The Official 2019 New York Mets off-season thread: Steve Cohen NOT buying team; Team still for sale

[Rell Lauren]

This isn’t on Callaway or BWW, this is on ownership. If they would have spent more money to got Harper or even Keuchel, we would be more competitive.

Hell, Gio was out there and got signed for $2mil recently. You don’t think this pitching staff could use Gio?

I disagree. Van Wagenen is a large reason why things are happening as they are. Robinson Cano being one of them. Jed Lowrie being another. Wilson Ramos being yet another. Traded for Keon Broxton. Bringing back TdA. Sandy Alderson's bad moves were amplified by BVWs.

 

[Rell Lauren]

 

[FooFighters]

I disagree. Van Wagenen is a large reason why things are happening as they are. Robinson Cano being one of them. Jed Lowrie being another. Wilson Ramos being yet another. Traded for Keon Broxton. Bringing back TdA. Sandy Alderson's bad moves were amplified by BVWs.

Diaz shouldn't have been worth taking on Cano and his contract

 

[Rell Lauren]

Diaz shouldn't have been worth taking on Cano and his contract

Sign Kimbrel and you're spending the same amount of money or less than you are on Cano. I wasn't too high on Kimbrel either due to his erratic nature especially in the postseason.

 

[Captain Crunch]

I disagree. Van Wagenen is a large reason why things are happening as they are. Robinson Cano being one of them. Jed Lowrie being another. Wilson Ramos being yet another. Traded for Keon Broxton. Bringing back TdA. Sandy Alderson's bad moves were amplified by BVWs.

Yeah but that gets heightened due to ownership’s hesitance to spend. This winter saw two young superstars(Harper and Machado) and a relatively young ace(Keuchel) be on the market, yet the Mets didn’t express serious interest. This half in half out shyt get annoying.

They’ve been doing this since I’ve been following the team(2010), if you’re committed to winning, then go out and spend the money. If they can’t spend, then trade all the vets and have a long rebuild.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

If you owned the team who would you hire as your Manager?
Who has already played themself off the team? Just curious.

 

[Rell Lauren]

Yeah but that gets heightened due to ownership’s hesitance to spend. This winter saw two young superstars(Harper and Machado) and a relatively young ace(Keuchel) be on the market, yet the Mets didn’t express serious interest. This half in half out shyt get annoying.

They’ve been doing this since I’ve been following the team(2010), if you’re committed to winning, then go out and spend the money. If they can’t spend, then trade all the vets and have a long rebuild.

They've been rebuilding as long as you've been watching this team. They had one good year (2015) and that was pure luck as it would be Carlos Gomez in Flushing instead of Cespedes. Blowing this entire roster up does not solve the problem that they face. You're starting from point A yet again and it's unsustainable.

 

[Rell Lauren]

He's gone tomorrow, if not tonight when they land.

 

[Captain Crunch]

They've been rebuilding as long as you've been watching this team. They had one good year (2015) and that was pure luck as it would be Carlos Gomez in Flushing instead of Cespedes. Blowing this entire roster up does not solve the problem that they face. You're starting from point A yet again and it's unsustainable.

In the last ten years, when have they had a true rebuild?

2011, Reyes was having a MVP type year, yet they neither trade him or attempt to re-sign him.

2013, they extend Wright(who was 29 or 30 at the time), but trade the Cy Young winner in dikkey.

Fast forward to now, they trade supposedly good prospects for Cano and Diaz, but don’t go after top FA’s. Meanwhile the division rival in Philly, trades prospects for a star; signs Harper, and is now currently the leader in the division.

 

[Rell Lauren]

In the last ten years, when have they had a true rebuild?

2011, Reyes was having a MVP type year, yet they neither trade him or attempt to re-sign him.

2013, they extend Wright(who was 29 or 30 at the time), but trade the Cy Young winner in dikkey.

Fast forward to now, they trade supposedly good prospects for Cano and Diaz, but don’t go after top FA’s. Meanwhile the division rival in Philly, trades prospects for a star; signs Harper, and is now currently the leader in the division.

One or two players constitutes them going for it? It's been a perpetual rebuild and a half assed one at that due to Alderson's inability to scout talent. They have not been built to win since Jerry Manuel took over.

 

[Captain Crunch]

@Rell Lauren
If you’re committed to a rebuild, you don’t let a star SS walk for nothing(Reyes), nor do you keep a superstar(Wright) who’s prime is almost up.

If you’re committed to winning, you don’t pass on signing premier FA’s who fill your needs(Harper; Machado, Keuchel, Kimbrel).

 

[Rell Lauren]

@Rell Lauren
If you’re committed to a rebuild, you don’t let a star SS walk for nothing(Reyes), nor do you keep a superstar(Wright) who’s prime is almost up.

If you’re committed to winning, you don’t pass on signing premier FA’s who fill your needs(Harper; Machado, Keuchel, Kimbrel).

Wright's prime wasn't up when he got extended. His body literally began falling apart after due to a variety of injuries. He came off of an All-star season and was a legit MVP candidate. He was also an All Star in 2013 then his body began betraying him. If anything, baseball has learned since then why people layers who are 30+ aren't going to get those kinds of deals anymore.

 

[ghostwriterx]

 

[NYChase718]

 

[FooFighters]

Wright's prime wasn't up when he got extended. His body literally began falling apart after due to a variety of injuries. He came off of an All-star season and was a legit MVP candidate. He was also an All Star in 2013 then his body began betraying him. If anything, baseball has learned since then why people layers who are 30+ aren't going to get those kinds of deals anymore.

In the last ten years, when have they had a true rebuild?

2011, Reyes was having a MVP type year, yet they neither trade him or attempt to re-sign him.

2013, they extend Wright(who was 29 or 30 at the time), but trade the Cy Young winner in dikkey.

Fast forward to now, they trade supposedly good prospects for Cano and Diaz, but don’t go after top FA’s. Meanwhile the division rival in Philly, trades prospects for a star; signs Harper, and is now currently the leader in the division.

dikkey was old. No guarantee of him repeating his CY Young performance. And he was discussing a contract extension with the team at the time.

Reyes got injured right before the trading deadline, so we couldn't trade him. If you remember Mike Pelfrey, the same shyt happened to him. If anything, the Marlins offering Reyes those years and money to start free agency was the death knell. Marlins knew they weren't keeping him or anyone else on that team and half of those guys got traded to Blue Jays. People beat the Troy Tulowizki drum for years, and that would've been a disaster.

Wright was just into his prime, when the injuries started to happen. Remember colliding with Ike Davis on a fukking pop up that fukked up his back? That started his decline.