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Some you nikkas must not have jobs to do all this Data mining for free.
The meaning(lessness) of Westbrook's triple-doubles
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Russell Westbrook of the Oklahoma City Thunder, NBA player stats
This is one of his links. I advice you to look through it as it literally displays not only good he's played, but how the team is better in everything while he's on the floor, including defense.
This is one of his links. I advice you to look through it as it literally displays not only good he's played, but how the team is better in everything while he's on the floor, including defense.
Cause it's not what they want to hear.
Notice how only a few people actually tried to refute what he said.
That win loss shyt is so stupid. The boards me nothing. Of course they do better when he gets a triple double. That means he got 10 assists and his teammates are making shots.
I bet his double double numbers would look identical in comparison
I bet his double double numbers would look identical in comparison
Honestly, for all the nikkas that try to take away the relevance of a player averaging a triple double for a season, would y'all be willing to straight up say triple doubles in general aren't all that important/impressive? I'd at least respect someone that said that. Go the baseball advanced metric route and marganilize a star getting a triple crown in favor of some random acronym you think better represents production. But if we're doing that, that means I never have to hear about Oscar Robertson again. Because I know y'all ain't about to put in the work necessary to see if every single one of his triple doubles were "legit"(whatever the fukk that means)
Westbrook is a amazing player having an amazing season, the problem is that people put to much emphasis on these triple-doubles, and the meaningless stats that have little to no impact on the grand scheme of the game. Saying Westbrook deserves the MVP because he snags a couple more uncontested rebounds is a disservice to his play this season.
Yeah he does chase stats here and there but the media, fans, etc cause this because it makes headlines everytime he gets a triple double even though uncontested rebound 7 or fast break dump off assist for number 9 had no impact on the game at all. What should be looked at is what caused the miss for that rebound number 7, or what caused the fast break for assist number 9. This will never happen though because the casual fan and the media don't find the most basic of advanced statistics appealing to analyze until ESPN starts shoving it down people's throats.
Edit: it makes you think, what if the traditional box score replaced assists and rebounds with different stats like Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating. A triple double meaning a players offensive rating is in triple digits and their defensive rating is in double digits would mean a lot more than what a triple double is now.
Yeah he does chase stats here and there but the media, fans, etc cause this because it makes headlines everytime he gets a triple double even though uncontested rebound 7 or fast break dump off assist for number 9 had no impact on the game at all. What should be looked at is what caused the miss for that rebound number 7, or what caused the fast break for assist number 9. This will never happen though because the casual fan and the media don't find the most basic of advanced statistics appealing to analyze until ESPN starts shoving it down people's throats.
Edit: it makes you think, what if the traditional box score replaced assists and rebounds with different stats like Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating. A triple double meaning a players offensive rating is in triple digits and their defensive rating is in double digits would mean a lot more than what a triple double is now.
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Erratic415
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what "legit" really means just depends on whoever is saying it. They're all "legit" to me, just under different circumstances.
From a basketball forum:
Almost everyone has heard how the stat keeping of assists can be inconsistent, and people like Oscar the Grouch have complained about it being too lenient nowadays.
I was on another page and someone pointed out how off the stats were for rebounds back in the 50s and 60s.
Obviously not every missed shot is going to result in a rebound. There are air balls, shots that go out of bounds, loose balls, a guy goes up for 2 FTs and misses the 1st, etc..
There's always several more missed shots than rebounds. For 2014-15, teams missed a combined 51.8 shots (46.1 FGs and 5.7 FTs) and averaged 43.3 rebounds per game. It's been like this for a long time.
NBA League Averages | Basketball-Reference.com
Looking back in the 50s and 60s, the amount of rebounds is so high. In fact, in 1959-60, teams averaged 73.5 rebounds per game and 73.7 misses per game (64.2 FGs and 9.5 FTs). This just seems really off and makes me question the accuracy of the stats. I wonder if they just called anything a rebound, such as the ball bouncing off the rim, it turns into a loose ball, and the guy who gets the loose ball is awarded with the rebound.
Any of the historians know anything about the stat keeping during this era?
On a side note, it must have been strange to see the crazy pace of how quickly teams shot the ball.
Teams routinely averaged over 100 FGs per game in the 60s, even 109 FGA one year. For comparison, the "6 Seconds or Less" Suns with Nash averaged about 87 FGA per game.
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All OP did was confirm he a CAC
Illuminatos
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Lol the Coli really hates facts and evidence.
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The thing is basketball is a very nuanced game with a lot of data and especially when you start breaking it down to advanced metrics and analytics you find a lot of numbers and trends that reinforce and confirm traditional wisdom and opinions, and also a lot of data that doesn't necessarily jive with or actually contradicts what we generally accept to be true and known. In this way, the contrarion's job is fairly easy in 2017. If you're a stat geek with an agenda, by narrowing in on a few select pieces of data you can start to craft a narrative conterintuitive to traditional wisdom or even common sense, all the while shielded by the "facts and stats" refrain that can be very convincing to casuals. 
letti cook
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we just cant let a nikka be historic 
Black Bolt
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If players could effortlessly stat pad their way to average a 30 point triple double they would. You're doing too much.