The NETFLIX QUINCY JONES documentary shows that DRE AND KANYE aint nowhere near this dude

[Art Barr]

People didn't hate Gangstas Paradise until it became huge with white people and they ruined it,and Coolio wasn't respected enough in his role in Maad Circle to be ousted from hiphop for any sin. He didnt have cultural relevancy like that. As well as it is not the complete story to say Ras Kass submission was rejected due to it being opera sample,which I don't think it is heard that way by many btw. As it sounds like just another sound in the g funk toolbox. The change of content is what got Ras Kass rejected ,as he was strongly embraced by purist similar to Nas after It Was Written. Coolio was rejected because his first solo submission, was such a big crossover act,he was seen as someone who was a one hit wonder who got lucky,laid no real groundwork in the streets or culturally first musically. Who just got lucky with a watered down commercial joint. But you said in the pop era,so it doesn't really matter how he was viewed culturally. The main point is just that the disconnect was not there,and you provided more proof with Ras Kass,3-6 shouldn't be credited for bridging anything.


Plus DJ Paul was a Eazy E stan. I'm sure there is influence there and even he would acknowledge Eazy-E's genius is what blew up bone thugs. Eazy was already on that horrorcore shyt,as was Bone Thugs to an extent though I don't really consider him hardcore. Eazy seemed to get more demonic around 93 w/ the Straight Off The Streets of Compton joint that got shelved. Eazy was in Cali,he would be more likely to be influenced by Brotha Lynch and Black Market records. If Bone was modeled after anyone I would say him. I tend to think all these dudes were getting some demonic spirits that had them all thinking in similar wavelengths. This is why you don't play around with that devil shyt.

Stop.


Coolio was never associated after the wc run with being a culture based artist.
Especially when simultaneously wc is showcasing Mecca envy with ice cube who was also formerly a Mecca based west coast artist. Who was now displaying Mecca envy for no reason other than sales and gimmickry as well.

You ain't never went in no real hip hop engrained culture based nuffin and heard a Mecca envy based artist in that realm. Especially once their liasion or any other offshoot draws showcased Mecca envy or any cultural discourse.


Coolio ain't never been a fringe culture or Mecca endorsed artist after county line sir.
How when alternatively whom he came to the dance was also involved in the biggest journalistic issue based scandal in rap as well. That lead to the destruction of the original source writers.


You do not know you history in hip hop actual culture at all, sir.
You talking some prison industrial apologist after the fact pass giving shyt. That started in the vhone Viacom commemorrative specials. To try to circumvent the culture'a accurate portrayal of history. That started after puff flopped on pe2000. When this whole pander to be a draw shyt started for defunct dead draw sellout based artists in rap.

County line coolio is considered the breaking point and starting point to coolio being disassociated as this culture Mecca endorsed and relevant artist. Trying to say different has numerous parrallels in actual reality that occurred that can dispute and easily point to you really not being culture based as well.
You speaking on a time when rap commercialism was being bastsrdized away from a culture based marketing stand point as well. Where I cns point to the creators and where and how that marketing was bastsrdized away from the original Leo Burnett based marketing as well. As the spread sheet return from marketing hip hop with rap started to illustrate. Then was immestediately moved away from a culture based standpoint in real scope, Content and execution.

If you went to any function where gangsta paradise was played. It was well after sponsor hopped on board in the Seagram based take over of all of music. Also included that scope in marketing. Which also entailed mainstreaming rap on a now marketing meets venue based basis. As insurance laws and premiums were now more malleable.
to more, what would be termed urban based events in larger drawing venues more consistently. Plus understanding the return for rap being marketed on soundtracks from the grassroots highwuality track listing and cultural grounded juice soundtrack.
Trying to say coolio was viewed as this culture based artist is easily debunkable.

Art Barr

 

[Insensitive]

What's crazy is Quincy Jones was getting "lil bro'd" by Duke Ellington and other jazz greats.

That should put his greatness into perspective and help to solidify why Jazz is so important to Black American Music.

 

[Art Barr]

Breh, Juicy J and Paul are not on Timbaland's level if we just strictly kept it Hip Hop. When other producers drop their Top 5, I guarantee Timbo's name is on it where Paul & J won't get a mention.

Timbo is a rnb based producer who has done rap features. Legendary rap features btw.
It just so happens his rnb drum patterns were so next level. Plus had a new wave bounce. that upon first listen it was a natural forgone reality based conclusion after one listen. That eventually that pattern framework and model.
would be used and take place. as damn near the model basis for all modern percussion moving forward.

Yet and still in that.

Juicy j and Paul are given the global double time distinction.
of being what the frame and model of modern music is right now and for the foreseeable future.

Like I said in prophecy eighteen years ago this would be the case. In the remnants of the splintering of ruthless records. after the death of easy in real time. left another void in what is first the glass ceiling in gangsta rap, rap and the actual world of music direction wise.
Plus what feels like all of real western Babylon based life. As everything is whether culturally we like it or not. Everything is ruthless records first and in that myopic prison of cultural misappropriation of everything in the world. Including the nonviolent culture of hip-hop. Has to operate under the frame work of everything is ruthless records. Yet within that misappropriation and deviation that time creates. Is where moving forward triple six will be deemed the greatest producers in rap all time. Via the trickle down and declining drawing era of ruthless records from eazy's life to death period in legacy. In that natural declining draw period that will never not be present. Simply because at this point since the mid nineties. rap is marketed to misappropriate and not illustrate the nonviolent and antigang culture of hip hop. In that dispersal and natural declining draw of ruthless records from eazy's living legacy to his post his death. In that dispersal of drawing power by way of triple six being marketed sonically.
as an offshoot based draw from the horrorcore impact of bone, as a vocal and sonic submission. Is how moving forward Paul and j will have dominance. simply by sheer volume of consistent high quality work and timing as producers. It is out of any of our hands and in the perception of volume impact and marketing that at the end of the day. Whether history's numbers or any audiophile tries to say different. Triple six by sheer volume of work and fan base.
will be viewed long term as the greatest producers in rap history by proxy.
Where given what took place.
No casual or audiophile can circumvent that from not being the reality amoung the current population. Just the same way hip hop actual culture can not turn back the hands of cultural misappropriation from the prison Industrial boom of gangsta rap as well.
Which is welled in foundation from the whole world being ruthless records first and solidly moving forward.



Art Barr


The world is ruthless records.

We can not change that moving forward and in that even hip hop actual culture has to exist. While manuevering in a forgiving cultural manner to the idea the world is ruthless records as well.



Art Barr

 

[Rozay Oro]

I like how everyone looked over the fact Dre has a fukking podcast wtf

 

[LEEeveryday]

Quincy Jones is a fukking icon... I can't really use that term so lightly any more. If you can't match his resume, you can't compare.

 

[NormanConnors]

The key word is helped curate. MJ definitely went to Quincy for a reason. MJ's run of classics wouldn't have been what they were without Quincy.

Q needed Mike too. History gives Quincy all of the credit these days which is simply not the case. On paper/accolades Q was the biggest producer in the game of course Mike would want to work with him. Breh had could've had Stevie produce his stuff too if he wanted. Some of Mikes best work was done without Q

 

[IllmaticDelta]

What's crazy is Quincy Jones was getting "lil bro'd" by Duke Ellington and other jazz greats.

quincy isn't even top 50 in the world of jazz greats/legends/impact/influence

That should put his greatness into perspective and help to solidify why Jazz is so important to Black American Music.

exactly

 

[Rozay Oro]

Besides his genius and being an arranger. Is jazz the reason why he's so versatile?

 

[NewWaveEra]

Be a producer without being a musician, brehs.

 

[L. Deezy]

quincy isn't even top 50 in the world of jazz greats/legends/impact/influence



exactly

Name the 49? Helluva reach..if u said 10, I wouldnt even say nothing

Quincy resume greater than any jazz performer tho...

He hit every genre and kilt it!!

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Name the 49? Helluva reach..if u said 10, I wouldnt even say nothing

In the jazz world alone, I could 5-10 white guys alone who are above quincy

Quincy resume greater than any jazz performer tho...

In the lesser of world of pop maybe but no even close within jazz. Louis Armstrong alone is more important in american music on a grand scale than Quincy is

He hit every genre and kilt it!!

in the jazz world he was ok

His r&B related stuff was good to great but there were many better

pop in general he was great because of his range because most jazz guys looked down on R&B/pop and most pop guys outside of the actual studio musicians weren't talented enough

 

[Whogivesafuck]

Gamble & Huff and Norman Whitfield don't get enough love.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Name the 49? Helluva reach..if u said 10, I wouldnt even say nothing

...just ran across a jazz list of the top 100 and honorable mentions and I would say w/o question, I would place all of the people mentioned, above quincy in jazz history

100 Greatest Jazz Artists

quincy doesn't sniff the top 50 alone on this list (some of the 51-100 is better than the 1st 50, like Chick Webb and Jame P Johnson for example)

1. Louis Armstrong
2. Duke Ellington
3. Miles Davis
4. Charlie Parker
5. John Coltrane
6. Dizzy Gillespie
7. Billie Holiday
8. Thelonious Monk
9. Charles Mingus
10. Count Basie
11. Lester Young
12. Coleman Hawkins
13. Ella Fitzgerald
14. Sonny Rollins
15. Sidney Bechet
16. Art Blakey
17. Ornette Coleman
18. Benny Goodman
19. Jelly Roll Morton
20. Bill Evans
21. Art Tatum
22. Clifford Brown
23. Stan Getz
24. Sarah Vaughan
25. Bud Powell
26. Fletcher Henderson
27. Django Reinhardt
28. Herbie Hancock
29. Wayne Shorter
30. Horace Silver
31. Dave Brubeck
32. Rahsaan Roland Kirk
33. Cecil Taylor
34. King Oliver
35. Sun Ra
36. Gil Evans
37. Lionel Hampton
38. Art Pepper
39. Eric Dolphy
40. Oscar Peterson
41. Charlie Christian
42. Ben Webster
43. Fats Waller
44. Earl Hines
45. Woody Herman
46. Wes Montgomery
47. J.J. Johnson
48. John McLaughlin
49. Artie Shaw
50. Lee Morgan

 

[L. Deezy]

...just ran across a jazz list of the top 100 and honorable mentions and I would say w/o question, I would place all of the people mentioned, above quincy in jazz history

100 Greatest Jazz Artists

quincy doesn't sniff the top 50 alone on this list (some of the 51-100 is better than the 1st 50, like Chick Webb and Jame P Johnson for example)

1. Louis Armstrong
2. Duke Ellington
3. Miles Davis
4. Charlie Parker
5. John Coltrane
6. Dizzy Gillespie
7. Billie Holiday
8. Thelonious Monk
9. Charles Mingus
10. Count Basie
11. Lester Young
12. Coleman Hawkins
13. Ella Fitzgerald
14. Sonny Rollins
15. Sidney Bechet
16. Art Blakey
17. Ornette Coleman
18. Benny Goodman
19. Jelly Roll Morton
20. Bill Evans
21. Art Tatum
22. Clifford Brown
23. Stan Getz
24. Sarah Vaughan
25. Bud Powell
26. Fletcher Henderson
27. Django Reinhardt
28. Herbie Hancock
29. Wayne Shorter
30. Horace Silver
31. Dave Brubeck
32. Rahsaan Roland Kirk
33. Cecil Taylor
34. King Oliver
35. Sun Ra
36. Gil Evans
37. Lionel Hampton
38. Art Pepper
39. Eric Dolphy
40. Oscar Peterson
41. Charlie Christian
42. Ben Webster
43. Fats Waller
44. Earl Hines
45. Woody Herman
46. Wes Montgomery
47. J.J. Johnson
48. John McLaughlin
49. Artie Shaw
50. Lee Morgan

Bro, he produced for Miles, Louis, Dizzy.. list goes on

Stop iiiiiiittttt..

 

[L. Deezy]

Why is it killing yall to give Quincy his props? Im not even responding to any negative Quincy shyt.. give the man his fuhkin props..

Shyt is stupid.