"the median number of lifetime sexual partners for men is around 6.3"

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The thing is, the only thing I'm demonstrating is a baseline of shyt women find attractive. I'm not a flossy dude at all. I'm short, bald, 40, a bad divorce, with bad razor burn on my neck. But I'm in shape, have a decent job, car, my own place. 80% of the clothes I own, no one...not even myself could tell you what I'm wearing. Everything else is disclosed in conversation and even then I keep most of what I have or aspire to hidden until I feel it's appropriate to talk about.

Not necessarily saying you, but a lot of dudes don't want to or can't meet that baseline of shyt that men think women stereotypically want.

I'm not even not saying that the dating game isn't fukked up right now, it absolutely is. Social media and out of control values or lack thereof has made dating ratios way the fukk out of wack. And I readily admit a lot of women's expectations are unrealistic. But every dude these women are fukking isn't triple-sixed up. 100% of women can't chase 5% of dudes in perpetuity.

And for what it's worth, I'd trade over half my bodycount if I could find 80-90% of what I'm looking for in a woman. I'm just playing the game for what it is right now. And honestly, if more dudes did that I think it would level out the playing field and ultimately make it better wholesale for dudes across the board. But dudes are choosing not to even play.
The things you listed are just that...baseline, especially by their standards and by a certain age. Your change in fortune is more about your superior understanding of how to move versus the notion pushed about leveling up.

Just about all dudes want to meet that baseline. Most of them can't due to COL outpacing wages. The most control a man has over those variables is being shape. Everything else is income-related.

Every dude doesn't have to be triple-sixed up to fuçk, but that's the men who are dealing with overspending on dates, flakiness, mixed signals, be extra persistent just to say they did it, wrestling against genuine desire.

The top 5% is a lofty group and I'd disagree and say most women would spend quite a long time chasing them, even if that means putting a lesser man through the ringer and settling once he's "earned" her, and still fuçking with Mr. Top 5. This is the late Millennial and Gen Z class of women who literally grew up on social media and Basketball Wives/Love & Hip-Hop. They'll always look for better for as long as their looks allow.

Most men, as in more than half, will find some degree of "success", but those top three quintiles (20/20/20) will all look different. As society is set up now there is a bottom 40% that simply will struggle.

If you know how fuçked up dating has become and exactly why it's become that way, you can't blame those men for not playing a rigged game.
 

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I'd say being relatively put together. I focus on my fitness because I can't be short AND skinny or fat.

I'd say gainfully employed, because yes...women want a provider. But it doesn't necessarily mean 6 figures. I read a study earlier this week, professions women find the most appealing are as follows; doctor, lawyer, businessman, cop, firefighter, military man.

Car, yes...unless you're in Manhattan, DC, Chicago or some shyt where you don't really need a car.

Your own place if you're 30+...but 2 of my OG's are roommates in their 40's and still get a fair amount of women.

I can't reiterate this enough. There are NO ABSOLUTES IN DATING, ONLY AVERAGES.

Good post, thanks! I am 5'7" Would that be considered short?
 

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The things you listed are just that...baseline, especially by their standards and by a certain age. Your change in fortune is more about your superior understanding of how to move versus the notion pushed about leveling up.

Just about all dudes want to meet that baseline. Most of them can't due to COL outpacing wages. The most control a man has over those variables is being shape. Everything else is income-related.

Every dude doesn't have to be triple-sixed up to fuçk, but that's the men who are dealing with overspending on dates, flakiness, mixed signals, be extra persistent just to say they did it, wrestling against genuine desire.

The top 5% is a lofty group and I'd disagree and say most women would spend quite a long time chasing them, even if that means putting a lesser man through the ringer and settling once he's "earned" her, and still fuçking with Mr. Top 5. This is the late Millennial and Gen Z class of women who literally grew up on social media and Basketball Wives/Love & Hip-Hop. They'll always look for better for as long as their looks allow.

Most men, as in more than half, will find some degree of "success", but those top three quintiles (20/20/20) will all look different. As society is set up now there is a bottom 40% that simply will struggle.

If you know how fuçked up dating has become and exactly why it's become that way, you can't blame those men for not playing a rigged game.
I think I can concede to most of your points. However, I think it's a matter of perspective and when considering the alternative, a society where most women chase after a small percentage of men is a recipe for collapse. Believe it or not...this has happened before historically and in multiple societies. It's part of the reason marriage developed as an institution.

I don't think we'll get to that point; the zeitgeist will change inevitably as it always does every 20 or so years, when even women realize this isn't sustainable for relationships or honestly, even their very own mental health.

I just don't think dudes should wholesale start to give up. I had some goofy bytch last week tell me I wasn't on her level, just from looking at my IG...meanwhile she's a single mom. I had to tell her, I think your basis for comparison is flawed and I can assure you whatever level you think you and I are at isn't the same. bytch blocked me. I just kept it moving; I can't even remember her name.
 
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I'm guessing this would be a few girlfriends, long time friends with benefits, and serious relationship(long term relationship and/or marriage) over the course of a lifetime. Not including one night stands.
 

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Man just having your own place early while being single (got mine at 19) will have women flocking to you.

Me and my closest nikkas were partying like a mfer. As soon as some chicks in that age range find out you have a crib, they are trying to pull up A LOT.



throw in the car/drug combo.....game over :wow:
 

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10 is not a crazy number.

You could do that one year in college if you look halfway decent.

So you expect me to believe brehs can't get that in a lifetime?

the coli has a lot of self proclaimed introverts and people who don't party.




you gotta read the room.
 

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I think I can concede to most of your points. However, I think it's a matter of perspective and when considering the alternative, a society where most women chase after a small percentage of men is a recipe for collapse. Believe it or not...this has happened before historically and in multiple societies. It's part of the reason marriage developed as an institution.

I don't think we'll get to that point; the zeitgeist will change inevitably as it always does every 20 or so years, when even women realize this isn't sustainable for relationships or honestly, even their very own mental health.

I just don't think dudes should wholesale start to give up. I had some goofy bytch last week tell me I wasn't on her level, just from looking at my IG...meanwhile she's a single mom. I had to tell her, I think your basis for comparison is flawed and I can assure you whatever level you think you and I are at isn't the same. bytch blocked me. I just kept it moving; I can't even remember her name.
This is a case of us battling an overarching theme, not each other...but we're definitely divergent lol. Because if we did use the 20 year metric (2020//2000//1980//1960//1940 etc), I think we're gonna deal with that alternative being the zeitgeist much more likely than the ship correcting itself in the 23rd hour. 2040 is not that far away just like 2010 isn't.

My thing, this doesn't improve unless women improve it. Yeah I know everyone things men have to pick up every societal weight, but we didn't change gender roles over the course of a century, we, outside of the male lawmakers, simply adapted to them as the initiators/"hunters" who have to understand what "works". Two men born in 1935 and 1995 did not and cannot approach dating and women the same way.

The grand societal council women have to have is:

"We've fought for equality. We have it. But we pick and choose when it applies, especially financially. So, there are three umbrellas categories we look at: physical attraction, interior compatibility (personality/intellect/spiritual/morals), and finance. Which one of these 3 are we willing to place 3rd or disregard for the sake of the other 2 giving us a realistic and healthy path towards long-term partnership?

Can I deal with Diet Morris Chestnut the grade school gym teacher having the personality I need and not wanting to become the next millionaire fitness king/personal trainer? Am I good with Great Value Will Smith M.D. needing me to conform to his opposing philosophies and family ethics to get the middle/upper middle class life without chipping in? Does it matter that the lawyer willing to do the same and is the man on the inside that I asked for, is Jordan Peele instead of Michael B. Jordan?"

But we know they won't do that anytime soon. So brehs "give up" in the sense of leaning into themselves and what they're interested in...cats hate the term but "MGTOW" has become much more pertinent than they want to admit.

They don't say "I'll never touch a woman (again)!" but prioritize other things. And at 31 I'm on that boat because I have wayyyy more important shyt to focus on than ways to have the the same interaction you just described, or worse, a broken condom and "I'm late" text.
 

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I just don't see how unless you're just rejecting it..

I believe nikkas will pay for it more than 6 times in their lives :dead:

I've seen the ugly nikka get some just by hanging with the right nikkas


right? I've caught so much left over p*ssy just from right place right time :wow:
 
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I buy it

You go to the club and what do you see? A bunch of nikkax standing around with cement for legs looking at all the women. There is an extremely small portion of wolves that are willing to put themselves in a position to win or lose. Even the most extroverted nikkax aren’t taking something home after the club/party at a clip worth bring up

But all those people are better off than the people who arent at the party/club/gathering to begin with

Add the fact that a nikka has to fill good about himself to step to women on the street

Let’s not even talk about the apps…

Long story short? You know the guys getting p*ssy

1) Women find you attractive physically
2) Socially you’re a demon
3) You give off man’s man

It isn’t always one size fits all but the three above are genetically designed to eat

There’s a lot of nikkax out there that would be done a favor if they got some p*ssy

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This ain’t 2012
You gotta put in extra work in 2024 to get some traction
 
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