The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.

[mastermind]

Except Dems want Republicans out because Republicans want to strip the rights away from marginalized groups, if not outright stop them from existing altogether.

If you ask a Republican voter, they will say something like, "I think the Dems want to destroy this country."

I am not denying the subtext is different, but they will tell you something along the lines of this country is being destroyed or we are losing this country.

 

[mastermind]

So if a candidate loses, it's the fault of the voters and not the person who's job it is to convince people to vote for them.

Exactly

 

[Secure Da Bag]

We're not losing. You are.

You're worried about Cornel and before that Bernie. Winners wouldn't worry about people they claim are losers.

Even now you're in here trying to shyt on someone you claim has no chance of winning. Instead of telling us why your candidate is better than him.

Own your decisions, loser.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim I actually respect you more than most fam...but what the fukk are you talking about with this bernie bullshyt??

Bernie would NOT win a general election. Don't tell me you understand this country without understanding this.

The fact that you keep saying this, over and over again, doesn't make it true.

The wealthy desperately, desperately want everyone to believe this. And so far, their only actual argument for it is, "It's true because we keep saying it's true, and because we've put out a LOT of propaganda saying how bad socialism is so you must believe it! Really, you must!"


Why did you claim that I was going to ignore the polls, then when I objectively posted the last 20 polls showing Bernie with a DOMINANT lead, you just straight up ignored them? Aren't you doing the exact shyt you claimed I would do?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The fact that you keep saying this, over and over again, doesn't make it true.

The wealthy desperately, desperately want everyone to believe this. And so far, their only actual argument for it is, "It's true because we keep saying it's true, and because we've put out a LOT of propaganda saying how bad socialism is so you must believe it! Really, you must!"


Why did you claim that I was going to ignore the polls, then when I objectively posted the last 20 polls showing Bernie with a DOMINANT lead, you just straight up ignored them? Aren't you doing the exact shyt you claimed I would do?

"the wealthy"

Why is everything a fukking conspiracy against you all?

Fam, people are not buying what sanders was selling. Elizabeth Warren is as close to a tangible progressive type that this country will ever elect nationally and she didn't go far...but RHETORICALLY she knows how to thread that needle enough to win. The only reason Sanders ran in 2016 is cause Warren did not.

Fam, are you black? This pie in the sky shyt is devoid of reality. No one who matters thought bernie would win the general election...thats why no one actually voted for him. The polls reflect preferences, not reality. Again, you're lying if you keep saying this because this has been explained, tested, and affirmed.

BLACK VOTERS DO NOT TRUST WHITE PROGRESSIVES TO DELIVER WHEN THEY CANT EVEN DELIVER WHITE VOTERS!

Bernie never had a dominant lead. I AM A BLACK MALE. I have my ear to the ground in black politics in the south. it was never going to work.

Funny how you want to quote polls then ignore my polls on trans issues. How does this work?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're worried about Cornel and before that Bernie. Winners wouldn't worry about people they claim are losers.

Even now you're in here trying to shyt on someone you claim has no chance of winning. Instead of telling us why your candidate is better than him.

Own your decisions, loser.

Why did bernie lose more the 2nd time than the 1st? And explain this without blaming the DNC.

Where is his culpability?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I go into an irrational rage around these arguments.

I agree, your arguments are entirely irrational.

yo look at this nikka man

what type of questions are these?

is this supposed to mean something to me?

Obama TRIED to get all this shyt done. Biden is TRYING to get all this shyt done.

And yall fukking cult members think its just not being bernie in office means its the reason we haven't found the socialist god yet or repented for our neoliberal ways and thats why the world hasn't come together in harmony and righteous heavenly existence.

Yall sound fukking nuts man. Just evangelical pawns.

Please answer the question.

When Obama entered office, he had 59 (soon 60) senators on his side, a heavy majority in the House, and a clear national mandate.

Now, I'll ask you again. Do you feel like the country and the world, if they continued with first term Obama policies, would be on a positive, sustainable track? Do you believe that global warming would somehow stop, that constant growth economy would somehow be sustainable, that the environment would somehow not tap out, and that the wealth gap would somehow close?


Now, if you think that Obama has some super secret policies that would have achived these things, but someone blocked him...what were they? What were the secret Obama policies that would have stopped global warming, fixed the economy, saved the environment, and closed the wealth gap? And why, when he had massive advantages coming into office, did he choose to ignore those and instead just saved the bankers and dumped a ton of money into a bloated health care system without reforming jack shyt?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Bernie never had a dominant lead. I AM A BLACK MALE. I have my ear to the ground in black politics in the south. it was never going to work.

You think Black voters would have picked Trump over Bernie?

Funny how you want to quote polls then ignore my polls on trans issues. How does this work?

WTF are you talking about? Where have I ever had a discussion with you about trans issues and polls? You're just wildly making shyt up now.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You think Black voters would have picked Trump over Bernie?

NO nikka WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!

THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING. You keep touting HYPOTHETICAL BERNIE V TRUMP POLLS...WHICH ARE HYPOTHETICALS! IT WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAD TO VOTE BECAUSE THE PRIMARIES WERE NOT WON YET. YOU QUOTED POLLS FROM MARCH TO MAY 2020!!!

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I agree, your arguments are entirely irrational.







Please answer the question.

When Obama entered office, he had 59 (soon 60) senators on his side, a heavy majority in the House, and a clear national mandate.

Now, I'll ask you again. Do you feel like the country and the world, if they continued with first term Obama policies, would be on a positive, sustainable track? Do you believe that global warming would somehow stop, that constant growth economy would somehow be sustainable, that the environment would somehow not tap out, and that the wealth gap would somehow close?

The super majority lasted 2 months.

You should know this.

Debunking the Myth: Obama's Two-Year Supermajority

A fleeting, illusory supermajority

The Supermajority That Never Really Was

I constantly read and hear that Obama was a terrible president and didn’t care about the average American because he had a Congressional Democratic Supermajority, but he just failed to use it. That is a LIE!!! That is a GOP LIE!!! Repeating it, just...

www.dailykos.com

Now, if you think that Obama has some super secret policies that would have achived these things, but someone blocked him...what were they? What were the secret Obama policies that would have stopped global warming, fixed the economy, saved the environment, and closed the wealth gap? And why, when he had massive advantages coming into office, did he choose to ignore those and instead just saved the bankers and dumped a ton of money into a bloated health care system without reforming jack shyt?

Unprecedented circumstances which is why Biden has the rare chance to react differently 10+ years later.

It's rare you get a mulligan in politics.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

"the wealthy"

Why is everything a fukking conspiracy against you all?

WTF are you talking about? You're the one pushing the conspiracy theories.


1. You say Bernie couldn't possible win in the general election.

2. I posted all the polls showing that ALL of them had Bernie dominating the general election.

3. You say, "But he can't win! He can't! A socialism can never win even if most people say they would vote for him!"

4. I responded that yes, the wealthy keep pushing that claim and want everyone to believe it, but don't have the slightest objective evidence that it's true. Their only support for the claim is the fact that they've repeated it so often.



Now, where is my "conspiracy"? It's not like they hide the fact that they say, "But socialists can't win!" over and over again. I'm posting objective evidence, while you're only argument is repetition.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

dumped a ton of money into a bloated health care system without reforming jack shyt?

OK, you're being a disingenuous little piece of shyt if you refuse to acknowledge how monumental that was considering how difficult it was for Hillary to attempt to do 30 years prior.

I see this game we're playing. I got it now.

Its "progressives would've created the NHS free from the grip of reality but democrats are just neoliberal pieces of shyt who are too scared to institute real change"

Got it fam. You're not even trying anymore.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

WTF are you talking about? You're the one pushing the conspiracy theories.


1. You say Bernie couldn't possible win in the general election.

2. I posted all the polls showing that ALL of them had Bernie dominating the general election.

3. You say, "But he can't win! He can't! A socialism can never win even if most people say they would vote for him!"

4. I responded that yes, the wealthy keep pushing that claim and want everyone to believe it, but don't have the slightest objective evidence that it's true. Their only support for the claim is the fact that they've repeated it so often.



Now, where is my "conspiracy"? It's not like they hide the fact that they say, "But socialists can't win!" over and over again. I'm posting objective evidence, while you're only argument is repetition.

Bernie dominated hypothetical polls. Who would even honestly respect those poll results? The primary wasn't over yet. It's a hypothetical match up. Thats like asking if Superman would beat Batman.

You know how I know? Because those same polls forgot that he lost the primary by a bigger vote margin than 2016 and because I know white people, independents and anti-trump republicans, that they would not vote for Bernie.

Read the room lil bro.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The super majority lasted 2 months.

You should know this.

Debunking the Myth: Obama's Two-Year Supermajority

A fleeting, illusory supermajority

The Supermajority That Never Really Was

I constantly read and hear that Obama was a terrible president and didn’t care about the average American because he had a Congressional Democratic Supermajority, but he just failed to use it. That is a LIE!!! That is a GOP LIE!!! Repeating it, just...

www.dailykos.com

Unprecedented circumstances which is why Biden has the rare chance to react differently 10+ years later.

It's rare you get a mulligan in politics.

Why are you deflecting? I never even said the word "supermajority", I said he had 59-60 senators which was true for the entire first two years. Reagan, Bush, and Trump all managed to transform the country with far less than that.

Now, are you going to answer my question or not? This is the third time I'm asking you, which deflection are you going to try this time?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why are you deflecting? I never even said the word "supermajority", I said he had 59-60 senators which was true for the entire first two years. Reagan, Bush, and Trump all managed to transform the country with far less than that.

Now, are you going to answer my question or not? This is the third time I'm asking you, which deflection are you going to try this time?

Oh so now you're lying about why you mentioned his "massive advantages" by quoting the number of senators he had.

Again, he's a black politician on thin ice but you want him to fix 400 years of bullshyt with his first 4 years of financial hell not knowing at that point if he would get another 4 years.

What are you talking about?

You Neo-progressives are just devoid of reality and lack respect for context, history, or thorough analysis.

Your question doesn't even make sense. Of course the world would be better under Obama. Did you see what Trump was doing?