The Official 2015 NBA Draft Talk Thread

[Malta]

Some of them briefly were then fell out. He is viewed as a better prospect. Never said otherwise. Just trying to say that the athleticism and confidence (particularly those attributes) that sets him apart from his predecessors arent sure things to transfer over quickly.

He does have a have a high chance of being a bust mainly because the wing is so unforgiving, his best bet is to go to a team that will experiment with him at the 2.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

He does have a have a high chance of being a bust mainly because the wing is so unforgiving, his best bet is to go to a team that will experiment with him at the 2.

Thats pretty much all i was trying to say. Thought I briefly fell into the dead sea with the amounts of salt enveloping me.

 

[Rakim Allah]

The NBA needs the Lakers to be contenders again...so expect a top three selection at the lottery.

Maybe but he's a disciple of Stern and Stern didn't think they needed to be in 94 or 05

 

[Rakim Allah]

Also I doubt Winslow will develop much of an offensive game, he's a little too raw from that standpoint. I find that if you're a streaky shooter and you never really show a handle then it won't really ever come until late in your career. You would probably want Stanley Johnson before him if you're part of LWO



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From what I've seen Winslow's handle is much better than Stanley's handle. That dribbling SJ displayed in the Tourney was

 

[CantStop]

From what I've seen of Winslow, he's probably the surest player in the draft. 0% chance he's a Wesley Johnson(bust) but theres also a chance that he's never gonna be a superstar. Might have a Deng like career, fringe all star. I rather have him over Al Jeffer...I mean Jahlil Okafor.

 

[Rakim Allah]

From what I've seen of Winslow, he's probably the surest player in the draft. 0% chance he's a Wesley Johnson(bust) but theres also a chance that he's never gonna be a superstar. Might have a Deng like career, fringe all star. I rather have him over Al Jeffer...I mean Jahlil Okafor.

For the Lakers

1. Towns/Russell
2. Russell/Towns
3. Winslow
4. Okafor
5. Mudiay/Hezonja

 

[CarltonJunior]

From what I've seen Winslow's handle is much better than Stanley's handle. That dribbling SJ displayed in the Tourney was

Well I was referring to his shot rather than his handle, I didn't really specify so I see your confusion. Also Winslow doesn't have a better handle IMO. Both have questionable offensive skills, Stan is less aggressive but is a better shooter, Winslow might not develop much of a shot. Both are freaks though in terms of physical stature. I don't think either will be a star.

From what I've seen of Winslow, he's probably the surest player in the draft. 0% chance he's a Wesley Johnson(bust) but theres also a chance that he's never gonna be a superstar. Might have a Deng like career, fringe all star. I rather have him over Al Jeffer...I mean Jahlil Okafor.

Winslow isn't surer than Towns, Okafor or Russell. Mudiay I'll hold out on just because he got injured in China.

As a possible top 5 pick you don't wanna be Luol Deng either, just saying. I think I would take a chance on Hezonja before Winslow

 

[Rakim Allah]

Well I was referring to his shot rather than his handle, I didn't really specify so I see your confusion. Also Winslow doesn't have a better handle IMO. Both have questionable offensive skills, Stan is less aggressive but is a better shooter, Winslow might not develop much of a shot. Both are freaks though in terms of physical stature. I don't think either will be a star.

SJ had Wes Johnson handles at Zona

 

[CarltonJunior]

I only saw 3 Zona games so I believe you

Also with his frame I didn't see him attack the basket enough

 

[Rakim Allah]

I only saw 3 Zona games so I believe you

Also with his frame I didn't see him attack the basket enough

If he can at least get to Ariza handles, he may be alright.

 

[I.V.]

ok..aside from reading every scouting site possible for over a decade and focusing on draft express since it came out.

Well, maybe it's a reading comprehension issue.

hezonja is the best wing prospect clearly (shooting+athleticism whereas many before were one or the other)

Well, yes. But even so... it's not like there is a ton of hype. Nobody is saying he should be taken ahead of Towns/Okafor. He's in the conversation for the 4-8ish. Which means he's a mid lottery pick.

but hes not a bonafide all-star YET

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA None of them are bonafide all stars yet. fukk are you talking about.

and is not a guarantee to flourish off the bat.

Nobody is saying he'll flourish off the bat. He's young, he hasn't played in the league, he's played in the european systems his whole life.

a lot people are talking him up to be a 16-18 ppg guy first year in

There are people saying he's going to get 18 a game, in the NBA, as a rookie???


u still salty about the knicks and your boy maciej?

Lampe was never a wing. And actually, anybody that knows anything... knows my boy was Gallo. Pre-injuries gallo. Who was probably the most highly touted recent euro wing... and he was touted for his jumper, and his skillset... all of which were very strong. He was never called an elite athlete.


Through your posts, you frequently mistake "NBA Athlete" with "elite athlete" You also clearly don't read/pay attention to the differences described in a player's ability to finish above the rim, and their lateral quickness.

You also said Peja was "good" despite 3 All star appearances, an All NBA 2nd team spot, top 10 all time in 3 pointers and leading the league in offensive win shares one year.

European wings are almost NEVER billed as elite athletes. Even Mario, who is a great athlete, isn't being described as such by a place like DX... "nice quickness" phrases like that litter their reporting. It's even couched with 'one of the most impressive physical specimens we've seen in european prospects in recent memory' ... not in ALL prospects. In european prospects. Relativity seems to be lost on you.


Besides, the best euro athlete we've seen in the last few years is Giannis. :JFKBOSS:

 

[tremonthustler1]

I'll update tonight, whole round 1

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Lampe was never a wing. And actually, anybody that knows anything... knows my boy was Gallo. Pre-injuries gallo. Who was probably the most highly touted recent euro wing... and he was touted for his jumper, and his skillset... all of which were very strong. He was never called an elite athlete.


Through your posts, you frequently mistake "NBA Athlete" with "elite athlete" You also clearly don't read/pay attention to the differences described in a player's ability to finish above the rim, and their lateral quickness.

You also said Peja was "good" despite 3 All star appearances, an All NBA 2nd team spot, top 10 all time in 3 pointers and leading the league in offensive win shares one year.

European wings are almost NEVER billed as elite athletes. Even Mario, who is a great athlete, isn't being described as such by a place like DX... "nice quickness" phrases like that litter their reporting. It's even couched with 'one of the most impressive physical specimens we've seen in european prospects in recent memory' ... not in ALL prospects. In european prospects. Relativity seems to be lost on you.


Besides, the best euro athlete we've seen in the last few years is Giannis. :JFKBOSS:

• obviously no one is a bonafide all-star yet clown. but some prospects have that label of can't miss all-star and inside draft circles the hype for hezonja is growing near that level and if you deny that you dont know what youre talking about.
• what you said makes sense about flourishing, obviously..but as i said ^ the hype is growing a bit out of control (or is at least headed that way). it wont be long until he gets the day 1 solid contributor label..and while that is certainly possible, i dont think it is exceedingly likely
• wait and see..if he goes to a team where he gets the green light without other perimeter scorers and/or a high paced offense those projections will start flooding in if hes named the starter and i dont think he can do that even under ideal circumstances the first year.
• i said maciej wasnt a wing..but did you not say i wasnt aware of euro prospects and their scouting reports at the time? so its false that he was projected early-mid lotto?
  
• no i dont mistake the two and yes i do read/pay attention to the nuances in finishing ability and lateral quickness. plus ive seen tapes of him. he is one of the more athletic euros to come out in however long..and is one of the reasons why he has been skyrocketing up draft boards. he is an ELITE euro athlete. fantastic. when he gets drafted and plays in the NBA he wont be ELITE. and i said in my post that his athleticism wont translate so how dumb are you to say i dont understand relativity when that was the exact fukking point i was making? smh
• sorry for not laundry listing all of peja's accomplishments. maybe i should have written a biography and advanced statistical analysis of each player i named just so you can be happy. its not like i was thinking..."oh yeah, that peja guy..he was good". i know who the fukk he is and i watched the kings all the time and rooted for them heavy when he was on the come-up. they had frosted tips version of hedo on the bench with unpolished gerald wallace. cool.
  
• ill be in treviso in june see ya there

 

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[I.V.]

• obviously no one is a bonafide all-star yet clown. but some prospects have that label of can't miss all-star

Some players do. But Mario does not. He is NOT being predicted as a sure-fire all star by any respectable scouting outlet.

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• wait and see..if he goes to a team where he gets the green light without other perimeter scorers and/or a high paced offense those projections will start flooding in if hes named the starter and i dont think he can do that even under ideal circumstances the first year.

20 players averaged 18 or more a game this season. You are essentially saying he'll be a top 20 scorer next year, or that "people are predicting that" -- NONE of them were rookies.

• i said maciej wasnt a wing..but did you not say i wasnt aware of euro prospects and their scouting reports at the time? so its false that he was projected early-mid lotto?

Mainly by draft.net. Which..... yeeeaaaah. But he was drafted in the second round... so.... what are you talking about?

• no i dont mistake the two and yes i do read/pay attention to the nuances in finishing ability and lateral quickness. plus ive seen tapes of him. he is one of the more athletic euros to come out in however long..and is one of the reasons why he has been skyrocketing up draft boards. he is an ELITE euro athlete. fantastic. when he gets drafted and plays in the NBA he wont be ELITE. and i said in my post that his athleticism wont translate so how dumb are you to say i dont understand relativity when that was the exact fukking point i was making? smh

This was a particularly unbearably written portion of a totally worthless post.

• sorry for not laundry listing all of peja's accomplishments. maybe i should have written a biography and advanced statistical analysis of each player i named just so you can be happy. its not like i was thinking..."oh yeah, that peja guy..he was good". i know who the fukk he is and i watched the kings all the time and rooted for them heavy when he was on the come-up. they had frosted tips version of hedo on the bench with unpolished gerald wallace. cool.

This also was rather incoherent.

• ill be in treviso in june see ya there

I'll be in the Hamptons in June... but nobody gives a fukk about that either.


If you are going to take a run at attacking me... write something legible. If you are going to post analysis... just make it accurate. If you're going to fake it... do more research. Google is everywhere for all of you, and free... so that's all I ask.