The Official 2018 NBA Draft Talk Thread 6/21

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These dudes are generally wrong. Last year they rated John Collins 39th overall best player in the draft. Tatum was like 10th. Mitchell was in the 20's. Can't take them seriously. Their track record is ass.
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Yeah, don't they base their projections off of some algorithm? Sometimes I read their articles and I wonder if they even watch these guys play.

I trust Schmitz, Givony (even though he tends to overrate Euro wings) and Kevin O'Connor (from the Ringer). Those guys generally know what they're talking about, and are usually spot on when they're talking about prospects.
 
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Yeah, don't they base their projections off of some algorithm? Sometimes I read their articles and I wonder if they even watch these guys play.

I trust Schmitz, Givony (even though he tends to overrate Euro wings) and Kevin O'Connor (from the Ringer). Those guys generally know what they're talking about, and are usually spot on when they're talking about prospects.
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Yep only problem I’ve had with Givony is he still won’t admit to being wrong about Simmons. But yeah they just started to put out their videos.

 
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LOL, as someone who's been watching Basketball for ages, this kid is playing his game. He just lacks coordination, body control, and has a weak core which means he can be easily moved from his base. This is not as much an issue in college and if you just touch a kid, it's a foul. But in the NBA, you are allowed to use your hands to guide as long as you don't fully control. That makes slashing a lot harder. If you notice, most slashers in the NBA have excellent core strength (A.I., Mitchell, young Melo, Bron, Kobe, MJ, etc) and many of them also have excellent body control. Without it, you like Wiggins who while is at the lower end of this spectrum, is miles better than JJJ at it. That's problematic for me. The only uncoordinated big I've seen that translated and became a star is Mutombo and he had excellent BBIQ, defensive skills, and his core strength wasn't that bad although his body control and coordination was terrible. JJJ is uncoordinated, he can't control his body when pressure, and he has a weak core. This is the equivalent to being a 205 PF. It's not easy to overcome. Marvin had that issue as well and while he became a solid role player, he never was close to a star.

I don't see him exploding. I really want him to become a lot like what Larry Sanders became but with Sam Perkins range. He will have opportunity to drive every once in a while and he will also be a fine rim runner, fast break, big. He's an excellent if not elite run/jump athlete. He has a chance to be real chance to be good but this 20ppg is just highly unlikely. 14 ppg with great rim protection and defending screens and PnR's is what you hope he becomes.

His rebounding skills are subpar. I personally think his shot blocking skills are overstated. He has to do it because he lacks the strength and coordination. I don't see real rim protection like I do from Bamba. I see that Josh Smith/Theo Ratliff rim protection.
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He hasn't developed his man body yet. His Pop was rugged and I assume JJJ will develop the necessary strength to block out and compete on the boards. There are more finesse bigs in the game than any time in history. His finesse game translates well. He will never be a one on one dynamo but he only has to devlop 2 or 3 go to moves with his touch in order to be a 20-10-2 player.
 
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B1G_controversy said:
He hasn't developed his man body yet. His Pop was rugged and I assume JJJ will develop the necessary strength to block out and compete on the boards. There are more finesse bigs in the game than any time in history. His finesse game translates well. He will never be a one on one dynamo but he only has to devlop 2 or 3 go to moves with his touch in order to be a 20-10-2 player.
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Developing into your body is good for strength not coordination and body control.

You underestimate how hard it is to score 20ppg on a nightly basis. You have to be very talented, skilled and gifted. JJJ is just gifted but he has a number of things working v. Him
 
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Developing into your body is good for strength not coordination and body control.

You underestimate how hard it is to score 20ppg on a nightly basis. You have to be very talented, skilled and gifted. JJJ is just gifted but he has a number of things working v. Him
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I don't agree that you need good core strength to score 20 a night

In a best case scenario, I see him as a 20-10-2 player...the kid is still 18 and averaged 11-6-3 in 22 mins while shooting 40% from three...he hasn't scratched the surface but he's 4 yrs away from meaningful contributions but if he develops, watch out
 
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Is there like a site that has a list of which players have worked out for each team
 
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I don't agree that you need good core strength to score 20 a night

In a best case scenario, I see him as a 20-10-2 player...the kid is still 18 and averaged 11-6-3 in 22 mins while shooting 40% from three...he hasn't scratched the surface but he's 4 yrs away from meaningful contributions but if he develops, watch out
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I've heard all of this before. For Marvin Williams
 
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