The Little Known Biblical Curse of Egypt by Isaiah

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I agree with what you’re saying. That has nothing to do with historically Jesus not existing

Do you ever wonder why so many religions are based off what/who people think Jesus was and what he said/did

Why is he such a polarizing figure in religion if he never existed? How does he have a greater impact on the world than any man who lived if he never lived.

This is just common sense.

And if he never existed, who do you attribute the words, stories and teachings written in the Bible to?

The easiest thing to do is say a man never existed than to at least attempt explain/make sense of him and fit him into your own beliefs

Takes zero effort. I can understand if you just don’t believe in him fully like Jews/Muslims but you can’t deny a historical figure even existed without coming off as biased cause I know you’re smarter than that

You should do your research on Jesus first before worrying about who the lost tribes of Israel are and where the “promised land” is.

I understand what you’re getting at though. But if Columbus really thought native Americans were Hebrews he probably wouldn’t of killed them off and took the land.....
or maybe that was the point all along

If you want to run with Jesus existing, then use a source outside of the bible. Because the OT proves him to be false. And then dum diversas is kinda the nail in that coffin, at least if you're black


And to answer your maybe, yes that WAS and IS the point of Colombus coming here. Deuteronomy 28 says Israel would be conquered by an unknown nation from afar and that represents the Europeans. Its all prophecy and it all happened in the Americas. And it SHOULD give you new meaning to what they were thinking when Hoover said with COINTELPRO that he was trying to stop the "rise of the black MESSIAH" during the civil rights area..

 

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If you want to run with Jesus existing, then use a source outside of the bible. Because the OT proves him to be false. And then dum diversas is kinda the nail in that coffin, at least if you're black


And to answer your maybe, yes that WAS and IS the point of Colombus coming here. Deuteronomy 28 says Israel would be conquered by an unknown nation from afar and that represents the Europeans. Its all prophecy and it all happened in the Americas. And it SHOULD give you new meaning to what they were thinking when Hoover said with COINTELPRO that he was trying to stop the "rise of the black MESSIAH" during the civil rights area..

How does the OT prove him to be false?

There were Black Christians and Jews before Dum Diversas

 

[Everythingg]

How does the OT prove him to be false?

I'll give one example.

Matthew 1
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”g]">[g] (which means “God with us”).

This verse says that the birth of Jesus was a fulfillment of a prophecy said to Isaiah. But when you go to the verse:

Isaiah 7

Spoiler

10 Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, 11 “Ask the Lord your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights.”

12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask; I will not put the Lord to the test.”

13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give youc]">[c] a sign: The virgind]">[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, ande]">[e] will call him Immanuel.f]">[f] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,

16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.”

The prophecy doesnt say its a prophecy of some future messianic prophet, but a simple birth of a child as a sign to who Isaiah was talking to at that point of time(Ahaz) that God would be with him/them in regards to an upcoming war.

The new testament takes that verse and tries to use it to validate Jesus with no regard to the context of the verse whatsoever. It does that because its a false book written by Gentiles

There were Black Christians and Jews before Dum Diversas

Well yea they were/are called "Moors"

At that time, practicing Jews who wouldnt convert were kicked out(Alhambra Decree)of Spain. And that happened the same year Colombus set sail for America. If you still cant see theres a connection to be made there then maybe its just not for you...

 

[Everythingg]

only if the hebrew and egyptian artifacts were actually made after the flood

Since "Hebrew" and "Egyptian" didnt exist until AFTER the flood, then I think its safe to say their artifacts were made AFTER the flood... Right?

 

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I'll give one example.

Matthew 1
22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”g]">[g] (which means “God with us”).

This verse says that the birth of Jesus was a fulfillment of a prophecy said to Isaiah. But when you go to the verse:

Isaiah 7

Spoiler

10 Again the Lord spoke to Ahaz, 11 “Ask the Lord your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights.”

12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask; I will not put the Lord to the test.”

13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give youc]">[c] a sign: The virgind]">[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, ande]">[e] will call him Immanuel.f]">[f] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,

16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. 17 The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah—he will bring the king of Assyria.”

The prophecy doesnt say its a prophecy of some future messianic prophet, but a simple birth of a child as a sign to who Isaiah was talking to at that point of time(Ahaz) that God would be with him/them in regards to an upcoming war.

The new testament takes that verse and tries to use it to validate Jesus with no regard to the context of the verse whatsoever. It does that because its a false book written by Gentiles



Well yea they were/are called "Moors"

At that time, practicing Jews who wouldnt convert were kicked out(Alhambra Decree)of Spain. And that happened the same year Colombus set sail for America. If you still cant see theres a connection to be made there then maybe its just not for you...

The oldest Christian church is in Ethiopia. There’s proof of that. Judaism and Christianity was there well before the Moors or Islam even existed.

Without even reading or believing in the Bible, Common sense would tell me both these religions originated in that area and had to have spread through the region in the hundreds of years before Islam came and eventually took over North Africa.

As far as bible prophecy, It’s open to interpretation. You don’t have to believe it if you don’t want to.

What you understand and get out of reading OT scripture is different than the next man. I think that’s the whole point of a prophecy. In the same way Muslims can use the OT as prophecies for Muhammad

But You can’t just pick one random scripture not knowing the entire story of the Bible in context and understand the meaning of individual scripture and still expect to put the pieces together. It won’t make sense to you. Or believe anything someone tells you an Internet forum

Can you give a better example

 

[Everythingg]

The oldest Christian church is in Ethiopia. There’s proof of that. Judaism and Christianity was there well before the Moors or Islam even existed.

Without even reading or believing in the Bible, Common sense would tell me both these religions originated in that area and had to have spread through the region in the hundreds of years before Islam came and eventually took over North Africa.

As far as bible prophecy, It’s open to interpretation. You don’t have to believe it if you don’t want to.

What you understand and get out of reading OT scripture is different than the next man. I think that’s the whole point of a prophecy. In the same way Muslims can use the OT as prophecies for Muhammad

But You can’t just pick one random scripture not knowing the entire story of the Bible in context and understand the meaning of individual scripture and still expect to put the pieces together. It won’t make sense to you. Or believe anything someone tells you an Internet forum

Can you give a better example

How can you ask for a better example when you didnt even address the first one I brought?

I said Isaiah 7's context shows that the birth that the NT takes and claims is about Jesus, was really a sign for King Ahaz AT THAT TIME that God would be with them. King Ahaz/Isaiah who were alive 100s to 1000s of years before Jesus supposedly was.

Where did I go wrong with the context? What did I leave out? What did I miss? Got none of that outta your post. Just some spiritual remix to "opinions are like a$$holes" lol.. If you're gonna step to the table, then bring something so I can eat. You're not informing me of anything just seemingly creating reasons as to why Im wrong(as we go)


So I'll go back again to Dum diversas

Spoiler

We(Catholic/Christian church) grant you by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude.

So when you see HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR Charles V at the end of this INCAN kings list poster(and he should be white btw according to what we were taught)

with a bible in his hand with a cross on it, you should get the idea. And if you dont, when I point out the New testament using Isaiah 7 incorrectly to validate its god, Jesus, then that should help you get the idea. The fact that it doesnt, most likely means that this information isnt for you. No it doesnt mean that this information is false. It just probably means that its not for you...

 

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How can you ask for a better example when you didnt even address the first one I brought?

I said Isaiah 7's context shows that the birth that the NT takes and claims is about Jesus, was really a sign for King Ahaz AT THAT TIME that God would be with them. King Ahaz/Isaiah who were alive 100s to 1000s of years before Jesus supposedly was.

Where did I go wrong with the context? What did I leave out? What did I miss? Got none of that outta your post. Just some spiritual remix to "opinions are like a$$holes" lol.. If you're gonna step to the table, then bring something so I can eat. You're not informing me of anything just seemingly creating reasons as to why Im wrong(as we go)


So I'll go back again to Dum diversas

Spoiler

We(Catholic/Christian church) grant you by these present documents, with our Apostolic Authority, full and free permission to invade, search out, capture, and subjugate the Saracens and pagans and any other unbelievers and enemies of Christ wherever they may be, as well as their kingdoms, duchies, counties, principalities, and other property [...] and to reduce their persons into perpetual servitude.

So when you see HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR Charles V at the end of this INCAN kings list poster(and he should be white btw according to what we were taught)

with a bible in his hand with a cross on it, you should get the idea. And if you dont, when I point out the New testament using Isaiah 7 incorrectly to validate its god, Jesus, then that should help you get the idea. The fact that it doesnt, most likely means that this information isnt for you. No it doesnt mean that this information is false. It just probably means that its not for you...

I’m no bible scholar so I won’t instruct you on scripture, I can only see it how I personally understand it. It makes sense to me.

But let me ask you, who do you think the child born is that the scripture speaks of?

Your interpretation is just as good as the next man most likely

My point is prophecy requires some element of belief and understanding beyond just the one scripture or even the story of a chapter or book. It’s not something that’s supposed to be proven without a doubt. But it makes you think.....

About the Dum Diversas, I’m not Roman Catholic. And they have enough scandals in their churches I wouldn’t expect anyone to view that organization or their leaders as good examples of Jesus followers

But I ain’t judging them or today’s Catholics. I worry about myself

 

[Everythingg]

I’m no bible scholar so I won’t instruct you on scripture, I can only see it how I personally understand it. It makes sense to me.

Bible thumping time

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts.

Its not about what "makes sense" but whats true or what you can prove/support with evidence..

But let me ask you, who do you think the child born is that the scripture speaks of?

Your interpretation is just as good as the next man most likely

Who cares? Whatever child it was, had to be born during the time of Isaiah/King Ahaz and NOT the time Jesus was supposedly born. Thats what the context of the chapter says and THAT interpretation is the ONLY one to have..

My point is prophecy requires some element of belief and understanding beyond just the one scripture or even the story of a chapter or book. It’s not something that’s supposed to be proven without a doubt. But it makes you think.....

You're speaking about a book you're not well versed in. The prophecy in Isaiah 7 doesnt need to be looked at beyond the chapter or book because it SPECIFICALLY says that the prophecy is a SIGN to ONE KING (King Ahaz) that God would be with HIM for an upcoming war. You wont even address what it says and how it could possibly apply to Jesus..

About the Dum Diversas, I’m not Roman Catholic. And they have enough scandals in their churches I wouldn’t expect anyone to view that organization or their leaders as good examples of Jesus followers

But I ain’t judging them or today’s Catholics. I worry about myself

Yea bruh you can play two step around what I say, but you really cant play two step around dum diversas. Assuming you're black that is


Its literally the basis for everything done to the black man on this side of the earth. And as you can see from that Incan kings list, that started with black people. It was black people who exiled other black Jews from their land in Spain for not practicing Christianity and who brought Colombus and later cacs to America.

And all this was biblical prophecy of a curse God would bring on the Israelites for not following His commandments. So it doesnt matter if you want to play the "ignorance is bliss" role, if you look up the stuff Im saying, you'll see for yourself and more... But then again, its probably not for you

 

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Bible thumping time

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts.

Its not about what "makes sense" but whats true or what you can prove/support with evidence..



Who cares? Whatever child it was, had to be born during the time of Isaiah/King Ahaz and NOT the time Jesus was supposedly born. Thats what the context of the chapter says and THAT interpretation is the ONLY one to have..



You're speaking about a book you're not well versed in. The prophecy in Isaiah 7 doesnt need to be looked at beyond the chapter or book because it SPECIFICALLY says that the prophecy is a SIGN to ONE KING (King Ahaz) that God would be with HIM for an upcoming war. You wont even address what it says and how it could possibly apply to Jesus..



Yea bruh you can play two step around what I say, but you really cant play two step around dum diversas. Assuming you're black that is


Its literally the basis for everything done to the black man on this side of the earth. And as you can see from that Incan kings list, that started with black people. It was black people who exiled other black Jews from their land in Spain for not practicing Christianity and who brought Colombus and later cacs to America.

And all this was biblical prophecy of a curse God would bring on the Israelites for not following His commandments. So it doesnt matter if you want to play the "ignorance is bliss" role, if you look up the stuff Im saying, you'll see for yourself and more... But then again, its probably not for you

If you wanna bible thump, proverbs does say

“lean not on your own understanding....”

Maybe you’re over thinking it and nots seeing the bigger picture

For someone who has studied the Bible so extensively, it’s strange you don’t believe Jesus exists.

Something ain’t adding up

I’m more interested in knowing your point of view than debating.

Also being black shouldn’t influence your views on Christianity. Unless you’re a Hebrew Israelite or NOI

 

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Since "Hebrew" and "Egyptian" didnt exist until AFTER the flood, then I think its safe to say their artifacts were made AFTER the flood... Right?

there is hieroglyphs then there is coptic

 

[Everythingg]

If you wanna bible thump, proverbs does say

“lean not on your own understanding....”

Maybe you’re over thinking it and nots seeing the bigger picture

For someone who has studied the Bible so extensively, it’s strange you don’t believe Jesus exists.

Something ain’t adding up

I’m more interested in knowing your point of view than debating.

Also being black shouldn’t influence your views on Christianity. Unless you’re a Hebrew Israelite or NOI

Well if its about "knowing my point of view" then I think you should get it by now?

My point of view is essentially there were black Europeans who worked with/were used by cacs to oppress other black people. With wiggle room on both sides. And I gave an example of this using the Incan kings list which can be found in Peru showing a black European holding a bible who took over as their king. And the kings list shows that they eventually became white. And these people worked together to find the promised land HERE in the Americas. With biblical Egypt also being in the Americas (imo the Grand Canyon)...

So to tie back into the thread, its 100% true if one actually follows the links. Its just that people created a narrative that the events of the bible happened in the middle east and not in the Americas. Thats the only thing I disagree with really

there is hieroglyphs then there is coptic

Ya lost me bruh

 

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Ya lost me bruh

egypt had "sacred" and "vulgar" writing similar to how chinese kick it

this actually took time for people to understand hieroglyphs properly

 

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egypt had "sacred" and "vulgar" writing similar to how chinese kick it

this actually took time for people to understand hieroglyphs properly

What’s the origin of ancient Egyptians language?

 

[MMS]

What’s the origin of ancient Egyptians language?

they never say that Noah couldnt still speak and write the tongue from before the flood

I was reading this the other day
This Biblical Text May Prove Khufu Didn't Build the Great Pyramid | Gaia

There were 1-2 global civilizations pre-flood IMO...there is also evidence of a massive pyramid in Bosnia too
Bosnian pyramid claims - Wikipedia

Long story short...I think all the mythologies and biblical stories tie into an ancient conflict before the flood and may just be retellings from respective sides. Vedas are the only books to really document it fully

 

[Ducktales]

Not discussing or arguing in this thread. Not the point of me posting this. Neither want to derail Because this is a thread for you all to discuss your topic. I respect everyone’s beliefs. I used to be a Hebrew Israelite and grew up Christian until traveling to Africa including Egypt and reading much black literature and seeing historical artifacts first hand.. Respectfully seeing myself out. But for those in seek of the truth feel free to watch. These points are backed by literature, cave drawing and sculptures, and actual literary and physical acts that are scientifically proven as they remain available to the eye today if you go back to your homeland. But this guy can breaks it down simpler for those in seek of truth. Y’all take care. Never take someone’s word for something. Do the research yourself to follow up on what he said. Again this is just someone explaining what is already common knowledge by historians.

Again will not respondBig and leaving out of respect for thread and not trying to derail. Not posting out of Ego, but out of educating my brothers and sisters because I love you