan's or Marvel's movies... Totally different approaches to making superhero movies and all of them work and I enjoy them all
WB needs to speed up the process on a solo Batman because Affleck killed that and I was on the hate train when he was casted
I feel like I got Dark Knight Returns, Death of Superman and a little of Justice League #1 rolled in 1 film... I ain't mad.
I've waited my whole life to see Batman and Superman in the same movie.
My only complaints were that the cuts weren't that smooth in the beginning and I'm tired of seeing goofy Lex in movies... This Lex was brilliant but I'm still waiting on laid back mature menacing Lex
Some of Batman's tactics were questionable considering he's not suppose to kill but I'll wait for Snyder and co to comment on some things
I do feel like I can't truly review this movie until I see the directors cut because I can tell a lot of stuff that would've made stuff flow more smoothly/make more sense was left out so to the average Joe going to see that movie who isn't a comic buff, some stuff isn't gonna make sense to them like it did some of us
I was locked onto what would happen next the entire film.. I never lost interest or got bored.
I thought it was dope and I don't care enough to compare it to Nolan's or Marvel's movies... Totally different approaches to making superhero movies and all of them work and I enjoy them all
WB needs to speed up the process on a solo Batman because Affleck killed that and I was on the hate train when he was casted
loyola llothta
☭☭☭
Who would thought deadpool and ant man>>>>>>> BVS
they shyt on "the man of steel" like a bytch. DCEU still haven't made a good movie yet
The stans doing everything they can to make it work nah shyt is bad. Forced dark gritty bullshyt with fake deep thematic mythological socially relevant jerkfest mixed with pretentious stan fanbase....
This superman literally dont stand for nothing..... excessive destruction pandering but still somehow boring and uncomfortable at the same damn time
But but but the red capes are coming! !!! ....The red capes are coming! !
But but but The greatest gladiator match in history of the world
But but but flavour of the week Ant-Man
Suicide , its a suicide. Straight torrent status
they shyt on "the man of steel" like a bytch. DCEU still haven't made a good movie yetThe stans doing everything they can to make it work nah shyt is bad. Forced dark gritty bullshyt with fake deep thematic mythological socially relevant jerkfest mixed with pretentious stan fanbase....
This superman literally dont stand for nothing..... excessive destruction pandering but still somehow boring and uncomfortable at the same damn time
But but but the red capes are coming! !!! ....The red capes are coming! !
But but but The greatest gladiator match in history of the world
But but but flavour of the week Ant-Man
Suicide , its a suicide. Straight torrent status
I came a hour early shyt is absurd packed I'm at a 9:40 am showing
Only avengers and Jurassic world
And Star Wars were this packed and I watched those movies at night or afternoon not early morning
Got me thinking shyt gonna hit 200
Mil if it's anything like this rest of weekend for the 3 day box office
Bout to watch movie will drop brief review later
Only avengers and Jurassic world
And Star Wars were this packed and I watched those movies at night or afternoon not early morning
Got me thinking shyt gonna hit 200
Mil if it's anything like this rest of weekend for the 3 day box office
Bout to watch movie will drop brief review later
BobbyBooshay
Arnold Jackson
True and opening to Injustice too, with Bruce dream with Flash.
Is this Lex similar to his dad, I cant remember
I'm waiting for this bullshyt to hit Blockbuster Video 
SalamiAttack
All Star
Batman Dream Sequence be like...
Mickey Kane
All Star
I think so.
I get the impression he was never supposed to be Superman as we know him from the beginning or even in this film.
In some ways, it goes back to the Jesus Christ parallel. We cover his origin, the backlash, his death and in his resurrection do we see him ascend as the true God-like figure Superman.
RUMOR IS BREH LOVES TO DRINK AND DO DRUGS AND A LOT OF HIS SCENES ACTING WISE WERE shyt AND THEY HAD TO CUT THEM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NobodyReally
Superstar
OK, let me start off by saying that the reason this movie was so disappointing, at least for me, was that I saw flashes, no entire sequences of awesomeness. It was as if someone had smuggled in footage from the editor's vault without his permission to tease the audience with clips from an unfinished movie. There were missing transitions and scenes but you could tell that the movie Snyder was working on was gonna be really good once it was complete.
The problem is, this was the finished product.
So I'm gonna talk about what I liked and loved first because I think that's why I was so frustrated and disappointed with this movie.
The Great, the Good, and the OK
Aaaaand now I'm running out of good things to say, so onto the bad...
The Bad, the Terrible, and the OMFG Why???
In terms of writing, overall, this was a tedious film to watch because it was like rummaging through a flea market, trying to slug through the garbage because you know there is something good in buried in there. The pacing felt off because there was no flow. And the flow was off because there were no transitions. There were no transitions because character development and the overall story was neglected. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how many cool scenes you give me, if you can't string them together in a cohesive and plausible way, you've failed to make a good movie.
The problem is, this was the finished product.
So I'm gonna talk about what I liked and loved first because I think that's why I was so frustrated and disappointed with this movie.
The Great, the Good, and the OK
I don't really like Jesse Einsenberg. He is usually annoying and swarmy in most of his roles, but contrary to the critics and most of the folks on this board, I really enjoyed Eisenberg's villain. I say villain because he really wasn't playing the Lex Luthor at all. Once you make peace with that, you can see that whoever Einseberg was playing was fukking twisted and diabolical and brilliant. I love that he killed so many people and was willing to kill so many more, to accomplish his mission. I loved his plans. He was playing the long game and he did it well. The whole I kidnapped-your-mother-now-go-kill-Batman revelation scene played out so well (although I have other problems with the plausibility of Superman bending to Luthor's will here. I'll talk about that later). I also enjoyed the scene between him and the Senator, where she turns him down and suddenly it gets awesomely tense and creepy between them. And one of my favorite scenes was the congressional hearing where pieces from the Senator and Luthor's conversation come back to haunt her and everyone else in the building. That entire scene was fantastic. I've never been so excited about innocent people being blown up before. So yeah, go Luthor.
I really enjoyed Wonder Woman. Gadot played her very well. Elegant, beautiful, strong, and badass. I love how epic her fight scenes were, and I want more now. I can't wait to see what they do with her in a feature film.
I actually didn't mind the trigger happy Batman. He was kinda fun, especially the desert scene. That was pretty kickass. In fact, I'm not sure what the complaint is because it seemed that all of his kills were done in dream sequences. Can someone point out when he was shooting people and it wasn't in his head?
I loved Jeremy Irons' Alfred, and I think they could have used him more.
Angsty Superman works for me. Especially in this universe. I thought Cavill did a good job of playing someone who wanted to do good but felt torn about how he was making others feel.
On the flip side, some of the humor, which was sparse, was surprisingly funny. I really enjoyed Luthor popping the candy in the guy's mouth and Superman's mom saying 'yeah, I know, the cape gave it away'.
Affleck's Batman was OK. I don't see what the hype is. He wasn't terrible, but he was no Keaton or Bale. But I honestly am not sure I would want to see a feature film with him as Batman. He kinda bored me.
I really enjoyed Wonder Woman. Gadot played her very well. Elegant, beautiful, strong, and badass. I love how epic her fight scenes were, and I want more now. I can't wait to see what they do with her in a feature film.
I actually didn't mind the trigger happy Batman. He was kinda fun, especially the desert scene. That was pretty kickass. In fact, I'm not sure what the complaint is because it seemed that all of his kills were done in dream sequences. Can someone point out when he was shooting people and it wasn't in his head?
I loved Jeremy Irons' Alfred, and I think they could have used him more.
Angsty Superman works for me. Especially in this universe. I thought Cavill did a good job of playing someone who wanted to do good but felt torn about how he was making others feel.
On the flip side, some of the humor, which was sparse, was surprisingly funny. I really enjoyed Luthor popping the candy in the guy's mouth and Superman's mom saying 'yeah, I know, the cape gave it away'.
Affleck's Batman was OK. I don't see what the hype is. He wasn't terrible, but he was no Keaton or Bale. But I honestly am not sure I would want to see a feature film with him as Batman. He kinda bored me.
Aaaaand now I'm running out of good things to say, so onto the bad...
The Bad, the Terrible, and the OMFG Why???
I hated Lois here. I hate the way Amy Adams plays Lois, I hate the forced affection, the non-existent chemistry, the awkward imitations of intimacy, and the shallow declarations of love between Clark and Lois. Most of her scenes didn't make sense to me, and it felt like they were really just trying to find places to fit her in. It wasn't organic and her and Clark never felt real.
And speaking of realism, I never bought that Superman and Batman could be on even footing, even with the use of kryptonite. I just never bought that Superman would let Batman close enough to even use the kryptonite. After the initial surprise kryptonite shot, Superman should have never let Batman close enough to do that again. He didn't have to kill him, but Superman has so many powers he could have used defensively to put himself at arm's length while trying to talk to Batman. Maybe I should have suspended my disbelief because there was some cool action in there, but I just couldn't.
I also could not fukking believe that Superman would let his mom be kidnapped and bow to the will of Luthor. It was a brilliant plan, and I loved the way that scene unfolded, however I never, never bought it. You're telling me he could hear Lois thumping miles away underwater, but he couldn't hear or locate his mother? He sure as hell located her in MoS when she was about to be killed. Consistency within a universe is so important if you're asking an audience to believe in any of this stuff.
And while I really liked Luthor here, I never really understood his problem with Superman. He rambles something about his father beating him and God and power, but his fixation of taking Superman down just seemed really random. They could have spent some time on giving him more backstory to flesh out his motivations, because I didn't buy them here.
While we're on Luthor, I didn't really understand how anyone had discovered the green mineral known as kryptonite and associate it with Kryptonians. Like why would they see a green mineral and say "ooo, I wonder if that would degrade the cells of Kryptonians". Like why would anyone look at kryptonite and think that. They didn't do a good job of selling the human discovery and use of it on Kryptonians.
The flow...the fukking flow is non existent. Scenes just appear and then disappear. There are no real transitions, no thoughtful tie-ins to make things coherent. It really feels like little teaser trailers strung together. I can tell this is footage from a much longer movie and whoever is in charge of editing may be at more fault than Snyder.
But, but Snyder still needs to be crucified for the hackneyed way Batman's origins and current story line played out. They should have just saved that for the feature movie, it was beautifully shot but it felt so incomplete and scattered. It was frustrating because you could tell there was so much more story there and they didn't really give that character room to breath and develop. They couldn't because they were trying to cram too much other stuff in.
Snyder should also be blamed for the shoddy execution of Doomsday. Luthor's acquisition of the information to create Doomsday didn't feel really credible. I didn't buy it. I also didn't like Doomsday. He never felt really real or threatening because he seemed so unreal. Too much of him was special effects and he had too much power for it not to do even more damage than the ending MoS fight. And by the way, wasn't that the whole point behind why Batman was mad at Superman, so why didn't he give any pause or sentiment about the amount of destruction he was participating in, even if it was to stop Doomsday. Doomsday ended up feeling like a plot device to unite the heroes.
And speaking of plot devices, here's where Goyer really shows he sucks at writing dialogue. That entire graveside scene between Batman and WW felt so ridiculously forced. Yes, we know you are using this movie to set up the Justice League, but no, Batman is not clairvoyant and how could he possibly know or want to assemble all of the freaks in Luthor's secret files. Why would he even think they would want to be heroes and not villians? Why isn't he probing WW more or in shock that she's so old. It's like he found out she's almost 100 years old and is like 'cool'. None of that dialogue or interaction felt real or believable. This was a writing issue.
And speaking of realism, I never bought that Superman and Batman could be on even footing, even with the use of kryptonite. I just never bought that Superman would let Batman close enough to even use the kryptonite. After the initial surprise kryptonite shot, Superman should have never let Batman close enough to do that again. He didn't have to kill him, but Superman has so many powers he could have used defensively to put himself at arm's length while trying to talk to Batman. Maybe I should have suspended my disbelief because there was some cool action in there, but I just couldn't.
I also could not fukking believe that Superman would let his mom be kidnapped and bow to the will of Luthor. It was a brilliant plan, and I loved the way that scene unfolded, however I never, never bought it. You're telling me he could hear Lois thumping miles away underwater, but he couldn't hear or locate his mother? He sure as hell located her in MoS when she was about to be killed. Consistency within a universe is so important if you're asking an audience to believe in any of this stuff.
And while I really liked Luthor here, I never really understood his problem with Superman. He rambles something about his father beating him and God and power, but his fixation of taking Superman down just seemed really random. They could have spent some time on giving him more backstory to flesh out his motivations, because I didn't buy them here.
While we're on Luthor, I didn't really understand how anyone had discovered the green mineral known as kryptonite and associate it with Kryptonians. Like why would they see a green mineral and say "ooo, I wonder if that would degrade the cells of Kryptonians". Like why would anyone look at kryptonite and think that. They didn't do a good job of selling the human discovery and use of it on Kryptonians.
The flow...the fukking flow is non existent. Scenes just appear and then disappear. There are no real transitions, no thoughtful tie-ins to make things coherent. It really feels like little teaser trailers strung together. I can tell this is footage from a much longer movie and whoever is in charge of editing may be at more fault than Snyder.
But, but Snyder still needs to be crucified for the hackneyed way Batman's origins and current story line played out. They should have just saved that for the feature movie, it was beautifully shot but it felt so incomplete and scattered. It was frustrating because you could tell there was so much more story there and they didn't really give that character room to breath and develop. They couldn't because they were trying to cram too much other stuff in.
Snyder should also be blamed for the shoddy execution of Doomsday. Luthor's acquisition of the information to create Doomsday didn't feel really credible. I didn't buy it. I also didn't like Doomsday. He never felt really real or threatening because he seemed so unreal. Too much of him was special effects and he had too much power for it not to do even more damage than the ending MoS fight. And by the way, wasn't that the whole point behind why Batman was mad at Superman, so why didn't he give any pause or sentiment about the amount of destruction he was participating in, even if it was to stop Doomsday. Doomsday ended up feeling like a plot device to unite the heroes.
And speaking of plot devices, here's where Goyer really shows he sucks at writing dialogue. That entire graveside scene between Batman and WW felt so ridiculously forced. Yes, we know you are using this movie to set up the Justice League, but no, Batman is not clairvoyant and how could he possibly know or want to assemble all of the freaks in Luthor's secret files. Why would he even think they would want to be heroes and not villians? Why isn't he probing WW more or in shock that she's so old. It's like he found out she's almost 100 years old and is like 'cool'. None of that dialogue or interaction felt real or believable. This was a writing issue.
In terms of writing, overall, this was a tedious film to watch because it was like rummaging through a flea market, trying to slug through the garbage because you know there is something good in buried in there. The pacing felt off because there was no flow. And the flow was off because there were no transitions. There were no transitions because character development and the overall story was neglected. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how many cool scenes you give me, if you can't string them together in a cohesive and plausible way, you've failed to make a good movie.