The Levant an Extension of Africa? Let's take a look shall we?

[Bawon Samedi]

You pretty much hit it right on the nail. Yemen plays a huge role in the history of the Lembas. According to their oral tradition, their ancestors crossed over from Yemen and migrated south.

Not trying to get off topic, but this is why some people question the Bantu migration. Bantu groups like the Lemba from East and South Africa all say they have different origins and not from Cameroon. A lot of Bantu's from East and South Africa all have oral traditions saying they came from North Africa. A good Youtuber even told me that the Zulu have oral traditions saying they came from Egypt. Now I do not dismiss the Bantu migration, but this is something that academia should take a look at.

Heck IIRC a lot of West Africans claim they come somewhere from Arabia. But here's where things get REALLY interesting(thanks goes to Egyptsearch):

On the basis of a sample of 117 chromosomes, we have demonstrated the multicentric origin of the sickle mutation in Northern Oman. Three major haplotypes coexist: 52.1% Benin (typical and atypicals), 26.7% Arab-India, and 21.4% Bantu. These haplotypes are not autochthonous to Oman but originated elsewhere and arrived in Oman by gene flow. The distribution of haplotypes is in excellent agreement with the historical record, which establishes clear ancient contacts between Oman and sub-Sahara west Africa and explains the presence of the Benin haplotype;contacts with Iraq, Iran, present-day Pakistan, and India explain the presence of the Arab-India haplotype. More recent contacts with East Africa (Zanzibar/Mombasa) explain the presence of the Bantu haplotype. The pattern of the Arab-India haplotype in the populations of the Arabian peninsula reinforces the hypothesis that this particular mutation originated in the Harappa culture or in a nearby population and in addition reveals that the Sassanian Empire might have been the vehicle by which this Indo-European sickle mutation migrated (gene flow) to the present-day Arabian peninsula, including Oman.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10815786

Note they can't say its due to slavery, because it would have been BANTU haplotype and not West African BENIN Haplotype; since Bantu's were the Africans that were being sold in the Arab slave trade and not West Africans. Now where does the Benin haplotype come from?

^^^You can even see it traveling to the Nile Valley. And we have proof that a certain popular pharaoh died from it.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19094-tutankhamen-killed-by-sicklecell-disease.html

Btw, are you at all familiar with the Tarikh al fattash? It actually talks about a man from Yemen (who many believe was a Jew) who went out to West Africa and helped form a community out there. Very interesting stuff indeed.

No, not familiar with it but it seems really interesting.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Breh, @Marvel is a troll, and not a clever or creative one at that.

I find it amazing how I literally quoted from the books he recommended to you, which refute his claim, only to see him turn around and reject the information. Dude is incredibly double-minded.

Then again, I don't expect someone who was a Pan-Africanist in Feburary and a Hebrew Israelite by May to be consistent in any of the thing he says.

Don't know much about his history which is why I'm staying neutral.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

love being a part of this site

I'm a humble student and you dudes teach me a lot and give me a ton to go look up.

I was arguing with a hebrew downtown Chicago this morning around state and washington. He wasnt one of those ninja turtle it's morphing time dressed hebrews yelling at everybody. But he was one of those we not african hebrews

I hit him with some of the facts I learned here (and elsewhere of course) had dude stomped

Props coli brethren

 

[Bawon Samedi]

love being a part of this site

I'm a humble student and you dudes teach me a lot and give me a ton to go look up.

I was arguing with a hebrew downtown Chicago this morning around state and washington. He wasnt one of those ninja turtle it's morphing time dressed hebrews yelling at everybody. But he was one of those we not african hebrews

I hit him with some of the facts I learned here (and elsewhere of course) had dude stomped

Props coli brethren

Yooooooooooooooooo!!!!


This is why I love the information age.

We educate ourselves. We look for the knowledge ourselves.

 

[Sinnerman]

@Czar did t he kingdom of ghana have a hebrew dynasty at one point?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Czar did t he kingdom of ghana have a hebrew dynasty at one point?

Do you have sources?

 

[Sinnerman]

Do you have sources?

nothing credible. I've read that some algerian author(eldad the danite) clamied that ghana was a hebrew kingdom. dubious imo but I want to confirm

 

[Bawon Samedi]

nothing credible. I've read that some algerian author(eldad the danite) clamied that ghana was a hebrew kingdom. dubious imo but I want to confirm

I heard the claim that Ghana was a Hebrew kingdom too but I not put faith in that considering many Arabic text describing the Ghana king as being Pagan and the majority of its people.

 

[Czar]

@Czar did t he kingdom of ghana have a hebrew dynasty at one point?

I've heard that one too. I do know the Tarihk al fattash talks about communities in Songhay and mentions 7 leaders. I have a couple links bookmarked on my Laptop (which I don't have with me currently) which mention a Jewish queen of berber descent who set up trading partnerships with Ghana, among other things.

Matter fact, I'ma just post these videos from a Senegali Jew with a very unbiased and accurate view of Hebrew history (with reputable sources).







He even refutes the nonsense Hebrew-Israelites kick.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@Czar

Do you have anything on the Phoenicians?

 

[Sinnerman]

I've heard that one too. I do know the Tarihk al fattash talks about communities in Songhay and mentions 7 leaders. I have a couple links bookmarked on my Laptop (which I don't have with me currently) which mention a Jewish queen of berber descent who set up trading partnerships with Ghana, among other things.

Matter fact, I'ma just post these videos from a Senegali Jew with a very unbiased and accurate view of Hebrew history (with reputable sources).







He even refutes the nonsense Hebrew-Israelites kick.

preciate this drop bruv

on a different note but I can't wait until we become world players again

 

[Czar]

@Czar

Do you have anything on the Phoenicians?

I actually have some PDFs on my laptop which deal with the Phoenicians in depth. Alotta people don't know the Greeks adopted their alphabet from them.

I'ma try and drop those off in the next couple so my coli brehs can

Don't forget to remind me @KidStranglehold

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I actually have some PDFs on my laptop which deal with the Phoenicians in depth. Alotta people don't know the Greeks adopted their alphabet from them.

I actually know that. Which is why I think I said Eurocentrics can not allow the Phoenicians to be black. But here's the kicker that most people don't know about. The alphabet the Phoenicians used came from a certain Egyptian script. So technically we're typing in symbols that have an ancient African ancestry!

I'ma try and drop those off in the next couple so my coli brehs can

Please do.

Don't forget to remind me @KidStranglehold

Trust me I will!!! But please drop something on the description of the Phoenicians. Again the only thing I know is that they were counted under the "black Syrians".

Finding stuff on the Phoenician and Canaanites in general is very hard. It seems non-western sites seem to have the most valuable things on them.

 

[Knicksman20]

You raised many interesting points. I'ma add my two pennies.

First I gotta point out Songs 1:6 says the following "Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept."

It should also be noted that Tacitus was quoting other's thoughts of the origin of the Jews. I'm sure there were subjective opinions across the board.

I've seen this passage translated "swarthy" instead of black which means the same thing. Interesting topic

 

[JahFocus CS]

This is a great thread but I just wanted to make one observation too, I don't think we should be so caught up in trying to prove the African identity of ancient Hebrews and the like. I feel that while interesting, important to explore, and (at least partly) true, it is more in the interest of diasporic Africans to learn more about traditional West African culture and spirituality. Pan-Africanism is cool but if you're descended from West Africans, you have at best a tangential and distant relationship to Northeast Africa/the Levant, and there's really no reason to identify so much with that region given the rich culture of West Africa.

I just think our overemphasis on Abrahamic stuff is a carryover from the imposition of Western ideas and forced conversion.