what about his comments piss you off? he basically says it could be a bunch of different factors and doesn’t pinpoint anything specifically
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My problem with that whole "pitcher isn't good 3rd or 4th time thru the lineup" is =
First of all, that's an average. So Gerrit Cole might have a .260 BAA the 4th time thru the lineup. Or whatever it is.
But 4th time thru the lineup vs the Braves isn't 4th time thru the lineup vs the Tigers. But the shyt gets treated the same by the decision makers. It's bullshyt.
And secondly, it doesn't take into consideration how the pitcher is looking AT THE MOMENT. It's like investing. Right? Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results. You have to adjust.
He hinted at innings in his answer and I suspect that's where the bulk of the blame will go.
That doesn't matter to me a whole lot.
The best players were the best players.
Elite guys on the juice became more elite.
The scrubs on the juice were scrubs, or inconsistent at best. Steroids didn't make Brady Anderson into a Hall of famer.
Nester Cortes 8 scoreless innings tonight
I agree if the guy is dealing, it shouldn't matter what his trends say. But, then you watch games where the pitchers velocity is down or he's not finding the corner etc. You just know it is going to bite him if his trends say X. Even if the lineup he's facing aren't world beaters. It's why you'll have a day where someone comes out blazing on a team that is batting .236 collectively. But, then they tee off on him that third time through. I see it a lot with our local AA team. They try to stretch the guys and somedays dude will be dealing, but then he'll just start getting smacked. Then you see them jump into the bullpen game. Which that is one thing that really pisses me off about a lot of modern day baseball. Guy's got a 100+ pitch but he's also prone to home runs so you bring him in with runners at the corner and 1 out cause he's going to overpower the batter then gets smacked.
Only got him on one of my squads this year. I was hoping to get him in at least of my 3 most contested leagues.
The 3rd/4th time through the lineups stats are the biggest farce in baseball. The sample size is so ridiculously small compared to the first two times through. They're facing nine the first two times through but if the second guy gets a hit the third time through, how many times is the pitcher getting pulled on the spot, regardless of the contact made? So you're taking a hypothetical 2-9 stretch vs. 1-2 and then fear mongering that opponents are hitting .500 the third time through with zero context.
Because the main difference between pitchers today and 20 years ago is these guys today are throwing max effort on most of their pitches, which is the opposite of what older pitchers did. Guys were not dropping like flies like this back in the day and there were 40+ guys throwing 200+ innings two decades ago compared to five now.
Mark Buehrle threw 200+ innings every season from 2001-2014. In his final season, 2015, he threw 198.2. You look at all the vast majority of good/great pitchers from a couple decades ago and they all had heavy workloads without significant injuries. Why was that? What are the main differences between today and back then? It's the amount of effort being put into every pitch and the heavy emphasis on breaking balls, which puts even more stress on the arm.
Occam's razor; the simplest solution is often the right one. I don't know why everyone involved is afraid to say the truth.
Tigers have such a cake schedule to start the season. The five worst offenses in baseball are them, A's, Twins, White Sox and Mets. They're getting killed by the Pirates right now but their next four are against Minnesota after this two-game set.
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tremonthustler1
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Because then they’d have to admit they’re wasting too much time and resources on what’s supposed to be a guide or a reference point rather than a Bible to manage a team.
There has to be one team with common sense looking around saying, "we need to go in a different direction because this is not sustainable. These other fools can keep insisting on this madness but we will not."
