The "let's not take this shyt so seriously" AEW news & fukkery thread

[mannyrs13]

I disagree with you

But I’m not going to try to insult your intelligence or anything

No issue with a disagreement. Maybe i wasn't as entertained as others. Not like aew women are way better. Both are good in their own regards. Nxt does feature their women more which is good. I missed the last two weeks cuz they fell on holidays so gotta get caught up on Tuesday. I think what helps the nxt women be a bigger focus on the show is how it's so much better than their men's division. Compared to aew where men division is better.

 

[MenacingMonk]

By putting Okada and Ospreay on the card?

Okada has said he’s done with NJ. The chapter is closed.

Ospreay hasn’t been gone from NJ for a year. Let the man rest for the new year after having an incredible 2024 in both promotions.

 

[OneDeep]

AEW attendance has fallen In The states and guys expect him to promote a show outside the country where he’s not fully responsible for organizing it.

He gotta get the fans here to care before the Japanese.

AEW was the biggest name on the card

They filled up Wembley didn’t

 

[Jmare007]

Smart enough to say no? If he said no you dudes would be going on about him being a tyrant and push the “AEW one sided deal” even more.

No, I would've said that was a smart idea. I didn't like Tokyo Dome double headers when they did it in 2020 even though Gedo actually did put some effort to make it as attractive as possible. You are making me out to be poster I'm not. I make fun of New Japan looking like the bullied little brother to AEW because New Japan's whole identity was based on them bullying other promotions (except WCW) and now they are treated like they are WAR or some shyt how the might have fallen.

Like I posted, the most ever non-Japanese fans flew in for the weekend. You wanna fill the Tokyo Dome as much as possible? How about attracting the home country fans.

This feels like you've never read my posts regarding the Japanese wrestling business. I'm the one that constantly being defensive and talking about how international business means jackshyt to puro, and that promotions have to focus on homegrown talent and what local fans might want.

But with the state of puro right now, if anyone wanted to attract Japenese fans, AEW was the promotion that had the most people that could have a shot at drawing (Okada, Omega and maaaaybe Ospreay, White and Mox). There's no one else in Japan that can gather a Dome-style crowd right now. There's no one in NOAH, All Japan or DDT that could cross over and draw. Last year's show with NOAH and the half assed feud they had showed that. The only prayer the show had was hoping Okada and Kenny could mean something, which wasn't a guarantee either. Which is why booking the event was a dumb idea in the first place. As it was said as soon as the show was announced months ago...

Hard for Gedo to attract fans now because he spent years undermining the young talent. Now he wants people to come out for Shota and Tsuji but it's too late, they gonna have to grind from the bottom and build the foundation like Tanahashi had to all those years ago.

Why Gedo still has the book is beyond me. They need anyone that can start throwing shyt at the wall and see what sticks. That's what Gedo and Jado did in 2006 and 2007 and it worked.

 

[MenacingMonk]

No, I would've said that was a smart idea. I didn't like Tokyo Dome double headers when they did it in 2020 even though Gedo actually did put some effort to make it as attractive as possible. You are making me out to be poster I'm not. I make fun of New Japan looking like the bullied little brother to AEW because New Japan's whole identity was based on them bullying other promotions (except WCW) and now they are treated like they are WAR or some shyt how the might have fallen.


This feels like you've never read my posts regarding the Japanese wrestling business. And if they wanted to attract Japenese fans, AEW was the promotion that had the most people that could have a shot at drawing (Okada, Omega and maaaaybe Ospreay, White and Mox). There's no one else in Japan that can gather a Dome-style crowd right now. There's no one in NOAH, All Japan or DDT that could cross over and draw. Last year's show with NOAH and the half assed feud they had showed that. The only prayer the show had was hoping Okada and Kenny could mean something, which wasn't a guarantee either. Which is way booking the event was a dumb idea in the first place. As it was said as soon as the show was announced months ago...

Why Gedo still has the book is beyond me. They need anyone that can start throwing shyt at the wall and see what sticks. That's what Gedo and Jado did in 2006 and 2007 and it worked.

Lets play fantasy booking: who on the NJ roster is big enough to compete against Jay, Okada, Os and Mox in other matches?

They sent Kenny Omega, the man who changed pro wrestling and made NJ a name in States, the man who is returning to the ring after a potential career ending health scare, to face off against NJ’s future and Kenny made that man a big deal. Could Okada have done that? Jay? Mox? I highly doubt it.

Even if you substitute the wrestlers AEW sent with either of those guys, do you actually think TK would be fine with Os losing to Yota? Would they have their AEW champion lose to Shota?

There’s a reason the big names outside Omega weren’t sent because they would have to win. And then yall would complain about “AEW WINS LOLZ.”

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Not for nothing but Kenny did his job. He went out there and put on a fukkin classic with that dude. Now it's up to New Japan to push the guy who pushed Kenny to his limits... etc..

 

[MenacingMonk]

Also, Jay White is kayfabed banned from NJ, but fukk kayfabe, right? Let’s complain about kayfabe being dead but forget about it just to book a talent on a show.

 

[Jmare007]

Lets play fantasy booking: who on the NJ roster is big enough to compete against Jay, Okada, Os and Mox in other matches?

They sent Kenny Omega, the man who changed pro wrestling and made NJ a name in States, the man who is returning to the ring after a potential career ending health scare, to face off against NJ’s future and Kenny made that man a big deal. Could Okada have done that? Jay? Mox? I highly doubt it.

Even if you substitute the wrestlers AEW sent with either of those guys, do you actually think TK would be fine with Os losing to Yota? Would they have their AEW champion lose to Shota?

There’s a reason the big names outside Omega weren’t sent because they would have to win. And then yall would complain about “AEW WINS LOLZ.”

I mean, the fantasy booking is what we've all been saying. DON'T BOOK THE SHOW.

if we go full fantasy booking we gonna clash with Gedo's stupidity. But I have no doubt in my mind that Okada vs Tsuji as a main event gets more than 16k paid. But again, if Okada is not option because he doesn't want to go back so early, then don't book the show.

Not for nothing but Kenny did his job. He went out there and put on a fukkin classic with that dude. Now it's up to New Japan to push the guy who pushed Kenny to his limits... etc..

It goes back to New Japan's biggest problem. The fact they chose Kidd to have that match, that story and that role instead of a Tsuji or Uemura (or even Shota or Narita, they are not popular right now but Kidd was a full heel before this angle with Kenny) tells you how ass backwards is their logic.

They are still chasing the top gaijin formula without taking into account that for that top gaijin to actually work, it needs a top home grown wrestler. In 2006 Gedo had to choose Giant Bernard of all people because he had no one else, and it actually worked....because he finally pulled the trigger on Tanahashi and let him ran with the ball. And Tana was able to take off because he got the Nagata feud, the Mutoh W and the Nakamura rivalry. All Japanese talent that established the roster before guys like Karl Anderson, AJ, Kenny and later White and Ospreay could eat as the top gaijin.

Hell, the fact Anderson was actually a useful foreigner shows how important focusing on the local talent is.

 

[avon barksdale]

its not even an AEW vs WWE to me its reality with what you see with your eyes. We had people on this same forum telling us Montez is ready but they have yet to give those guys opportunities.

Hold up now...Melo was the next big thing and now he is getting buried,just wait on Trick and the other big guy in the high school gym

 

[MenacingMonk]

I mean, the fantasy booking is what we've all been saying. DON'T BOOK THE SHOW.

if we go full fantasy booking we gonna clash with Gedo's stupidity. But I have no doubt in my mind that Okada vs Tsuji as a main event gets more than 16k paid. But again, if Okada is not option because he doesn't want to go back so early, then don't book the show.

It goes back to New Japan's biggest problem. The fact they chose Kidd to have that match, that story and that role instead of a Tsuji or Uemura (or even Shota or Narita, they are not popular right now but Kidd was a full heel before this angle with Kenny) tells you how ass backwards is their logic.

They are still chasing the top gaijin formula without taking into account that for that top gaijin to actually work, it needs a top home grown wrestler. In 2006 Gedo had to choose Giant Bernard of all people because he had no one else, and it actually worked....because he finally pulled the trigger on Tanahashi and let him ran with the ball. And Tana was able to take off because he got the Nagata feud, the Mutoh W and the Nakamura rivalry. All Japanese talent that established the roster before guys like Karl Anderson, AJ, Kenny and later White and Ospreay could eat as the top gaijin.

Hell, the fact Anderson was actually a useful foreigner shows how important focusing on the local talent is.

the event happened. It doesn’t matter if you think it was good or bad idea because it happened. This is what they planned and guess what? Plenty of fans are praising night 2 more than night 1. 4500 fans flew in for the shows, most ever. But ticket sales for a second day show that has been proven to do worse in the past, right? Not booking the big talent AEW has, huh? That’s the focus because the IWC just loves to look at the negative more than the positive.

Regarding Yota/Okada. Okada ain’t gonna lose to Yota and Yota ain’t gonna lose the first day of his Global title reign.

I watched both shows, with pretty much just @DaylitoJames and I being the only live posters, and enjoyed them. I was entertained and that’s all that matters.

 

[Jmare007]

the event happened. It doesn’t matter if you think it was good or bad idea because it happened. This is what they planned and guess what? Plenty of fans are praising night 2 more than night 1. 4500 fans flew in for the shows, most ever. But ticket sales for a second day show that has been proven to do worse in the past, right? Not booking the big talent AEW has, huh? That’s the focus because the IWC just loves to look at the negative more than the positive.

Regarding Yota/Okada. Okada ain’t gonna lose to Yota and Yota ain’t gonna lose the first day of his Global title reign.

I watched both shows, with pretty much just @DaylitoJames and I being the only live posters, and enjoyed them. I was entertained and that’s all that matters.

I always post about attendance and business. If it doesn't matter to you and you want to talk about the quality of shows then I don't understand why you wanna have a convo with me about shyt I always post about

 

[OneDeep]

Then don’t get upset when people say it could’ve been better/ promoted better

 

[MenacingMonk]

I always post about attendance and business. If it doesn't matter to you and you want to talk about the quality of shows then I don't understand why you wanna have a convo with me about shyt I always post about

We’ve been going on about the business side prior to that, so I don’t know why you wanna start a new argument.

You ignored the fantasy booking question regrading top AEW talent, which is a key argument for what some of you are bringing up. Keep saying “I blame NJ in the puro threads” when you didn’t call them out over the lack of sales for their co-promotion event they hosted in their territory. Went straight to TK because everything is his fault, huh?

Like I said in the original post where I quoted you, yeah, he coulda did a little more, but this wasn’t his territory to market in. The Forbidden Door is his co-promoted event and he promotes it, as much as he can anyway.

 

[Silkk]

Okada has said he’s done with NJ. The chapter is closed.

Ospreay hasn’t been gone from NJ for a year. Let the man rest for the new year after having an incredible 2024 in both promotions.

Tony Khan pays Okada millions. He works for him. He doesn’t call the shots.

And the man can rest after the huge dome show that he was needed for…

 

[Jmare007]

We’ve been going on about the business side prior to that, so I don’t know why you wanna start a new argument.

You ignored the fantasy booking question regrading top AEW talent, which is a key argument for what some of you are bringing up. Keep saying “I blame NJ in the puro threads” when you didn’t call them out over the lack of sales for their co-promotion event they hosted in their territory. Went straight to TK because everything is his fault, huh?

Like I said in the original post where I quoted you, yeah, he coulda did a little more, but this wasn’t his territory to market in. The Forbidden Door is his co-promoted event and he promotes it, as much as he can anyway.

What more is there to criticize New Japan about when it comes to WD besides them being too stupid to realize they've tanked their homegrown talent and focused on international business more than local business? I've been complaining about that for years.

The original post you quoted was also about the Australian show. Me hoping TK puts an effort so he doesn't have another international show that bombed. Though changing the venue from a 50k stadium to a 13k arena is already miles better than giving the ok to a 2nd Tokyo Dome show with a struggling promotion.

You want me to fantasy book a card with a handicap I've complained about for months that didn't need to be there (AEW talent that could maybe draw not being in the card). I'm fairly sure Omega vs Tsuji is a bigger match that against Kidd, I'm also positive Tsuji wins more in a defeat against Kenny than Kidd will, because New Japan needs Yota more than they need Gabe. You could have Takeshyta challenge the winner of the IWGP tatle match on 1/4 instead of Ricochet, someone that did not need to be at WD at all. You could book Naito & Takahashi vs Umino & Mox. But the problem remains about the show being fukked without Okada and other people, which was my complaint from day 1.

If you can't book them then don't book the show.

If you book the show anyways and put zero effort into it, I'ma call it out. Regardless if people liked the matches or not.