The Official 2024-25 MLB Hot Stove Thread
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I don't know what's going on with this cap convo. Feels like we already covered just about all of it anyway in the dead spots of December, it's time for spring training now lol
There's no circumstance where a cap is good for the league whether we think people are paid what they should be or not, feels crazy even typing that lol. You can't just hold up a different sport's business model and say abc = 123 like everything's equal
Whether players are properly paid or not.....well who's handing out the contracts? NBA owners for the most part pay players, even perpetually bad teams like the Wizards hand out max contracts and try to improve around the edges to keep the money rolling in. You'd have to go back to Donald Sterling to find an owner that just flat out refused to be competitive in free agency. How many bad teams last year in baseball made zero moves this offseason? Too many. How's a cap or floor help when you have to threaten teams with penalties to even spend the free hundreds of millions they get in sharing?
Everybody's not a contender, some teams don't want to be. Either know that as a fan and accept it for what it is and have a good time, find another team, or if you can't do any of those, hate to say it but don't watch. Doesn't make too much sense to change the system to put teams in positions they don't want to be in in the first place.
There's no circumstance where a cap is good for the league whether we think people are paid what they should be or not, feels crazy even typing that lol. You can't just hold up a different sport's business model and say abc = 123 like everything's equal
Whether players are properly paid or not.....well who's handing out the contracts? NBA owners for the most part pay players, even perpetually bad teams like the Wizards hand out max contracts and try to improve around the edges to keep the money rolling in. You'd have to go back to Donald Sterling to find an owner that just flat out refused to be competitive in free agency. How many bad teams last year in baseball made zero moves this offseason? Too many. How's a cap or floor help when you have to threaten teams with penalties to even spend the free hundreds of millions they get in sharing?
Everybody's not a contender, some teams don't want to be. Either know that as a fan and accept it for what it is and have a good time, find another team, or if you can't do any of those, hate to say it but don't watch. Doesn't make too much sense to change the system to put teams in positions they don't want to be in in the first place.
You don't get revenue sharing if you don't spend to the floor.
The Marlins are getting $70 million in revenue sharing this year and that's more than their current payroll.
There's already a cap too: The Competitive Balance Tax.
With no cap. If the owners aren't going to pay up it's on the players to make them pay up. The downside of that is likely a players strike.
The owners aren't going to stop their revenue sharing benefits. The players either stick with the current pay situation or force the owners to pay what they owe. The service time rules are already bullshyt. If you want the owners to pay more the players have to take a stand.
That's a strike/work stoppage endgame
The owners aren't going to stop their revenue sharing benefits. The players either stick with the current pay situation or force the owners to pay what they owe. The service time rules are already bullshyt. If you want the owners to pay more the players have to take a stand.
That's a strike/work stoppage endgame
What's your point? Floor to penalize the Marlins, A's, Reds then cap to penalize everybody else?You don't get revenue sharing if you don't spend to the floor.
The Marlins are getting $70 million in revenue sharing this year and that's more than their current payroll.
Like you've been asked multiple times, how's that good overall? Teams doing the bare minimum now and not even that are still going to do that even with a floor. Players will squeeze out a little more from the bottom feeders but overall still won't be paid like they should. Meanwhile, teams actually spending are capped. Minimum and average salaries have been going up, again whether the system's fair or not. A cap could obviously change things.
If they're not going to do it with free money, they're not going to play fair even if you "make" them, so fukk them. I don't even understand why this many words have been typed in favor of the Marlins & A's
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Now that I'm with. It looks wild rn because of what the Dodgers, Yankees, & Mets have done but I don't see a major "system" problem. Every offseason won't be like the last 2, we probably won't see this spending for a while at least from the Dodgers anyway. There's 100% an ownership problem and that's worse than a CBA issue, you can patch those. You're not getting rid of an owner unless they die or the mistress gets cut off and leaks race play audio tapes lol
Just like they won't stop revenue sharing, they won't sign off on anything that puts a stop to it. Which is why all this talk about a cap/floor is crazy. The players definitely don't want it and most owners deep down don't either because of what'll happen with the money
As far as the players, the middle tier needs to be paid a lot more and they need to be free agents way earlier. All things already said. If anything needs to change it's that stuff, all that is a benefit to the owners. Now we're talking about giving them a cap too so we can give them a floor they can do the bare minimum to. Lmao absolutely not
Yeah it sucks Skenes is on a team not interested in winning and his best case scenario is he gets wasted while the worst case is he gets Tommy John and loses velocity. But it doesn't have to be that way....who's the ones signing the checks and could put a team around him if they wanted to? Instead they spent the whole offseason harassing an 11 year old with tickets for 30 years and Livvy Dunne
So forcing Miami and whatever the A's are into spending $150+ million is a bad thing now.What's your point? Floor to penalize the Marlins, A's, Reds then cap to penalize everybody else?
Like you've been asked multiple times, how's that good overall? Teams doing the bare minimum now and not even that are still going to do that even with a floor. Players will squeeze out a little more from the bottom feeders but overall still won't be paid like they should. Meanwhile, teams actually spending are capped. Minimum and average salaries have been going up, again whether the system's fair or not. A cap could obviously change things.
If they're not going to do it with free money, they're not going to play fair even if you "make" them, so fukk them. I don't even understand why this many words have been typed in favor of the Marlins & A's
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