The Official 2020 NBA Draft Talk Thread (11/18)

[#1 pick]

Mader has a nice game, but I don't know if it's going to translate into the NBA. At his size, you need to be about to shoot/score at a high level to crack a rotation, and he hasn't shown that ability, as of yet. Since his game resembles Tony Parker's, it's not really a style of play that's relevant in today's climate either.

Just being really athletic is not enough for a modern PG. That's to hardest position to make in Basketball right now when it was one of the easiest in 2004 if you had just some NBA qualities. Look at Elie Okobo for example. Look like French Westbrook athletically in Europe. In the NBA, he's doesn't have a place. It's unlikely that he stays in this league after his deal ends.

I take pick-up games very seriously. I remember players hyping Westbrook as he was dominating pros in UCLA/USC summer pickup games. It's not an end all be all or Michael Beasley would be a superstar but things like that matter. Gilbert touched on this as well about NBA guys and NCAA guys. Giannis to me would have struggled if he signed out of Greece with a team like PITT or Wake because he's a pro player, not a college player.



I do think he's better than a player like Mannion but Mannion's potential as an NBA fit is just much better. We know he can play in an open style game. His athleticism is much better. His passing translates a lot more but he's not polished at all. Ideally, he should have returned to Zona.

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Tua got a wild boner for project overseas players and chip on their shoulder cacs Im starting to notice

Lol just noticed him while watching Deni and he stood out. Don't think I've mentioned any other international players

 

[tremonthustler1]

I mean, Wiseman on the Hornets sort of makes sense, but cotdamn it's going to be ugly as hell before it gets any better. There are no vets on the team to feed nor mentor him, and there's no semblance of any structure either. Traditional bigs need that more than any other position.

It makes too much sense for either side. If [redacted] moves down, they can still get one of two options they can live with + something extra for their troubles and Charlotte leapfrogs Golden State. If Golden State concedes a trade possibility and takes Deni, then that’s even better.

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

You got that right. Jags fan in the building.

At this point I'm just plugging my ears and going "lalalala"



That's kind of how I view it, it's really based on location and culture. A team like GS don't want him taking 15 shots a game, so he's going to be asked to defend on a night to night basis and he may prove himself up to that challenge since his minutes and reputation will be at stake. If you aren't putting much effort into the offensive end then you're going to put that effort in somewhere, so yeah I can see him developing as a two-way player there.

Now if you drop him in Charlotte or some shyt you can forget about it, dude's gonna have the greenlight so you might as well bring somebody else in to cover his assignment.

I said Minshew would need a great OL and weapons

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Minshew still on pace to throw for over 4000 yards w/ 30 TDs to 10 Ints and 66% comp. Statistically he's up there with anyone in terms of putting up numbers this early as a QB. It's not his fault Jags are tanking instead of trying to win

 

[#1 pick]

I mean, Wiseman on the Hornets sort of makes sense, but cotdamn it's going to be ugly as hell before it gets any better. There are no vets on the team to feed nor mentor him, and there's no semblance of any structure either. Traditional bigs need that more than any other position.

I am so not high on Wiseman. Yes, I have him having the highest ceiling in this class with Ball and Edwards. But I don't think he's going to reach it.

Passing skills - Limited
Finishing - Limited and lacks high end-explosiveness
Shooting touch is a tad rough.
Awareness can be up and down.

I love his mobility, length, size, straight-line speed, and talent level but man, he's not polished on offense like Ayton and defensively, he's up and down and doesn't have the lateral mobility of Robinson. I do think he has value but I think you can find guys like him with no potential on a scrap heap for the min for a contender like McGee and Howard. The potential is there but man, the league really doesn't favor bigs who aren't elite defenders or elite playmakers. He has a lot more defensive potential than Ayton and look how much better his defense got over the years so I guess it ain't too bad for Charlotte.

 

[#1 pick]

It makes too much sense for either side. If [redacted] moves down, they can still get one of two options they can live with + something extra for their troubles and Charlotte leapfrogs Golden State. If Golden State concedes a trade possibility and takes Deni, then that’s even better.

That would be the worst decision in Charlotte's history. Take Wiseman, Edwards, or Ball. Moving up in this draft ain't the business.

 

[SchoolboyC]

I mean, Wiseman on the Hornets sort of makes sense, but cotdamn it's going to be ugly as hell before it gets any better. There are no vets on the team to feed nor mentor him, and there's no semblance of any structure either. Traditional bigs need that more than any other position.

No vets to mentor him? This is shameful Bismack Biyombo disrespect

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I am so not high on Wiseman. Yes, I have him having the highest ceiling in this class with Ball and Edwards. But I don't think he's going to reach it.

Passing skills - Limited
Finishing - Limited and lacks high end-explosiveness
Shooting touch is a tad rough.
Awareness can be up and down.

I love his mobility, length, size, straight-line speed, and talent level but man, he's not polished on offense like Ayton and defensively, he's up and down and doesn't have the lateral mobility of Robinson. I do think he has value but I think you can find guys like him with no potential on a scrap heap for the min for a contender like McGee and Howard. The potential is there but man, the league really doesn't favor bigs who aren't elite defenders or elite playmakers. He has a lot more defensive potential than Ayton and look how much better his defense got over the years so I guess it ain't too bad for Charlotte.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I just don't see it with him.



It's going to take an insurmountable amount of factors for him to exist as a star in this league, that he really needs near-perfect conditions to reach a point where whatever potential he has can be realized. His lack of offensive polish is made worse by the fact that he plays beneath and/or away from the rim, which is wild for someone with his size. Defense is going to be another hurdle for him too.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No vets to mentor him? This is shameful Bismack Biyombo disrespect

Biyombo and Wiseman's pops probably around the same age.

 

[Left.A1]

How the fukk can you equate sporadic minutes and different roles to this dumb shyt?

When he got a stable role and consistent minutes, which he only did in the domestic league, he was shooting above 40% from behind the arc. It's no coincidence that his high-level of play in this main role netted him the Israeli league MVP. You don't think young players need stabilization to perform consistently well? You don't think if young players get fluctuating minutes and drastically different roles/touches from game-to-game that their shooting percentages will reflect that?

Consistent role and minutes over generous sample size (IBSL) = Deni shoots above 40% from 3. That's what he proved.

Amid coronavirus, basketball to return to Israel - with caveats


The Israeli Basketball League shut down in March and re-opened in June with Maccabi playing their 1st of 12 games on June 21st ... in that extremely small sample size of post covid games Deni returned to ....I've conveniently posted his game logs below:

Deni Avdija Game Logs, Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv, News, Rumors, International Stats, Events Stats, Awards - RealGM


In the 12 returning games Deni posted 3 point numbers of

-3pt game totals & Date

1-4 July 28

0-4 July 26

2-7 July 23

0-3 July 21

2-7 July 18

^IBSL Playoff Tournament Starts 7/18

1-6 July 12

1-4 July 9

4-8 July 6

3-6 July 2

3-7 June 29

2-5 June 25

2-3 June 21


21/64 = 32.8%= TRASH



- not the 40%++++++ this Fake Fraud Fugazi ass Fran Fraschilla knockoff is in here looking like a damn buffoon LYING about ... to even get to that number you'd have to PURPOSELY IGNORE the 5 playoff games he played in to close the season and base a whole disingenuous argument on a sample size of only 7 total games


To dive even deeper In fact.. Deni made 47% of his 21 makes all in a hot 3 game stretch when regular season play resumed and in the other 9 games he shot 11-43 a pathetic 25% ...notice how the gimmick poster didn't give that kind of "context" during his rambling ass babble or that the IBSL is the far less competitive division than the Euro League where Deni shot a horrendous 28% from 3 on 1.8 attempts a game against better players



Once again folks .... the numbers are right in the link he clearly hasn't proved shyt as a shooter and still needs work to get to the level anyone would expect out of a plus shooter (which he may have done with all the time off this year due to covid) ..but it just highlights another day and another pathetic @GimmickScott-Heroin low integrity thread hijacking being exposed as I've grown accustomed to doing time and time and time again.... what makes this piece of grifting so sad is that I didn't even want to expose this goofball until he quoted me as I wanted to see just how long he would keep lying relentlessly in this thread



And of course ... yet and still he couldn't help himself because he's shameless






Now keep me out of your compulsive lying schizophrenic gimmicky ass quotes you fukking weirdo ...have some damn dignity or integrity for once jesus christ

 

[Left.A1]

This all comes back to you referencing his overall 3-pt shooting percentage of 33% and using it as the basis for insinuating he can't shoot. I told you that it doesn't give you an accurate representation of his shooting ability. If he played the exact same role, had similar touches, and played similar minutes all throughout the season, then, of course, you could use that percentage to make that argument. But that was far from the case.

Next time, if you don't know how to contextualize stats properly (which you have a history of), don't bother using them.

This nut ass nikka actually thought this wall of Bimbo Babble was actually getting a read

 

[Left.A1]

lot of juelzing... this is some espn shyt where they look for home splits, in the month of june, while the player's mama is in the stands to find the absolute best brush to paint a picture with

its okay. he's not a shooter yet. maybe he will be, maybe he won't. the form is there so who knows. you ain't gotta roll out of bed slinging negs, butthurt, proving to everyone you still crazy

The story of @Gimmick Scott-Heroin posting career unfortunately ... as we've all seen far too many times now

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Israeli Basketball League shut down in March and re-opened in June with Maccabi playing their 1st of 12 games on June 21st ... in that extremely small sample size of post covid games Deni returned to ....I've conveniently posted his game logs below:

Deni Avdija Game Logs, Maccabi FOX Tel Aviv, News, Rumors, International Stats, Events Stats, Awards - RealGM


In the 12 returning games Deni posted 3 point numbers of

-3pt game totals & Date

1-4 July 28

0-4 July 26

2-7 July 23

0-3 July 21

2-7 July 18

^IBSL Playoff Tournament Starts 7/18

1-6 July 12

1-4 July 9

4-8 July 6

3-6 July 2

3-7 June 29

2-5 June 25

2-3 June 21


21/64 = 32.8%= TRASH



- not the 40%++++++ this Fake Fraud Fugazi ass Fran Fraschilla knockoff is in here looking like a damn buffoon LYING about ... to even get to that number you'd have to PURPOSELY IGNORE the 5 playoff games he played in to close the season and base a whole disingenuous argument on a sample size of only 7 total games


To dive even deeper In fact.. Deni made 47% of his 21 makes all in a hot 3 game stretch when regular season play resumed and in the other 9 games he shot 11-43 a pathetic 25% ...notice how the gimmick poster didn't give that kind of "context" during his rambling ass babble or that the IBSL is the far less competitive division than the Euro League where Deni shot a horrendous 28% from 3 on 1.8 attempts a game against better players



Once again folks .... the numbers are right in the link he clearly hasn't proved shyt as a shooter and still needs work to get to the level anyone would expect out of a plus shooter (which he may have done with all the time off this year due to covid) ..but it just highlights another day and another pathetic @GimmickScott-Heroin low integrity thread hijacking being exposed as I've grown accustomed to doing time and time and time again.... what makes this piece of grifting so sad is that I didn't even want to expose this goofball until he quoted me as I wanted to see just how long he would keep lying relentlessly in this thread



And of course ... yet and still he couldn't help himself because he's shameless






Now keep me out of your compulsive lying schizophrenic gimmicky ass quotes you fukking weirdo ...have some damn dignity or integrity for once jesus christ

"Imagine getting intellectually humiliated in an embarrassing fashion then taking a whole day to write a novel on an internet chat board just for me to let it go entirely unread "

 

[Left.A1]

"Imagine getting intellectually humiliated in an embarrassing fashion then taking a whole day to write a novel on an internet chat board just for me to let it go entirely unread "

Don't need your grifting ass to read shyt .... exposures are for the good of the people not to save the SCUM