The moral case against football

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I really couldn't care less if other countries watch or care about football.

The NFL cares, they understand that there's only so much room for growth with this sport if it's relegated to just being an American sport. They have games in Europe now trying desperately to get the sport to stick but nobody there really cares about it because it's not free flowing and it's too expensive to play.

Pop warner is already seeing a decline in participation by kids and that's only going to get worse as more information about head injuries come out and more dudes are left looking like veggies. I see dudes mentioning other sports and the wear and tear on the body, but brain damage is a completely different animal than having leg injuries.
 

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The NFL cares, they understand that there's only so much room for growth with this sport if it's relegated to just being an American sport. They have games in Europe now trying desperately to get the sport to stick but nobody there really cares about it because it's not free flowing and it's too expensive to play.

Pop warner is already seeing a decline in participation by kids and that's only going to get worse as more information about head injuries come out and more dudes are left looking like veggies. I see dudes mentioning other sports and the wear and tear on the body, but brain damage is a completely different animal than having leg injuries.

I just enjoy the games. I dont care...I'm not worried about the NFL 30 years from now. Im worried about the Jets winning Sunday.

I get it. Soccer is European. The blogosphere is anti football, pro soccer. Football is a mammoth...and old jewish ladies werent letting their kids play football 20 years ago either. The guys like Jeff Pearlman writing about football dying were the guys who werent allowed to play when they were younger.

And if someone wants to provide a link that show the decline of youth football(btw, Pop Warner is only a faction ala Babe Ruth league etc), feel free. If anything's declined- it's baseball...not football.

Internet outrage doesnt translate in real life that well. The Redskins are still the Redskins...football is still doing record numbers. You can pray and pray for their downfall though if it makes you feel better. When Alabama has problems fielding a team then we can bring this back to the table.
 

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I just enjoy the games. I dont care...I'm not worried about the NFL 30 years from now. Im worried about the Jets winning Sunday.

I get it. Soccer is European. The blogosphere is anti football, pro soccer. Football is a mammoth...and old jewish ladies werent letting their kids play football 20 years ago either. The guys like Jeff Pearlman writing about football dying were the guys who werent allowed to play when they were younger.

And if someone wants to provide a link that show the decline of youth football(btw, Pop Warner is only a faction ala Babe Ruth league etc), feel free. If anything's declined- it's baseball...not football.

Internet outrage doesnt translate in real life that well. The Redskins are still the Redskins...football is still doing record numbers. You can pray and pray for their downfall though if it makes you feel better. When Alabama has problems fielding a team then we can bring this back to the table.

Again, while you may not care the NFL does care about globalizing the sport, it's just that the rest of the world couldn't careless. It doesn't even need to be 30 years, these things happen suddenly really, the media spotlight is now on the whole head trauma shyt and as more and more info comes out it will only get worse.


Pop Warner is the biggest league, if they saw a decline then it stands to reason there's a decline everywhere :yeshrug:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...rops-nfl-concussion-crisis-seen-causal-factor

High school participation rates are on the decline as well -
http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/high-school-football-participation-rates-on-declin/nb5ZL/

Of the 4 major sports, football is the only one without a foothold in another country, baseball is popular in parts of Asia and Latin America, Hockey is popular in Canada and Europe and I don't really need to speak on Basketball. The lone sport without any traction anywhere else in the world is football, it may dominate the US but if more and more mothers keep their sons out of the game it doesn't have the wide reaching talent pool like the other sports to just brush off declining participation rates within the US.
 

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Again, the NFL does care about globalizing the sport, it's just that the rest of the world couldn't careless. It doesn't even need to be 30 years, these things happen suddenly really, the media spotlight is now on the whole head trauma shyt and as more and more info comes out it will only get worse.


Pop Warner is the biggest league, if they saw a decline then it stands to reason there's a decline everywhere :yeshrug:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...rops-nfl-concussion-crisis-seen-causal-factor

High school participation rates are on the decline as well -
http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/high-school-football-participation-rates-on-declin/nb5ZL/

Of the 4 major sports, football is the only one without a foothold in another country, baseball is popular in parts of Asia and Latin America, Hockey is popular in Canada and Europe and I don't really need to speak on Basketball. The lone sport without any traction anywhere else in the world is football, it may dominate the US but if more and more mothers keep their sons out of the game it doesn't have the wide reaching talent pool like the other sports to just brush off declining participation rates within the US.

You have to make an attempt to globalize because of the internet. Pop Warner isnt even the biggest league if memory serves, just has the most name recognition.

Baseball has dried up significantly in the US. Football has never had traction globally...and has done just fine. The minimization of the talent pool is in places like Westchester NY(your hometown right?) where the talent has always sucked and is a predominantly liberal area...where over protective soccer moms have always been apprehensive about the sport. Jewish kids never played football....the media is overwhelmingly jewish, with the eruption of the blogosphere and alas...FOOTBALL IS EVIL! Would bet zero of these writers ever played even flag football let alone tackle.
 

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You have to make an attempt to globalize because of the internet. Pop Warner isnt even the biggest league if memory serves, just has the most name recognition.

Their attempt is falling short, and they aren't attempting it because of the internet, they're doing it because this market is maxed out already. There's little room left for growth in the US, they have to go outside the US at this point, the problem is the world is like :camby: Breh, did you even read the link :ld:

The nation's largest youth football program, Pop Warner, saw participation drop 9.5 percent between 2010-12, a sign that the concussion crisis that began in the NFL is having a dramatic impact at the lowest rungs of the sport.


Baseball has dried up significantly in the US. Football has never had traction globally...and has done just fine. The minimization of the talent pool is in places like Westchester NY(your hometown right?) where the talent has always sucked and is a predominantly liberal area...where over protective soccer moms have always been apprehensive about the sport. Jewish kids never played football....the media is overwhelmingly jewish, with the eruption of the blogosphere and alas...FOOTBALL IS EVIL! Would bet zero of these writers ever played even flag football let alone tackle.


My hometown is the Bronx, ain't a single football team there worth mentioning, Cardinal Spellman and Mt. Saint Michael would get washed by some JV teams in other states. Fam, that article above says Ohio saw a decline in HS football participation, nobody that genuinely cares about their son is going to let them play a sport where their life span could be cut down to 56 and they could face head injuries. It's the same reason very few mothers let their sons box and why the once dominant sport of boxing no longer rules America.
 

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Their attempt is falling short, and they aren't attempting it because of the internet, they're doing it because this market is maxed out already. There's little room left for growth in the US, they have to go outside the US at this point, the problem is the world is like :camby: Breh, did you even read the link :ld:







My hometown is the Bronx, ain't a single football team there worth mentioning, Cardinal Spellman and Mt. Saint Michael would get washed by some JV teams in other states. Fam, that article above says Ohio saw a decline in HS football participation, nobody that genuinely cares about their son is going to let them play a sport where their life span could be cut down to 56 and they could face head injuries. It's the same reason very few mothers let their sons box and why the once dominant sport of boxing no longer rules America.

Well let me know when programs have problems fielding teams. At this point, it's still as big as ever.

And doesn't the Lindon game full up every year? London wants the NFL apparently. The US fan has no interest about a team in London.
 

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Well let me know when programs have problems fielding teams. At this point, it's still as big as ever.


But, it's declining breh, nationwide participation is falling :lupe:

This is like global warming, you're going to see the effects in a few years, not right this second. The more retired players that suffer, the worse this will become.
 

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But, it's declining breh, nationwide participation is falling :lupe:

This is like global warming, you're going to see the effects in a few years, not right this second. The more retired players that suffer, the worse this will become.

We will see fam. If conferences start folding ill give you props.
 

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Lol. A multi billion dollar niche sport.
it's clear you can't imagine footbaw being drowned out in an increasingly globalized world that largely does not care about it

again, this is without even touching on the hazards of it. the bottom line is that most people just dont care about it. forget political boundaries for a second. 9/10 people do not care about this game. and the ones that do won't care about it forever - you've already mentioned baseball, which was riding high for a century+, but now is dying, according to you. what makes football special? it wont be here forever. just enjoy it while you can.
 

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it's clear you can't imagine footbaw being drowned out in an increasingly globalized world that largely does not care about it

again, this is without even touching on the hazards of it. the bottom line is that most people just dont care about it. forget political boundaries for a second. 9/10 people do not care about this game. and the ones that do won't care about it forever - you've already mentioned baseball, which was riding high for a century+, but now is dying, according to you. what makes football special? it wont be here forever. just enjoy it while you can.

Most people don't care about football ok man the money must just be coming from magic land
 
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it's clear you can't imagine footbaw being drowned out in an increasingly globalized world that largely does not care about it

again, this is without even touching on the hazards of it. the bottom line is that most people just dont care about it. forget political boundaries for a second. 9/10 people do not care about this game. and the ones that do won't care about it forever - you've already mentioned baseball, which was riding high for a century+, but now is dying, according to you. what makes football special? it wont be here forever. just enjoy it while you can.
When you say 9/10 I hope you mean 9/10 people globally don't are about it :ld: because nationally that stat don't hold up.
 
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