The Official 2020 NBA Draft Talk Thread (11/18)

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I’m ok with wiseman or okongwu, they need a young big so bad.

What’s Deni’s upside? If he doesn’t become a great shooter it’s not like he can fall back on being a super athlete. Can he be a solid player? He’ll yea, when your drafting this high up you need to aim for sky
Why is the spectrum only a "super athlete" and a "great shooter"?

Deni doesn't need to become a great shooter on this Warriors squad. He just needs to be able to hit shots when he's put in position, which isn't going to be on any large scale. No different to Wiggins not needing to become a great shooter either. He just needs to hit his shots.

The value he'll provide for this team will be that much-needed stretch forward who can play at the 4 (which is the Warriors greatest need, given that they have no big man who can shoot), and everything else that the Warriors have built their identity on: playmaking, high BBIQ, versatility, defense, off-ball activity, and team-play. And despite him not being a super athlete, he still has high athleticism, which is emphasized more given than he's great in read-and-react situations, which is more important than someone who has off-the-charts athleticism but doesn't know how to read the game.

There's plenty of muh'fukkas in the league who go sky high but can't use that tool properly in actual game situations. It's why you have the likes of Jeremy Evans and Derrick Jones Jr. winning the Dunk contest, but not being able to do shyt in an actual game.
 
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Why is the spectrum only a "super athlete" and a "great shooter"?

Deni doesn't need to become a great shooter on this Warriors squad. He just needs to be able to hit shots when he's put in position, which isn't going to be on any large scale. No different to Wiggins not needing to become a great shooter either. He just needs to hit his shots.

The value he'll provide for this team will be that much-needed stretch forward who can play at the 4 (which is the Warriors greatest need, given that they have no big man who can shoot), and everything else that the Warriors have built their identity on: playmaking, high BBIQ, versatility, defense, off-ball activity, and team-play. And despite him not being a super athlete, he still has high athleticism, which is emphasized more given than he's great in read-and-react situations, which is more important than someone who has off-the-charts athleticism but doesn't know how to read the game.

There's plenty of muh'fukkas in the league who go sky high but can't use that tool properly in actual game situations. It's why you have the likes of Jeremy Evans and Derrick Jones Jr. winning the Dunk contest, but not being able to do shyt in an actual game.
You better be a great shooter when your getting nothing but wide open shots. Start missing those and ghosts will start to magically appear.

Stretch 4? that’s really pushing it. Doesn’t it bother you that he’s a mediocre shooter and a terrible ft shooter?
 

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I’m not that high on Wiseman, but I don’t see how taking him is riskier than banking on Deni contributing immediately :yeshrug:

In an ideal situation, Warriors trade down and get another rotation piece and still manage to take Okoro who is a versatile athletic wing with an NBA ready body and defensive upside :manny:

but that’s just my two cents
 

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I disagree, there just so small and un athletic right now.
Thats what free agency is for ... just like they got David West on a bargain deal i'm sure they'll get several vets to fill those holes ... that front office usually figures it out ... the main thing is health in the backcourt
 
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Death, taxes and @Gil Scott-Heroin stanning an unathletic European.
I think you may have confused me with @Malta :troll:
You better be a great shooter when your getting nothing but wide open shots. Start missing those and ghosts will start to magically appear.
Well, I guess, it depends on what your definition of a great shooter is. In this context, a great shooter would be someone who can hit shots no matter the defensive coverage/attention and volume, and while I do think Deni has the potential to be that, he won't need to be that on this team.

Being able to hit open shots at a high percentage =/= great shooter.
Stretch 4? that’s really pushing it. Doesn’t it bother you that he’s a mediocre shooter and a terrible ft shooter?
He's the definitive stretch 4.

I've already explained why his overall shooting percentages read as they do, and why they're significantly better when you dig beneath the surface.

I know there's been plenty of talk that he can fit on any team, but I don't think that's completely true. It's hard to make out if he's capable of dragging a team like the Bulls out of the lottery as a franchise cornerstone, or if he's someone that needs like-minded players around him to succeed. It's the reason why I believe he has more value for a team like the Warriors than he would on an actual lottery team, and why someone like Wiseman has more value on an actual lottery team than he does for the Warriors.
 

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Yea it’s unfortunate about what happened in college, the warriors are drafting high, might as well roll the dice because with their cap situation they are stuck with mle centers for the foreseeable future if they don’t get one in this draft. Warriors have zero big men signed after the next season. That’s why it’s so important to get a big on a rookie contract.
Should be on the phone with us trying to get blake for #2 and Wiggins or a sign and trade for Wood.
 

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I agree with the thought the Warriors are drafting at 2 and should be taking BPA which by most regards involves 3 players, Wiseman included. If they are looking for a player to fit a part for current core they can easily trade down and get the player they want and an asset back. At picks 1 & 2 you need to maximize the value of that pick.

I say that with no real opinion on Wiseman, just going off where people place him
 

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My #2 overall prospect in the draft.
Elite rim runner with elite finishing skills.
Then you add his elite movement and passing skills ala Al Horford
His perimeter chops where you see some Kyle Kuzma
His elite efficiency and PPP impact. Easily the most impactful player day 1 in this class by a mile.

The ideal modern big man offensively.

Defensively, he has a ton of questions but he's young, smart, and has good instincts defending in space so he's not a lost cause.
 

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He can shoot. Take it from someone who actually watched his games and is able to put his overall shooting percentages in their proper context.

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I agree with you on Deni. My #4 overall prospect behind Ball, Toppin, and Edwards. He's the most projectable player in the top 5. People who don't like him will harp on his stats especially in the 1st half of the season but post COVID, he was a beast and he was a beast in the limited workout video I saw. I think he's what we wanted Gordon Hayward to be.
 
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