The Most Overrated Games In The History Vol.1: The Last Of Us

[NoMayo15]

You dapped this post


"Got every aspect right" sounds like a lot like perfect to me



There's also this, implying that this is the pinnacle of video game A.I. and anything more would be real life.


But you're right, nobody used the word "Perfect"

Alright, Douchey McNitpick. They decided enemies shouldn't see companions, and that BREAKS the game.

 

[Fatboi1]

I think it's a very fair point to bring up user activity. Talking without experience isn't accepted in hardly any other debates why do the rules change when it comes to video games. If you don't like cats lookin at your gamer activity then make it private. Ole "don't look at me I'm naked over here" but walking around the house without a towel on.

It's like imagine if I was calling MGSV trash after only getting to mission 10. It'd be kind of funny. I beat the game so I can definitely say its a steaming pile of shytake mushrooms with gravy and dim sum with pork fried rice.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Alright, Douchey McNitpick. They decided enemies shouldn't see companions, and that BREAKS the game.

I never said it was broken. I said it was comments like that that make the game overrated.

 

[Kamikaze Revy]

It's like imagine if I was calling MGSV trash after only getting to mission 10. It'd be kind of funny. I beat the game so I can definitely say its a steaming pile of shytake mushrooms with gravy and dim sum with pork fried rice.

You don't even have to play that long. Cats can develop a strong opinion after a couple hours. And in this case, your opinion has less credibility than a Drake verse.

 

[be back in a bit]

More immersion breaking than walking into the line of sight of enemies while we're trying to hide? Nah

And that shyt happened to more than you want to let on like i said, everyone already has their mind made up on their favorite game. I went in thinking it was going to be the greatest thing ever and it wasnt. If you enjoyed it, cool. Im not gonna ignore everything i found wrong with it because I wasnt invested in it emotionally at all. Its not nitpicking when it happened every stealth section.

Option A: Ellie walks right in front of an enemy 30 times in 15 hours

Option B: Ellie unnaturally mirrors your every move for 15 hours straight.


I'll go with option A

 

[Fatboi1]

Was it intentional to have AI companions in plain sight, but you still not being spotted?


That was absolutely intentional, and it was a very hard decision to make. As Sessler and a few other reviews pointed out, the alternative would be extremely infuriating. We are trying to make a game where stealth is an important aspect, and we knew we wouldn’t be able to guarantee the buddy AI would be able to stay hidden as well as the player. If the buddies were seen by enemies, it would be extremely frustrating.

The buddy AI was actually what I have spent the last four months or so writing, and I think we did a good job of making them seem believable. Ellie will stick in cover with you and hunker under your protective arm, and she is good at keeping up with you.

The best thing is that because the AI is emergent, the playthroughs will be different for everyone, and different on successive playthroughs.


Is the balance of power AI system still in the game?

Yes, we managed to get a lot of reactivity in the AI. If they out number you they will be a lot more confident, if you out gun them they will be a lot more cautious, etc. They will hide from you, flank you, wait you out, flush you out, and coordinate to attack you.

There are a lot of systems running behind the scenes which make it all work, including some really neat environmental analysis, an upgraded pathfinding system, and ultimately some carefully hand crafted and tuned behavioural systems.

Why did you decide to make enemies ignore Ellie?

Ellie can still die, just if the player is trying to be stealthy they won’t see her. As I said elsewhere, we made this choice because it would be frustrating if a player had stealth broken by Ellie being seen.

If that was the case, we'd have the critics saying "It's great when you get the drop on stragglers but because Ellie stepped on a potato chip, the enemy was alerted and called in reinforcements for something that I, the player was not in control of. 7.5/10"​

 

[MeachTheMonster]

These excuses date back to SOHH. I seen dudes give HIGHLY opinionated thoughts on a game and when it came time to show them 30 day receipts nikkaz was as quiet as a dead Xbox 360.

I admit I'll talk about a game and post what I THINK the game is like or whatnot like I do with ROTR but I don't say "It's THIS and THAT" when I haven't even played it yet. That's just stupid lol.

Which is why you have such a strong opinon on Forza Horizon 2 although you have no receipts


And why @Prodigal Syndicate syndicate has hundreds of posts about Xbox one and X1 games although he's never set eyes on them let alone played


@Kamikaze Revy its fine if you want to condone profile stalking, but these aren't the two guys you should be teaming up with

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Option A: Ellie walks right in front of an enemy 30 times in 15 hours

Option B: Ellie unnaturally mirrors your every move for 15 hours straight.


I'll go with option A

Option c.

Elle reacts to enemies realistically, while loosely following the player

 

[basketball reasons]

I'm willing to bet you didn't play the game. last time in that other thread when I started coming up with rebuttals to your critiques for TLOU you tried to end the convo early on some " i'm not going to convince you" or w/e. I mean cool if you didn't like it no biggie but i'd like to know i'm not being trolled.

Thats how I end every debate I have online breh. Ive been on the internet too long to see how arguments about videogames go, I get my piece out then move on. If yall cant do the same thats on you. I like talking about videogames, I dont like getting heated over them, i used to do that shyt when i was a teenager.

I shouldve left my posts off at the story critique but I had so many bad moments with the Ai i couldnt help myself when it got brought up. If you need proof i cant give it to you. If you dont believe me thats just another thing you disagree with me on in this thread. is all i can do at this point.

 

[NasirJr]

I played it at a friends house i thought it was really good

I never finished it

 

[Fatboi1]

Which is why you have such a strong opinon on Forza Horizon 2 although you have no receipts


And why @Prodigal Syndicate syndicate has hundreds of posts about Xbox one and X1 games although he's never set eyes on them let alone played


@Kamikaze Revy its fine if you want to condone profile stalking, but these aren't the two guys you should be teaming up with

I already stated I played FH2 and the majority of the times I'm talking about FH2 is because I'm comparing and contrasting it with DC and how it's dissimilar and what works for FH2 wouldn't translate to DC because they have a different goal. Almost everything I said about FH2 is that I prefer DC to it because I don't care for all that customization and open world fluff though I still say FH2 is a solid game. Only when YOU start that DC nonsense do I outright say I think DC is better. I spend more time talking about DC as opposed to shytting on FH2 from inexperience. I don't spend time bashing FH2 and telling people it's inferior and not as great as it's thought to be based from youtube and forum posts.

 

[Fatboi1]

Thats how I end every debate I have online breh. Ive been on the internet too long to see how arguments about videogames go, I get my piece out then move on. If yall cant do the same thats on you. I like talking about videogames, I dont like getting heated over them, i used to do that shyt when i was a teenager.

I shouldve left my posts off at the story critique but I had so many bad moments with the Ai i couldnt help myself when it got brought up. If you need proof i cant give it to you. If you dont believe me thats just another thing you disagree with me on in this thread. is all i can do at this point.

Nobody is heated here lol. If being asked for receipts=getting heated then idk what to tell you breh.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I already stated I played FH2 and the majority of the times I'm talking about FH2 is because I'm comparing and contrasting it with DC and how it's dissimilar and what works for FH2 wouldn't translate to DC because they have a different goal. Almost everything I said about FH2 is that I prefer DC to it because I don't care for all that customization and open world fluff though I still say FH2 is a solid game. Only when YOU start that DC nonsense do I outright say I think DC is better. I spend more time talking about DC as opposed to shytting on FH2 from inexperience. I don't spend time bashing FH2 and telling people it's inferior and not as great as it's thought to be based from youtube and forum posts.

Receipts?

or are you just repeating what you heard about the game on neogaf?

 

[Kamikaze Revy]

Option c.

Elle reacts to enemies realistically, while loosely following the player

You're asking for a bit much with current AI. Its a stealth game. The only realistic option would have been to have Joel go it completely alone which would have crushed the story.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You're asking for a bit much with current AI. Its a stealth game. The only realistic option would have been to have Joel go it completely alone which would have crushed the story.

No. It's very possible to code A.I. That tries to avoid other A.I.