Essential The Official "All Things One Piece" Thread (The Final Saga Has Started))

[The_Sheff]

Sanji literally countered Kizaru last chapter breh.

Breh think about what you just said. You counting blocking an attack and then trying and failing to run away as a crew member contributing. Yeah I know his eyebrow switched over showing he was using his germa powers but they didn’t go anywhere with it.

With the crew members we are always waiting. The payoff never comes until the finale of fighting a lackey. They are steady stalling and running away. It’s old.

Coulda let Sanji boss up and get a couple hits in on Kizaru while saving Bonney. Nope that’s for Luffy. Everything is for Luffy.

 

[Panther]

Breh think about what you just said. You counting blocking an attack and then running away as a crew member contributing. Yeah I know his eyebrow switched over showing he was using his germa powers but they didn’t go anywhere with it.

With the crew members we always waiting. The payoff never comes until the finale of fighting a lackey. Always stalling and running away with them.

Coulda let Sanji boss up and get a couple hits in on Kizaru while saving Bonney. Nope that’s for Luffy. Everything is for Luffy.

this one of my big annoyances with this series. I know everyone loves to talk about how great the story is but lets be reality, Its the same thing every arc. Something is going to destroy the island (buster call, birdcage, big mom yelling wedding cake for 400 pages) and we're waiting for luffy to beat the big boss.

Switch it up already

 

[Space Cowboy]

this one of my big annoyances with this series. I know everyone loves to talk about how great the story is but lets be reality, Its the same thing every arc. Something is going to destroy the island (buster call, birdcage, big mom yelling wedding cake for 400 pages) and we're waiting for luffy to beat the big boss.

Switch it up already

What you expect? He the damn main character.

It has been switched up multiple times and Luffy has lost multiple times. It's a shounen and it's about Luffy giving people freedom. Just a few arcs ago Luffy got sonned by Big Mom and he didn't take out the big bad at all. He was in enemy territory running for his life. In the arc where they meet the Minks he didn't do shyt and Jack dominated. We have seen him lose his brother, have a major loss that had his crew scattered, and almost died damn near half a dozen times between poison and having a scar caused by magna wounds on his chest. In the past, all he did was run when he saw Kizaru. Now he's grabbing him and holding off an Elder in giant form. That is good storytelling. I never thought I'd have to neg in a One Piece thread but here we are.

And of course it has to be an Eagles fan.

 

[LordDeathwatch]

this one of my big annoyances with this series. I know everyone loves to talk about how great the story is but lets be reality, Its the same thing every arc. Something is going to destroy the island (buster call, birdcage, big mom yelling wedding cake for 400 pages) and we're waiting for luffy to beat the big boss.

Switch it up already

Dammit man, you can't do that here. People get defensive AF over criticism as if Oda is infallible but you get that same energy if you went into a Dragonball space and complained about Tori always stalling for Goku to save the day.

Bottom line is that for all the complexity (see consistency) it's the same formula and they do it well for the most part. Don't expect them to change.

 

[Space Cowboy]

I don't think Oda is infallible. The ending to Wano in the manga was cheeks.

But it's ridiculous to complain that One Piece is about Luffy tackling the big bad. It's like, what do you expect?

 

[The_Sheff]

What you expect? He the damn main character.

It has been switched up multiple times and Luffy has lost multiple times. It's a shounen and it's about Luffy giving people freedom. Just a few arcs ago Luffy got sonned by Big Mom and he didn't take out the big bad at all. He was in enemy territory running for his life. In the arc where they meet the Minks he didn't do shyt and Jack dominated. We have seen him lose his brother, have a major loss that had his crew scattered, and almost died damn near half a dozen times between poison and having a scar caused by magna wounds on his chest. In the past, all he did was run when he saw Kizaru. Now he's grabbing him and holding off an Elder in giant form. That is good storytelling. I never thought I'd have to neg in a One Piece thread but here we are.

And of course it has to be an Eagles fan.

The thing is, the crew dynamic is what set One Piece apart and had people really excited for the manga. It was sold as a team dynamic and everyone had different goals to work towards. Other than Zoro, nobody is even progressing toward or mentioning their goals anymore.

When is the last time Nami mentioned drawing a map, or you even seen a map? The fighting recipes and All Blue have gone out the window with Sanji. Usopp is actually going in the complete opposite direction of his stated goal.

Luffy is the only character progressing toward something now. You can maybe count Zoro and Franky by default. Speaking of Franky, for a guy who spent 2 years idolizing Vegapunk and using his technology, he sure is lacking a lot of screen time this arc.

One Piece set itself apart with the promise of something a little different but it’s turning out to be more of the same, to the detriment of lots of actually interesting characters.

 

[Space Cowboy]

The thing is, the crew dynamic is what set One Piece apart and had people really excited for the manga. It was sold as a team dynamic and everyone had different goals to work towards. Other than Zoro, nobody is even progressing toward or mentioning their goals anymore.

When is the last time Nami mentioned drawing a map, or you even seen a map? The fighting recipes and All Blue have gone out the window with Sanji. Usopp is actually going in the complete opposite direction of his stated goal.

Luffy is the only character progressing toward something now. You can maybe count Zoro and Franky by default. Speaking of Franky, for a guy who spent 2 years idolizing Vegapunk and using his technology, he sure is lacking a lot of screen time this arc.

One Piece set itself apart with the promise of something a little different but it’s turning out to be more of the same, to the detriment of lots of actually interesting characters.

I agree with you. But Oda has also worked on One Piece for nearly 30 years and if you haven't been paying attention, dude is almost at his end. One Piece also happen to be massive, which encompasses over dozens and hundreds of characters, hundreds of years of lore and history. He's had eye surgery, his art is considerably worse than it used to be. I agree that's a flaw but I've been reading since 2004. I'm beyond invested and willing to excuse flaws like this. To say it's more of the same though, is flat out ducktales. Show me a Dragon Ball arc with the storytelling quality of Egg Head. I'll wait. Matter of fact, show me any shounen with the storytelling of Egghead, especially near its end. One Piece is nearly 30 years old and almost every chapter is a fukking banger. What more do you want? Naruto went to complete shyt near its end. One Piece does what other shounen series aren't doing but at the end of the day it's still a shounen.

Many of your complaints may have to do with the fact it's not even done yet. Nami can't complete her dream the first go around because, for one, there's multiple entry ways into the New World. They started in East Blue and haven't been to North, South, or West Blue. In order to complete her dream it has to be after Luffy becomes Pirate King. Even then, Nami is my favorite characte not Luffy and she has had tremendous growth in WCI and Wano. She's been MVP in many recent stories. So far, All Blue hasn't been found yet, and a common theory is that it will be made when the Red Line is destroyed. Robin is working on her dream and is crucial to the end of the story so much so the villaiins still want to kidnap her. Usopp and Chopper are the only characters who have had a regress. You talk of Sanji when he has had an entire damn arc dedicated to him and his development even though it's not related to All Blue. You sound like you're picking nits. Especially given the fact that One Piece is a slow burn story. It took Oda over a decade to build up that Kuma story and we just got it a few weeks ago.

How long have you been reading One Piece?

Talking about,"what about this and what about this?" in a story when Vegapunk is going to reveal the Void Century, something that has had decades of build up in the next damn chapter. Matter of fact, Vegapunk's very existence was built up for decades and here he is now. Talking about,"what about this? and what about that?" in this long running, slow burn story. Dumb dumb nitpick shyt.


Got people complaining about "what about this?" and "Why is Luffy always taking on villains?" when the Void Century is going to be revealed in the next damn chapter as if any of us give a single fukk. You clearly can't please some people.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

They gotta start letting some characters other than Luffy do shyt. They have to do more than just fighting the sidekicks at the end of an arc again.

Nah I wouldn’t say that. You got usopp over here being a bytch hiding behind nami and chopper. Zoro and sanji be holding his own so is frankly, broook and robin. DBZ you only got Goku doing all the work while everyone else practilly useless

 

[Crayola Coyote]

What you expect? He the damn main character.

It has been switched up multiple times and Luffy has lost multiple times. It's a shounen and it's about Luffy giving people freedom. Just a few arcs ago Luffy got sonned by Big Mom and he didn't take out the big bad at all. He was in enemy territory running for his life. In the arc where they meet the Minks he didn't do shyt and Jack dominated. We have seen him lose his brother, have a major loss that had his crew scattered, and almost died damn near half a dozen times between poison and having a scar caused by magna wounds on his chest. In the past, all he did was run when he saw Kizaru. Now he's grabbing him and holding off an Elder in giant form. That is good storytelling. I never thought I'd have to neg in a One Piece thread but here we are.

And of course it has to be an Eagles fan.

Eagles fan slander

 

[teacher]

A scene in the intro that appeared to be passed the point of Kidd having to lean back for a second time.

How so?

 

[Kenny West]

I agree with you. But Oda has also worked on One Piece for nearly 30 years and if you haven't been paying attention, dude is almost at his end. One Piece also happen to be massive, which encompasses over dozens and hundreds of characters, hundreds of years of lore and history. He's had eye surgery, his art is considerably worse than it used to be. I agree that's a flaw but I've been reading since 2004. I'm beyond invested and willing to excuse flaws like this. To say it's more of the same though, is flat out ducktales. Show me a Dragon Ball arc with the storytelling quality of Egg Head. I'll wait. Matter of fact, show me any shounen with the storytelling of Egghead, especially near its end. One Piece is nearly 30 years old and almost every chapter is a fukking banger. What more do you want? Naruto went to complete shyt near its end. One Piece does what other shounen series aren't doing but at the end of the day it's still a shounen.

Many of your complaints may have to do with the fact it's not even done yet. Nami can't complete her dream the first go around because, for one, there's multiple entry ways into the New World. They started in East Blue and haven't been to North, South, or West Blue. In order to complete her dream it has to be after Luffy becomes Pirate King. Even then, Nami is my favorite characte not Luffy and she has had tremendous growth in WCI and Wano. She's been MVP in many recent stories. So far, All Blue hasn't been found yet, and a common theory is that it will be made when the Red Line is destroyed. Robin is working on her dream and is crucial to the end of the story so much so the villaiins still want to kidnap her. Usopp and Chopper are the only characters who have had a regress. You talk of Sanji when he has had an entire damn arc dedicated to him and his development even though it's not related to All Blue. You sound like you're picking nits. Especially given the fact that One Piece is a slow burn story. It took Oda over a decade to build up that Kuma story and we just got it a few weeks ago.

How long have you been reading One Piece?

Talking about,"what about this and what about this?" in a story when Vegapunk is going to reveal the Void Century, something that has had decades of build up in the next damn chapter. Matter of fact, Vegapunk's very existence was built up for decades and here he is now. Talking about,"what about this? and what about that?" in this long running, slow burn story. Dumb dumb nitpick shyt.


Got people complaining about "what about this?" and "Why is Luffy always taking on villains?" when the Void Century is going to be revealed in the next damn chapter as if any of us give a single fukk. You clearly can't please some people.

Facts

The bigger issue here is that "usefulness" is being boiled down to winning fights which is such a basic ass battle shounen line of thought, the Dragonball comparison being thrown in just makes it ironic. Fighting is Luffy's lane and that sentiment was made clear way back in the Arlong arc



Last arc Chopper cured a highly infectious disease he only learned about minutes before, Robin got another poneglyph, Zoro got a new sword etc. most of the crews goals are endgame type shyt anyway.

If anything my biggest gripe with current OP is it's paced too fast with so many concurrent events happening at once that the story can only touch on hype events or worse, offscreen them. A younger healthier Oda would probably depict Zoro vs Lucci but nowadays it gets touched on every few chapters until we get one where it's suddenly resolved. This has been going on since Dressrosa. Compared to the fully fleshed out Alabasta scenes

It sucks but hopefully the One Piece Kai animated series in the future gets a good director that will flesh all that out

 

[Space Cowboy]

Facts

The bigger issue here is that "usefulness" is being boiled down to winning fights which is such a basic ass battle shounen line of thought, the Dragonball comparison being thrown in just makes it ironic. Fighting is Luffy's lane and that sentiment was made clear way back in the Arlong arc



Last arc Chopper cured a highly infectious disease he only learned about minutes before, Robin got another poneglyph, Zoro got a new sword etc. most of the crews goals are endgame type shyt anyway.

If anything my biggest gripe with current OP is it's paced too fast with so many concurrent events happening at once that the story can only touch on hype events or worse, offscreen them. A younger healthier Oda would probably depict Zoro vs Lucci but nowadays it gets touched on every few chapters until we get one where it's suddenly resolved. This has been going on since Dressrosa. Compared to the fully fleshed out Alabasta scenes

It sucks but hopefully the One Piece Kai animated series in the future gets a good director that will flesh all that out

Agreed. The anime, if you haven't been watching, has improved A LOT. Start watching that. It improved Wano's ending in spades. I'm sure they'll give more Zoro vs Lucci.

To be fair, the guy I quoted brought up non combat related goals like All Blue and Nami's world map. But he failed to mention is how characters like Nami still grow. Nami could have been a racist and hate Fishmen after what Arlong and his crew did to her. Instead she had no hate in her heart and had mercy for the Fishmen on Fishman Island and even for Hachi. Look at my girls growth on WCI, obtaining Zeus, taming that stormy ass cloud and being Luffy's backup. She's One Piece's Yamcha and she's still making moves this late in the story. Even if she's not too much of a combat fighter she's still great support even if when she doesn't fight. They'd be dead without Nami and she saves the day MULTIPLE TIMES but oh no, that doesn't count because we haven't seen her draw her world map. I admit I'd like to see it, but I'm waiting for end game and the epilogue to cast any judgement.

By this point in the story of DB, everyone was useless unless they were Saiyan's and even Gohan, who saved the day the previous arc, had been turned into a complete jobber. Compare this arc to Buu Saga. We just saw Sanji block Kizaru, and now Zoro is going head to head with an awakened Lucci. These complaints feel so crazy to me because of that.

 

[No1]

Agreed. The anime, if you haven't been watching, has improved A LOT. Start watching that. It improved Wano's ending in spades. I'm sure they'll give more Zoro vs Lucci.

To be fair, the guy I quoted brought up non combat related goals like All Blue and Nami's world map. But he failed to mention is how characters like Nami still grow. Nami could have been a racist and hate Fishmen after what Arlong and his crew did to her. Instead she had no hate in her heart and had mercy for the Fishmen on Fishman Island and even for Hachi. Look at my girls growth on WCI, obtaining Zeus, taming that stormy ass cloud and being Luffy's backup. She's One Piece's Yamcha and she's still making moves this late in the story. Even if she's not too much of a combat fighter she's still great support even if when she doesn't fight. They'd be dead without Nami and she saves the day MULTIPLE TIMES but oh no, that doesn't count because we haven't seen her draw her world map. I admit I'd like to see it, but I'm waiting for end game and the epilogue to cast any judgement.

By this point in the story of DB, everyone was useless unless they were Saiyan's and even Gohan, who saved the day the previous arc, had been turned into a complete jobber. Compare this arc to Buu Saga. We just saw Sanji block Kizaru, and now Zoro is going head to head with an awakened Lucci. These complaints feel so crazy to me because of that.

Where do you go to watch the anime?

 

[Space Cowboy]

Where do you go to watch the anime?

Crunchyroll

 

[Panther]

What you expect? He the damn main character.

It has been switched up multiple times and Luffy has lost multiple times. It's a shounen and it's about Luffy giving people freedom. Just a few arcs ago Luffy got sonned by Big Mom and he didn't take out the big bad at all. He was in enemy territory running for his life. In the arc where they meet the Minks he didn't do shyt and Jack dominated. We have seen him lose his brother, have a major loss that had his crew scattered, and almost died damn near half a dozen times between poison and having a scar caused by magna wounds on his chest. In the past, all he did was run when he saw Kizaru. Now he's grabbing him and holding off an Elder in giant form. That is good storytelling. I never thought I'd have to neg in a One Piece thread but here we are.

And of course it has to be an Eagles fan.

breh look at the new world arcs, they basically all have the same format and its getting stale.

Im glad we're FINALLY getting void century info, but the truth is oda could speed this shyt up. While i like one piece it has a ton of fluff with all of the background with all the characters from every island. GET TO THE fukkING POINT before we're all old and grey. Im at the point where i think one piece being this fukking long hurts more than helps

And i dont have an issue with luffy fighting the big boss in each arc but we could do without the "oh no the island is going to be destroyed trope each time" and him getting these convenient breaks to eat and recharge while ducking the smoke