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this book included the 6,000 year old earth theory, which is generally accepted by Christians, or people that call themselves "Christians".
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This is false. Most 'Christians' believe the Earth to be a few billion years old.​

Slater speaks on the oldest human remains found in east Africa, He even acknowledges that people debate the reliability of the methods used to date these fossils. But accepts that is the best info/methods we have and we should not automatically ignore it because it seems to go against ones religion.
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Cheikh Anta Diop put forth the theory and it has been widely accepted since the 70's.​

Thales of Miletis (circa 624bce-547bce). One of the 1st Greeks to study in Kemet, became known as 1 of the 7 sages of Greece.
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This is a myth developed through tradition. There is no evidence of Thales traveling to Egypt or even knowing how to read their language.
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Pythagorus (570bce-495bce) Studied astronomy and geometry in Kemet for 22 years.
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This is false. Pythagoras studied in Egypt for 10 years. He went there in 535 BCE, then Egypt was invaded by Persia in 525 BCE and he was taken to Babylon as a prisoner. He escaped in 520 BCE and went back to Samos.
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Slater addresses the belief that Ancient Kemet was originally a polytheistic society. He disagrees and explains why. He goes further and recounts an ancient Kemetian creation story, and claims that it is the earliest know spiritual writings in Human history. He refers to the "Shabaka Stone" and "Leiden Papyrus" to describe the Creator and Creation story. The main jist is that there was originally 1 supreme force, but many manifestations came out of it. This also shows that Africans believed in 1original creator, before Judaism, Christianity, or Islam existed.
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He can disagree all he wants, but the fact of the matter is that Egypt was a polytheistic society proven by thousands of archaeological finds and documents. There were MANY 'creation' stories in Egypt. Some African tribes did believe in one 'supreme creator', but most were 'animists' and worshiped their ancestors as well as most living (and non-living) things. Animism is the basis for ALL religious thought and practice. The Shabaka Stone is indicative of henotheism (one 'diety', Ptah, reigning supreme over lesser 'deities'). The Leyden Papyrus dates to the 2nd Century CE.

I've already posted about the 42 Negative Confessions, so, no need to dig that up again.

I've seen this vid before and researched his claims. While interesting, his 'facts' tend to be no more than conjecture. There is absolutely NO need to make African civilization more important than what it was.​
 
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Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
This is false. Most 'Christians' believe the Earth to be a few billion years old.
Do they believe this because of the bible? And would you disagree if i said that most "Christians" aren't actually Christians, nor have they even researched the scriptures in a no- bias setting, so their opinion is more inline with atheists and Muslims​



Cheikh Anta Diop put forth the theory and it has been widely accepted since the 70's.
Ok so we all agree​



This is a myth developed through tradition. There is no evidence of Thales traveling to Egypt or even knowing how to read their language.
Ok and what about the other Greek scholars? Are all those claims false too?
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This is false. Pythagoras studied in Egypt for 10 years. He went there in 535 BCE, then Egypt was invaded by Persia in 525 BCE and he was taken to Babylon as a prisoner. He escaped in 520 BCE and went back to Samos.
So we agree that he did study there? The time can be debated, but I think the point is that 'THEY' came to 'US' to learn. We were advanced scientifically and spiritually.
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He can disagree all he wants, but the fact of the matter is that Egypt was a polytheistic society proven by thousands of archaeological finds and documents. Who? Can you link me sources? I don't doubt you, but the reason I ask is because certain people have been manipulating our history and self-perception for ages. These people also happen to have power, money, weapons, and influence over US... When I know who the researchers are, or who/where their funding comes from, it allows me to better interpret where they're coming from, and any potential hidden agendas... Also, ancient Egypt/Kemet has been around since at least 5000bc... Akenaten brought monotheism BACK to Kemet during his reign.. So yes, ancient Kemites may have lost their way and the religion may have been interpreted differently by future Kemites (or invaders:mjpls:), but that doesn't mean they didn't believe in 1 supreme creator. Look how difficult it is for Islam to be interpreted, yet Muslims tell us that not one word in the Quran has been changed since circa 600ad.

There were MANY 'creation' stories in Egypt. Some African tribes did believe in one 'supreme creator', tea,
like the ancient Kemites and Kushytes? Ancient Dogons of MaLi also had a similar creation story. They were also advanced in astronomy for their time, but this is specifically about ancient Kemet, not the revised cac-suprememacist version we been programmed with..

but most were 'animists' and worshiped their ancestors as well as most living (and non-living) things. Some say 'worship', some say 'give thanks', some say 'revere'.
Animism is the basis for ALL religious thought and practice. The Shabaka Stone is indicative of henotheism (one 'diety', Ptah, reigning supreme over lesser 'deities'). The Leyden Papyrus dates to the 2nd Century CE.


I've already posted about the 42 Negative Confessions, so, no need to dig that up again.
I appreciated your view on it; although we probably still dont agree on it, its given me a different way on how one interprets the data presented

I've seen this vid before and researched his claims. While interesting, his 'facts' tend to be no more than conjecture. Compared to who? I look to non-c00nesque African Scholars 1st because I know Europeans and Arabs would laugh at US for making claims about their history in their land if, and when we do look deeper. Who do you look to? ​
I see that Anta Diop is one we can find common ground on
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There is absolutely NO need to make African civilization more important than what it was.

I disagree, but I dont even believe thats what we're doing...If we really wanted to make African civ more important than it is, we would be teaching our children the same thing these European Jews teach their kids, and the rest of us. I don't believe anyone is making it "more important", I believe its about restoring what has been destroyed, hidden, and lied about. It's about not automatically placing other peoples opinions, and research above our own (which i admit we dont have enough of). It's about us using history as a reference to how other people have, and still treat us to this very day. These people been using the same tactics since Rome crushed the buildings, and I know I'm not the only one who sees it​
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MaLi said:
Do they believe this because of the bible? And would you disagree if i said that most "Christians" aren't actually Christians, nor have they even researched the scriptures in a no- bias setting, so their opinion is more inline with atheists and Muslims
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They believe it because there is nothing in the text that states how old the Earth is and Christians aren't opposed to science. That's another myth. You'd have to define 'Christian' for anyone to agree or disagree with you. It isn't necessary for anyone to research the 'scriptures'.
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Ok and what about the other Greek scholars? Are all those claims false too?
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Most of those claims are either false or unverifiable, but that isn't a big deal. The problem is trying to make Egypt into something more than what it was while forgetting the other great civilizations that flourished on the continent.
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MaLi said:
Who? Can you link me sources? I don't doubt you, but the reason I ask is because certain people have been manipulating our history and self-perception for ages. These people also happen to have power, money, weapons, and influence over US... When I know who the researchers are, or who/where their funding comes from, it allows me to better interpret where they're coming from, and any potential hidden agendas... Also, ancient Egypt/Kemet has been around since at least 5000bc... Akenaten brought monotheism BACK to Kemet during his reign.. So yes, ancient Kemites may have lost their way and the religion may have been interpreted differently by future Kemites (or invaders), but that doesn't mean they didn't believe in 1 supreme creator. Look how difficult it is for Islam to be interpreted, yet Muslims tell us that not one word in the Quran has been changed since circa 600ad.
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Human civilization in the Ancient Near East/Southeast Asia predates Egyptian civilization by a few thousand years. Akhenaten's worship of the Aten died with him and went no further than his immediate family. No one can say with any degree of certainty if monotheism existed in Africa prior to then since there is no evidence confirming or denying it. Islam isn't difficult to interpret, the Qu'ran is because of the way it is written. As far as it being 'changed', that's superfluous. All books have been edited to make them easier to read without changing the meaning of the text. The issue with reading ancient texts is not reading them in the proper context and, thereby, reading into the text meaning not intended by the authors.
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MaLi said:
like the ancient Kemites and Kushytes? Ancient Dogons of MaLi also had a similar creation story. They were also advanced in astronomy for their time, but this is specifically about ancient Kemet, not the revised cac-suprememacist version we been programmed with..
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Everyone in the region held similar beliefs. You can't point to one group and say they originated it since they all pretty much shared it. As far as the Dogon being 'advanced', that's also a myth. Their knowledge of the cosmos extended to what they could see with the naked eye and later embellishments as they came into contact with more advanced civilizations.

MaLi said:
I disagree, but I dont even believe thats what we're doing...If we really wanted to make African civ more important than it is, we would be teaching our children the same thing these European Jews teach their kids, and the rest of us. I don't believe anyone is making it "more important", I believe its about restoring what has been destroyed, hidden, and lied about. It's about not automatically placing other peoples opinions, and research above our own (which i admit we dont have enough of). It's about us using history as a reference to how other people have, and still treat us to this very day. These people been using the same tactics since Rome crushed the buildings, and I know I'm not the only one who sees it
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If you want to make African civilization more pertinent to the rest of the world, you can start by not concentrating your research in one portion of the continent. 'Black' people in the West don't come from Egypt but from the civilizations of Mali, Songhai, Ashanti, Yoruba, Ghana, etc. One could say they are even more important (and pertinent) than Egypt to us here for that reason alone.​
 
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Dafunkdoc_Unlimited said:
They believe it because there is nothing in the text that states how old the Earth is and Christians aren't opposed to science. That's another myth. You'd have to define 'Christian' for anyone to agree or disagree with you. It isn't necessary for anyone to research the 'scriptures'.
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Most of those claims are either false or unverifiable, but that isn't a big deal. The problem is trying to make Egypt into something more than what it was while forgetting the other great civilizations that flourished on the continent.
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Human civilization in the Ancient Near East/Southeast Asia predates Egyptian civilization by a few thousand years. Akhenaten's worship of the Aten died with him and went no further than his immediate family. No one can say with any degree of certainty if monotheism existed in Africa prior to then since there is no evidence confirming or denying it. Islam isn't difficult to interpret, the Qu'ran is because of the way it is written. As far as it being 'changed', that's superfluous. All books have been edited to make them easier to read without changing the meaning of the text. The issue with reading ancient texts is not reading them in the proper context and, thereby, reading into the text meaning not intended by the authors.
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Everyone in the region held similar beliefs. You can't point to one group and say they originated it since they all pretty much shared it. As far as the Dogon being 'advanced', that's also a myth. Their knowledge of the cosmos extended to what they could see with the naked eye and later embellishments as they came into contact with more advanced civilizations.



If you want to make African civilization more pertinent to the rest of the world, you can start by not concentrating your research in one portion of the continent. 'Black' people in the West don't come from Egypt but from the civilizations of Mali, Songhai, Ashanti, Yoruba, Ghana, etc. One could say they are even more important (and pertinent) than Egypt to us here for that reason alone.​
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West africans do descend from Egypt, ever heard of migrations? Theres a reason why black people focus such on kemet in a similar way to whites focusing in Greco-roman..
 
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the French Revolution was more important then any African Empire... or any of african history really in terms of social change
 
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