WHY DIDNT OBAMA SAVE US!!! 
nikka, WHAT?!
nikka, WHAT?!
The Long-Shot Candidate Who Has the White House Worried - Joe Biden has a Cornel West problem.
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Idiotic analogy. You're directly asking people, "Who would you vote for?" in an attempt to predict....who they would vote for. That's not a tough hypothetical.
You know how I know? Because those same polls forgot that he lost the primary by a bigger vote margin than 2016 and because I know white people, independents and anti-trump republicans, that they would not vote for Bernie.
Read the room lil bro.
Seconds ago you said Bernie couldn't win cause you knew Black people, now it's that you know White people, I guess you know everyone.
It's hilarious that we've gone from 2019's "Only White people support Bernie" to "Bernie can't win cause White people would never support him."
Bernie dominates among independents including in actual elections by the way, so good try there.
Why Sanders Does Better With Independents
During the 2004 presidential primaries, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean made headlines by asserting that he represented the “Democratic wing of the Democratic P…
fivethirtyeight.com
And even Republicans become more fond of Bernie the longer they look at him, which is pretty much the opposite of what happens with Biden, so....
Bernie Sanders draws enthusiastic cheers in surprising Fox News town hall
The setup looked potentially hostile but became a free, hourlong commercial for the Sanders candidacy, broadcast to Fox viewers
www.theguardian.com
Bernie Sanders Just Gave His Best Campaign Speech Yet—On Fox News
Sanders took on his so-called radical reputation with precision and humor.
Seconds ago you said Bernie couldn't win cause you knew Black people, now it's that you know White people, I guess you know everyone.
Black people know white people better than themselves. Thats why we don't trust bernie.
White progressives can't even get their family to vote democrat, why should we trust them?It's hilarious that we've gone from 2019's "Only White people support Bernie" to "Bernie can't win cause White people would never support him."
Bernie dominates among independents including in actual elections by the way, so good try there.
Why Sanders Does Better With Independents
During the 2004 presidential primaries, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean made headlines by asserting that he represented the “Democratic wing of the Democratic P…
Those independents that didn't vote for him in the primary, sat home, or voted Trump?
So?
Bernie Sanders draws enthusiastic cheers in surprising Fox News town hall
The setup looked potentially hostile but became a free, hourlong commercial for the Sanders candidacy, broadcast to Fox viewers
Bernie Sanders Just Gave His Best Campaign Speech Yet—On Fox News
Sanders took on his so-called radical reputation with precision and humor.www.vogue.com
shyt like this is why he lost the primary.
Appealing to white class reductionist bullshyt didn't work.
Did you ignore the article? Bernie had a dominant lead among independents in the primaries that allowed independents to vote. He was winning by 50 percentage points or more. You're really, really bad at dealing with objective reality.
Unfortunately, many states don't allow independents to take part in primaries, and in some of the states that do, his huge lead among independents got cancelled out because he lost among dyed-in-the-wool democrats.....who 100% were going to vote for him over Trump in the general.
Notice how when it comes to objective facts, you've lost every argument in this discussion.
So Bernie could actually campaign and it would actually help him, unlike Biden hiding in a basement for the entire general election.
So Bernie would actually build on his already dominate poll leads, instead of pissing them away like Biden did?
why did he lose the primaries, son?
he lost the popular vote in the primaries. why did that happen?
Bernie would have lost the general election against Trump in 2020.
You know how I know this?
The anti-trump republicans and independents who lean to the right would rather vote for a moderate like Biden over trump.
You know how I know this?
They did this.
Does anyone what Biden has implemented to stop the rent increases? Bro this is ridiculous. I got this last year in the city, but I already checked and there’s nothing cheaper an hour and an half away outside of the trailer parks!!
Again, it's a conspiracy when Bernie loses. No accountability. No lessons learned. No reflections or room for improvement.So Bernie could actually campaign and it would actually help him, unlike Biden hiding in a basement for the entire general election.
So Bernie would actually build on his already dominate poll leads, instead of pissing them away like Biden did?
Because the establishment Voltroned against him and the party mouthpieces and media incessantly pushed the claim that he couldn't win, even though all objective evidence showed that was untrue.
When asked who they liked more, when asked whose policies they liked more, when asked who they trusted more, primary voters said Bernie. Over and over again, the voters themselves said in the exit polls that the MAIN reason they picked Biden was because they "thought he could win".....but the same voters saying that certainly would have taken Biden over Trump in the general, so why is their opinion on the issue more relevant than the opinion of actual independents and general election voters?
No they didn't, Biden barely fukking won despite dems have a turnout advantage.
Bernie would have done better with Independents because he DEMONSTRABLY did better with independents in every fukking election and in every fukking poll. The objective evidence is right there, I already posted it. Plus he would have turned out more non-voters because he was far more popular among young people and non-affiliated voters. Biden won the primary solely due to dyed-in-the-wool Democrats, who would still have turned out for the general and still would have picked Bernie over Trump.
You are getting killed here.
Where did I lie? 59-60 senators is a MASSIVE advantage. Many presidents have transformed the nation with far less.
Your insistence on deflection is amazing. You lied about me claiming a supermajority, then baselessly called me a liar when I point out that I never said anything about a supermajority but gave the exact, correct majority number every time.
Three straight times I've asked the question, and three straight times you've deflected from it. Are you going to answer it or not? Would the permanent continuation of Obama's 1st-term policies (not just legislation but executive policy too) had led to a long-term stabilization of the environment and economy, or not? Would those policies have eventually halted environmental destruction and climate change, ended the reliance on constant-growth economy, and closed the wealth gap, or would all four issues have continued to get worse under such policies?
More conspiracy.
one second he's a sleeper powerful candidate
the next, he can't handle actual democrats not supporting him
So? Voting based on values is rarely what people do when they value electability more.
I literally have no idea what you're arguing here
No they didn't, Biden barely fukking won despite dems have a turnout advantage.
Biden beat an incumbent president. No small feat.
How Huge Voter Turnout Eluded Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday (Published 2020)
“Have we been as successful as I would hope in bringing young people in?” he said a day after Joe Biden beat him in several key states. “The answer is no.”
Sanders banked on young voters. Here’s how the numbers have played out
The independent Vermont senator’s progressive platform did appeal to a majority of young voters in many of Tuesday’s primary races. But they did not turn out in as high numbers as older voters did.
www.pbs.org
Opinion | Bernie Sanders and the Case of the Missing Youth Vote (Published 2020)
Apathy is not the problem.
Bernie Sanders' Call For Young Voters Isn't Working Out The Way He Planned
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders acknowledged this week that the young voters he's been counting on to boost his candidacy have not shown up at the polls in the strong numbers he had been hoping for.
www.npr.org
Did you just say Biden won because of democrats?
Holy shyt.
Thats...golden
Obama was supposed to change the world in 2 years while he lost the house and senate in 2010 for a 60 day supermajority during unprecedented times?
This is a stupid question.
Anything obama did was objectively good.
The house on fire analogy never holds up if neither you nor the Arsonists value the house. You just disagree on how they’re tearing it down.
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You’re arguing with a guy who has 5 worst poster of the year awards to my knowledge. He’s in all likelihood a paid dnc shill given that his arguments are identical to said shills on Twitter. He’s been arguing in bad faith about sanders since 2016 at the very least. Best thing to do with napoleon is to block and move on.
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... I'm afraid to ask who you think who was voting for him, if not democrats. Please don't say "anti-Trump republicans."Did you just say Biden won because of democrats?
Holy shyt.
Thats...golden
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