The Lost Story of Islam in Jamaica

[88m3]

I'd also like to add if Islam had this great presence in the New World what does that say about Islam?

That their own people sold them into slavery in massive quantities for profit?

That their tribes were too weak to resist becoming slaves?



Just some stuff that would be running through mind if I were a Muslim.



Is Islam supposed to be a tool for reconnecting with our African roots?

I never really understood that one either.

 

[TRFG]

No one is trying to diss Islam.

Why don't you read the the little blurb in the link digest it and get to back to us and tell us what you took away from it.


I think it's an interesting idea. I'm not really seeing the basis for it at all.


A lot of things from Africa carried over to the Caribbean. There are West African religions, songs, customs, words, foods, and more that I probably couldn't even begin to list

I'm not trying to be funny but Islam was not one of them. You really have to ask yourself why it didn't continue to be followed/passed on? Was Islam not important enough to these people? Was Islam present in numbers great enough to sustain it in the first place?

I'm really not trying to be a prick but this is the logical way I see things.

@The Real whats your best guess?

Bro, you're are talking to someone that was born and raised in the Caribbean. I did Caribbean history for 10 years of my life, hardly anything was carried over to the New World and if it was retained and if it was it was lost when we were transition into Slaves. You wanna know why? Slaves were acquired from different tribes who spoke different languages. How can you interact with people you can't communicate with. Most of the food, customs, word and religion you speak of were all created in the Caribbean. That's why there's food like roti and others that have Arab, Indian and Amerindian influence.

 

[88m3]

Bro, you're are talking to someone that was born and raised in the Caribbean. I did Caribbean history for 10 years of my life, hardly anything was carried over to the New World and if it was retained and if it was it was lost when we were transition into Slaves. You wanna know why? Slaves were acquired from different tribes who spoke different languages. How can you interact with people you can't communicate with. Most of the food, customs, word and religion you speak of were all created in the Caribbean. That's why there's food like roti and others that have Arab, Indian and Amerindian influence.

Are you the author from the link?

What do you consider "hardly anything"? I strongly disagree.

When has speaking different languages ever gotten in the way of Islam?


You're trying to jump hundreds of years into the future with the reach to connect the dots in the last sentence....

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Black Muslims epitomize the word c00n.

Self hatred is fully ensured when a black man kowtows to the god of a dirty camel rider.

AMEN,

Don't forget to shot on dem black christians too. They'd sellout any black person for jesus!!!

No one is trying to diss Islam.

Why don't you read the the little blurb in the link digest it and get to back to us and tell us what you took away from it.


I think it's an interesting idea. I'm not really seeing the basis for it at all.


A lot of things from Africa carried over to the Caribbean. There are West African religions, songs, customs, words, foods, and more that I probably couldn't even begin to list

I'm not trying to be funny but Islam was not one of them. You really have to ask yourself why it didn't continue to be followed/passed on? Was Islam not important enough to these people? Was Islam present in numbers great enough to sustain it in the first place?

I'm really not trying to be a prick but this is the logical way I see things.

@The Real whats your best guess?

Exactly islam wasn't there until the East Indian indentured servants came.

Afro Caribbeans, DON'T LET THESE FILTHY MUSLIMS FOOL INTO THINKING ISLAM IS "THE BLACK MAN'S RELIGION". It's Ahmed's camel f*cking religion........ and guess what?Ahmed don't like your black ass!!!! He won't mind re-enslaving your black ass.


Tell dem towel heads fo go stick the quran in dem muma n run weh!!!

 

[TRFG]

AMEN,

Don't forget to shot on dem black christians too. They'd sellout any black person for jesus!!!

Exactly islam wasn't there until the East Indian indentured servants came.

Afro Caribbeans, DON'T LET THESE FILTHY MUSLIMS FOOL INTO THINKING ISLAM IS "THE BLACK MAN'S RELIGION". It's Ahmed's camel f*cking religion........ and guess what?Ahmed don't like your black ass!!!! He won't mind re-enslaving your black ass.


Tell dem towel heads fo go stick the quran in dem muma n run weh!!!

I'm not being a dikk or ignorant. So who is the black man's "god"?

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Muhammad shabba ranks.

 

[88m3]

I'm not being a dikk or ignorant.

I'm still waiting for you to display the "ten years of Caribbean History" you obtained....

 

[Bondye Vodou]

I'm not being a dikk or ignorant. So who is the black man's "god"?

Go look up the Orisha, you say yous an Island nikka!!

Ever heard of "Nancy Stories"? The Spider Anancy? HE WAS A AFRICAN GOD.

Basically my dude these Africans had THEIR OWN GODS called the Orisha for example Shango (still have Shango baptiste in Trinidad today).

They had to syncretize their African religions with the christian Religions to hide the fact that they were still praying to the Orisha. Hence why you still have obeah(on Jamaica & the Smaller Islands) Santeria( In Cuba)& Voodoo (Haiti). If any of em were Muslim it was a minuscule number.

The East indians on the other hand brought Hinduism & Islam (Mostly in Trinidad) to Caribbean. I'm from St. Vincent, they tried to bring Islam to my country & nikkaz wasn't even paying those fkers no mind.

Most Caribbean people are Christians because their ancestors were FORCED to be. If they were never enslaved they'd probably still be in Africa praying to the Orisha.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orisha


Islam & Christianity ain't nuttin but tools used to destroy African identity & culture

 

[TRFG]

Go look up the Orisha, you say yous an Island nikka!!

Ever heard of "Nancy Stories"? The Spider Anancy? HE WAS A AFRICAN GOD.

Basically my dude these Africans had THEIR OWN GODS called the Orisha for example Shango (still have Shango baptiste in Trinidad today).

They had to syncretize their African religions with the christian Religions to hide the fact that they were still praying to the Orisha. Hence why you still have obeah(on Jamaica & the Smaller Islands) Santeria( In Cuba)& Voodoo (Haiti). If any of em were Muslim it was a minuscule number.

The East indians on the other hand brought Hinduism & Islam (Mostly in Trinidad) to Caribbean. I'm from St. Vincent, they tried to bring Islam to my country & nikkaz wasn't even paying those fkers no mind.

Most Caribbean people are Christians because their ancestors were FORCED to be. If they were never enslaved they'd probably still be in Africa praying to the Orisha.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orisha


Islam & Christianity ain't nuttin but tools used to destroy African identity & culture

Parents told me about that and fireballs growing up.. That shyt really scared a nikka

 

[Virtuous_Brotha]

AMEN,

Don't forget to shot on dem black christians too. They'd sellout any black person for jesus!!!

Exactly islam wasn't there until the East Indian indentured servants came.

Afro Caribbeans, DON'T LET THESE FILTHY MUSLIMS FOOL INTO THINKING ISLAM IS "THE BLACK MAN'S RELIGION". It's Ahmed's camel f*cking religion........ and guess what?Ahmed don't like your black ass!!!! He won't mind re-enslaving your black ass.


Tell dem towel heads fo go stick the quran in dem muma n run weh!!!

lol @Chris.B dapping your post shyting on black christians but not saying shyt when i g-checked him,defend yourself nikka why you riding so hard on one for being arab influenced when jesus was also middle eastern?i honestly would love to know your rational

 

[Blackking]

Page 161:
"Islam prevailed over obeah (witchcraft)... in influencing the actions, behavior, and attitude of the enslaved Africans."

Notice how all the diverse, native African belief systems are lumped into one category, "obeah," which she specifically makes synonymous with "witchcraft." Replace Islam with Christianity, and that sentence sounds exactly like something a white racist would write about Africans.

Page 161:
"Cedric Robinson... calls the slave resistance in the Americas... influenced by African traditions embedded in obeah, voodoo, and hoodoo. These analyses only strengthen traditional Eurocentric views that Africans were uncivilized polytheists, steeped in witchcraft and ancestor worship."

Here she takes Black scholar Cedric Robinson to task for underestimating the Muslim influence on slave rebellions. Notice that her only comment about connecting native African religions to slaves is that they feed into "Eurocentric" views that Africans were uncivilized and did witchcraft. There's no room in her narrative for African beliefs that aren't "uncivilized." That's literally the only way she is capable of seeing pre-Islamic ideas.

Page 162:
"Cedric Robinson's work, instead of upholding the greatness of West African cultural and moral traditions based on monotheistic Islamic belief... falls into the trap of Western scholarship of damnation of the Africans into the world of evil darkness and brutal savagery."

Again, notice how she manages to twist a pro-Black writer's work praising the way that native African beliefs allowed slaves to develop pride and resist oppression and turn it into a "damnation" of Africans into "evil darkness and brutal savagery." The reason she doesn't agree with Robinson's pride in African religion and sees his work as spreading negative ideas about Africans is that in her world, savagery is all that pre-Islamic African culture is. Does that sound like a pro-Black writer talking?

Page 162:
"The promotion of African indulgence in obeah only strengthens the images of Africans as devoid of science and intellectual enlightenment but an Africa based on superstition and falsehood."

So now ANY reference to the presence of native African beliefs is somehow racist AGAINST Africans! If this woman were Black, at this point I'd have no choice but to accuse her of rampant c00nery.

Page 162:
"Since obeah or the practice of witchcraft symbolizes evil and stands against goodness and the creation of the Supreme Creator, it is prohibited in Islam. The pursuit of obeah or magic leads to the establishment of falsehood based on superstitious beliefs with the help of evil spirits called Jinn in Islam. Islam offers special protection against witchcraft to its followers. Exorcism is also a common practice among Muslims to free people or places from such evil spirits."

And there's the religious ranting I mentioned.


Bottom line, any Black man supporting this kind of racist filth is either wildly ignorant or a self-loathing tapdancer themselves.

But what does this have to do with Islam in Africa or islam in Jamica?

Everything I stated still stands.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

But what does this have to do with Islam in Africa or islam in Jamica?

Everything I stated still stands.

 

[Blackking]

I'd also like to add if Islam had this great presence in the New World what does that say about Islam?

That their own people sold them into slavery in massive quantities for profit?

That their tribes were too weak to resist becoming slaves?



Just some stuff that would be running through mind if I were a Muslim.



Is Islam supposed to be a tool for reconnecting with our African roots?

I never really understood that one either.

Islam didn't have a "great" presence in the New World.... but it did have presence... You trying to imply that it's lack of presence today- "says something about Islam "is retarded considering that very few traditions and beliefs survived trans atlantic slavery and the mental brainwashing.

Them selling each other into slavery... says the same thing about all people on our planet who do it, regardless of religion--- but I guess it's only ok if athiest, Christians, and 'others' do it.

More than likely the most powerful tribes or kingdoms would enslave others...

Islam isn't a tool to reconnect to African roots... but depending on your background.. you may be proud of your african roots. Maybe your people were a part of a great kingdom.. maybe there is madd notable history in that area - and maybe one of the oldest things that you can connect with is Islam because ur people traded and made cultural exchanges and ended up with a mixed culture.




On a side note ..... look at the VERY FEW areas that still til this day practice ancient African spiritual practices... THEN find one that isn't currently Islamic. You wont. What does that say? ? ?
What does it say about those who don't know a gottdamn thing about African culture but still feel the need to even discuss this??

 

[Blackking]

who cares about that ladies POv..

more important than that is the manipulation of history, i think

 

[The Real]

But what does this have to do with Islam in Africa or islam in Jamica?

Everything I stated still stands.

You asked if she called native African traditions primitive and savage. I was just giving you the proof.

who cares about that ladies POv..
more important than that is the manipulation of history, i think

She is manipulating history, though, just with Islam and Arab civilization at the forefront instead of Europeans and Christianity. In both versions, Black people are savages who never created anything on their own and were thankfully civilized by a foreign culture and religion.

I object to that distortion.