The Official 2015 NBA Draft Talk Thread

[Swagnificent]

Stat nerds LOVE Jahlil. They think he stinks on defense, but Jah by numbers is one of the best players to come out in a long time.

The reason why some consider him to be risky is because the game ain't the same. If bigs still ran shyt, he'd be #1 no question.


Besides, who are you to be talking? You hopped on LaVine's dikk off of a VERTICAL.

the game ain't the same cause the talent is BAD. cousins is out here averaging 24/12 and he doesn't have anywhere near the post skills jah got.

small is not changing the game. its a fad like the wildcat.

 

[Swagnificent]

Yet they're with Embiid who has superstar talent because the slowest healing bone in the body ain't healing fast enough

broken tibia not as scary as a broken bone in the foot. especially when its a big. julius is already back and will play summer league. can't say the same about embiid.

 

[tremonthustler1]

draymond green and andrew bogut just anchored the #1 defense in basketball. I'm sure randle and okafor can be at least decent on defense while being incredible on offense. randle has potential to be a great pick n roll and perimeter defense as a big. while okafor has more than enough potential to be AT LEAST average as a rim protector in the paint given his 7'5" wingspan.

Draymond finished 2nd in DPOY. Jah or Randle gonna do that? Bogut can protect the rim. Jah or Randle gonna do that? The Warriors as a whole play well defensively. The Lakers do that?


Jah can't protect the rim because Jah plays below the rim. He's not gonna leap up and block shots and be active on that front. He never has been. The best he can do is deter you from going to the basket a la Pekovic and Cousins to a smaller degree (and if Jah keeps losing weight, it will only invite opposing players to go hard at the basket)

 

[GreatestLaker]

draymond green and andrew bogut just anchored the #1 defense in basketball. I'm sure randle and okafor can be at least decent on defense while being incredible on offense. randle has potential to be a great pick n roll and perimeter defense as a big. while okafor has more than enough potential to be AT LEAST average as a rim protector in the paint given his 7'5" wingspan.

Horrible example. When healthy Bogut is one of the best defensive anchors in the league and Green just finished second in the DPOY voting.

 

[tremonthustler1]

the game ain't the same cause the talent is BAD. cousins is out here averaging 24/12 and he doesn't have anywhere near the post skills jah got.

small is not changing the game. its a fad like the wildcat.

Going small is altering it where it's needed to adjust. With Jah, the defense wouldn't be the only reason why you'd consider benching him late. He also can't hit free throws for shyt. You better have a helluva plan to protect your franchise big if you're gonna find it that hard to keep him in late in games (if LA can provide that, great. Not many can though)

 

[Swagnificent]

Draymond finished 2nd in DPOY. Jah or Randle gonna do that? Bogut can protect the rim. Jah or Randle gonna do that? The Warriors as a whole play well defensively. The Lakers do that?


Jah can't protect the rim because Jah plays below the rim. He's not gonna leap up and block shots and be active on that front. He never has been. The best he can do is deter you from going to the basket a la Pekovic and Cousins to a smaller degree (and if Jah keeps losing weight, it will only invite opposing players to go hard at the basket)

I was talking about draymond green and andrew bogut as PROSPECTS not what they are now. You are already writing off Jah and Randle as a frontcourt eventhough they haven't played a single game together. who on earth thought draymond green would be a DPOY candidate as a prospect in 2012? who on earth thought bogut would be a great rim protector as a prospect in 2005? hindsight as they say is 20/20.

my argument is simple. LETS WAIT AND SEE. As of now, there is nothing that tells me they can't play well together. Both have the physical attributes to be good defensive players. Sure they haven't shown it yet. But tons of guys come into the league as question marks defensively and then become studs. See KLAY THOMPSON.

 

[Swagnificent]

Horrible example. When healthy Bogut is one of the best defensive anchors in the league and Green just finished second in the DPOY voting.

were people saying that about bogut and green when they got drafted? i'm just saying we've seen guys outperform their draft projections and expectations often. no one thought klay thompson would be a great defensive player in the nba. defense was considered one of his weaknesses coming out. and he's now one of the best perimeter defenders in the league.

okarfor is 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan. he shown decent lateral mobility. he's not been a good defender in college. but nothing about his PHYSICAL PROFILE tells me he can't become one. IMO you can count out guys who lack the physical measureables to become good defensive players. you can't do it, when the guy has the physical measureables even if he hasn't shown it yet on the court.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

bogut was the #1 pick . he was seen as a plus post defender

 

[tremonthustler1]

I was talking about draymond green and andrew bogut as PROSPECTS not what they are now. You are already writing off Jah and Randle as a frontcourt eventhough they haven't played a single game together. who on earth thought draymond green would be a DPOY candidate as a prospect in 2012? who on earth thought bogut would be a great rim protector as a prospect in 2005? hindsight as they say is 20/20.

my argument is simple. LETS WAIT AND SEE. As of now, there is nothing that tells me they can't play well together. Both have the physical attributes to be good defensive players. Sure they haven't shown it yet. But tons of guys come into the league as question marks defensively and then become studs. See KLAY THOMPSON.[/QUOTE]

Klay plays a lot more guard now than he did at Wash. St. which gives him an added advantage over other guards.

Draymond was really good on defense in college, but even then he was a 2nd round pick. It's not as if he was drafted with him being a major core piece in mind. He turned into that. Bogut by the time he got to Golden State had shown he can become a defensive minded player. You're building a flawed frontcourt by design and praying it works. Could they figure it out? Maybe, but odds are not in your favor.

Put it this way: Wesley Johnson has the physical profile of an ELITE defender. 5 years in. You think he's getting there?

 

[Malta]

@ going on and on about wingspan in a frontcourt player, when standing reach is far more important.


Dexter Pittman and Cole Aldrich have 7'5" wingspans, why do they both suck at defense

 

[Trojan 24]

Yet they're with Embiid who has superstar talent because the slowest healing bone in the body ain't healing fast enough

I see you not gunna stop talking reckless, bruh you need to earn them Karma Points

Oh and Julius is gunna be ready for the season, by all reports he's poised to come back faster and quicker then ever

 

[AAKing23]

I see you not gunna stop talking reckless, bruh you need to earn them Karma Points

Oh and Julius is gunna be ready for the season, by all reports he's poised to come back faster and quicker then ever

We'll see

 

[FAH1223]

 

[labelplant]

I think he'll be better in the league than he was in College, especially once he gets some proper strength and conditioning going, dude moved like a marionette held up by someone with MS. He has all-star potential, but I'm not sure if he's ready to play center in the NBA, and he'll need to get a little quicker to play PF.

for me personally Turner is the highest riser in this post March Madness/private workout period.

I really was low on him after the season because he performed poorly late in conference play and ran the court with less agility than the 60 year old drunk bum at my local park. However i keep hearing that he is moving better in workouts plus supposedly he has doctors saying that it's not any potential long term issues with his knees or anything. So ok he isn't the most fluid guy in the world but he's huge and skilled on both ends. Plus seems to be a hard worker and willing to take direction and to improve. So I'm back on the Turner Train no homo

 

[NatiboyB]

So Stanley Johnson is a 6'6 245LB SG/SF can someone explain to me why win that size does he have an issue finishing thru contact? Is that something that is correctable with NBA coaching/competition?