'The Last of Us' - Season 2 Thread (NO GAME SPOILERS!) | HBO | April 13th, 2025 (7 Episodes)

[Supa]

Hmm, yea they havent mentioned her size and strength in the show. It's almost like maybe they wont be focusing so hard on her strength/physique in the show?

The fact they didnt cast a muscle chick for the role shouldve told yall they were going different direction. Focusing more on the mental strength/hardness losing her father like that, instead of the outward strength hardness.

Inner strength > outer strength seems to be the path for show abby.

The problem is her crew acts like they're terrified of her. She barks orders at them or acts aggressively and they hesitate to say anything or stop her like they fear they're in danger. None of it adds up when they all tower over her.

I'm not someone who played the game although I know what that character looks like. Casting a petite actress just doesn't work when there's no explanation for why she's an intimidating presence. It doesn't matter if that's how the show chose to go about it when it's not believable. We haven't seen her in action save for her busting her ass in the snow and damn near getting bodied until Joel stopped in.

I enjoyed the two episodes and this isn't a deal breaker for me but I can't understand the casting choice. It seems like they wanted her stature to be closer to Bella's.

 

[kingofnyc]

I disagree but regardless of that, that's not bad writing no matter how much you try to rationalize it. Not liking an outcome is not bad writing in itself. Dina was freezing cold and getting worse, TV show Joel not dragging her to fight a horde of infected if he had an alternative makes sense. Specially because there was a storm Joel didn't even know he could survive in to make it to Jackson in the first place.

I need to watch it again, but I'm pretty sure they were very close to the cabin and Abby told him her group was armed and they can fight.

If thats the case it seems Joel was under the impression he was getting more manpower to defend Jackson

You're correct. That was exactly Joel's thought process.

That is what happened. Abby said they were a minute away from the cabin and they could help joel fight. Before this scene Joel specifically asked if they were armed in the mining compound.



Some nikkas are just arguing in bad faith to shyt on the show.

so why didn’t you include the entire/extended clip which showed the next scene of them being in the cabin , overlooking the shyt going down at Jackson from them ceiling to floor windows in the living room
which …. Joel and Abby don’t have on their coats … don’t have on their hats … don’t have on their gloves …. don’t have on their scarfs, etc. etc..

REALLY …. like what in the hell?
Joel sees the place and people who he loves the most being attacked and says fukk it. I’mma just hang out , chill and get comfortable in this log cabin with a bunch of fukking strangers. …. I’m sorry that is atrocious writing/storyline.







I honestly thought , after he saved Abby, he would drop her back to the cabin and headed to Jackson
There after Abby would have told her crew that she, ID Joel and the next several episodes were going to be on her and her crew coming up with a clever plan to set up and kill Joel

 

[Jmare007]

so why didn’t you include the entire/extended clip which showed the next scene of them being in the cabin , overlooking the shyt going down at Jackson from them ceiling to floor windows in the living room
which …. Joel and Abby don’t have on their coats … don’t have on their hats … don’t have on their gloves …. don’t have on their scarfs, etc. etc..

REALLY …. like what in the hell?
Joel sees the place and people who he loves the most being attacked and says fukk it. I’mma just hang out , chill and get comfortable in this log cabin with a bunch of fukking strangers. …. I’m sorry that is atrocious writing/storyline.







I honestly thought , after he saved Abby, he would drop her back to the cabin and headed to Jackson
There after Abby would have told her crew that she, ID Joel and the next several episodes were going to be on her and her crew coming up with a clever plan to set up and kill Joel

Nah, you can't be this obtuse

Joel gives his coat to Dina to make her warm, which is something that's there to show hard headed people like you that Dina's well being was Joel's first goal out of this thing.

He then goes directly to the window to see what's going on in Jackson and tells the group to strap up, get blankets and get ready to leave in 3 minutes. How in the name of fukk you took that and thought "Joel knows thinks he's gonna hang out , chill and get comfortable in this log cabin with a bunch of fukking strangers".

Abby has her hat on and a blanket and tells Joel her name, he then literally gives her the "" because he doesn't give a fukk, TURNS AROUND (so he doesn't see Abby anymore) and calls Jackson for a response on the walkie talkie.

THEN Abby tells the gang Joel's name and takes the blanket off and. Then Dina gets used as bargain chip and we get the ensuing scene....

How, how is that bad writing under any measure?

 

[kingofnyc]

This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about breh, you’re in here arguing just to argue on some troll shyt, I, and others, gave you very plausible reasons as to why they would not, or couldn’t do what you think they shoulda done, even quoting/posting actual scenes from the episode that directly contradict you, and your response is just to pretend like it’s us making excuses

@Jmare007 said it best just above, and it was the exact same shyt people kept tryna drum into you in the other thread..

You not liking it, or the outcome, doesn’t mean it’s badly written, it just means you don’t like it..that’s absolutely fine, but your opinions are not facts just cos you say they are lol

Ain’t nobody arguing to argue and damn sure ain’t trolling

and what do you mean by you and others gave me plausible reasons on anything regarding this game/show?

 

[ReasonableMatic]

#JusticeForJoel, fukk Abby and her bytchass daddy

Ep2 was amazing

 

[jdubnyce]

#JusticeForJoel, fukk Abby and her bytchass daddy

Ep2 was amazing

Abby was 24 when he saved her

 

[ReasonableMatic]

If someone killed your father, you would most likely feel a similar way to Abby

Her bytchass daddy was literally gonna kill an innocent little girl, who gives a fukk about his status. Fukk wrong with y’all lol

Comparing Joel killing them to prevent that from happening ain’t comparable at all.

That’s not even including Abby’s betrayal after he saved her.

Understanding motivation doesn’t mean justification must be included.

 

[King Static X]

Her bytchass daddy was literally gonna kill an innocent little girl, who gives a fukk about his status. Fukk wrong with y’all lol

Comparing Joel killing them to prevent that from happening ain’t comparable at all.

That’s not even including Abby’s betrayal after he saved her.

Understanding motivation doesn’t mean justification must be included.

OK, I can clearly tell that you have strong feelings about this. So I'm not even going to engage.

Believe whatever you want breh

 

[Ziggiy]

Her bytchass daddy was literally gonna kill an innocent little girl, who gives a fukk about his status. Fukk wrong with y’all lol

Comparing Joel killing them to prevent that from happening ain’t comparable at all.

That’s not even including Abby’s betrayal after he saved her.

Understanding motivation doesn’t mean justification must be included.

All of this is true

ALL OF IT

BUT

If somebody killed my father, unless he was on some pedophile shyt, i’m killing whoever did it. I don’t give two shyts WHAT their motives are/were.

Thats the point (or one of the points) of the story. That we as humans are just as savage, cold, and violent as the fungus. The doctor thought he was doing the right thing by sacrificing one innocent child’s life for the chance to save many more innocent children, including his own. Joel thought that HE was doing the right thing by saving an innocent child who was about to be sacrificed for, not even a guarantee of a cure. Who we root for or who we think is “right” is a matter of perspective. We knew Joel’s pain, anguish, and ultimate emotional redemption through the previous 8 episodes. So we rooted for him to save Ellie because we saw the bond between them grow from the start. If the show would’ve been called “The Last of Us: ER Edition” and focused on the doctor and his bond with Abby. They’re pain, anguish, and journey, we’d be more understanding of what his motivations were and, if not outright rooting for him, at least empathizing with the impossible choice he was facing. Maybe he witnessed his wife get her face ripped off by an infected before having to put a bullet in her brain to spare her the turn. Maybe he promised at her grave he’d journey to the ends of the earth to find a cure, so that they’re child wouldn’t know a world of such horror and brutality. Maybe he looked down at an unconscious Ellie and wept for the deed he felt he had to do, but felt no other choice.

We simply don’t know. All we DO know is that we love our families. Through thick and thin. And if anyone were to take them away from us we’d curse the plagues of a thousand suns upon their souls. And if given the opportunity, we’d exact vengeance ourselves. I know I would.

"I can't sugarcoat the answer for you, this is how I feel:
If somebody kill my son, that mean somebody gettin' killed."
Tell me what you do for love, loyalty, and passion of
All the memories collected, moments you could never touch

I wait in front a nikka's spot and watch him hit his block
I catch a nikka leavin' service if that's all I got
I chip a nikka, then throw the blower in his lap
Walk myself to the court like, "bytch, I did that!"
Ain't no Black Power when your baby killed by a coward
I can't even keep the peace, don't you fukk with one of ours
It be murder in the street, it be bodies in the hour
Ghetto bird be on the street, paramedics on the dial
Let somebody touch my mama
Touch my sister, touch my woman
Touch my daddy, touch my niece
Touch my nephew, touch my brother.”
-Kendrick Lamar

 

[ReasonableMatic]

All of this is true

ALL OF IT

BUT

If somebody killed my father, unless he was on some pedophile shyt, i’m killing whoever did it. I don’t give two shyts WHAT their motives are/were.

Thats the point (or one of the points) of the story. That we as humans are just as savage, cold, and violent as the fungus. The doctor thought he was doing the right thing by sacrificing one innocent child’s life for the chance to save many more innocent children, including his own. Joel thought that HE was doing the right thing by saving an innocent child who was about to be sacrificed for, not even a guarantee of a cure. Who we root for or who we think is “right” is a matter of perspective. We knew Joel’s pain, anguish, and ultimate emotional redemption through the previous 8 episodes. So we rooted for him to save Ellie because we saw the bond between them grow from the start. If the show would’ve been called “The Last of Us: ER Edition” and focused on the doctor and his bond with Abby. They’re pain, anguish, and journey, we’d be more understanding of what his motivations were and, if not outright rooting for him, at least empathizing with the impossible choice he was facing. Maybe he witnessed his wife get her face ripped off by an infected before having to put a bullet in her brain to spare her the turn. Maybe he promised at her grave he’d journey to the ends of the earth to find a cure, so that they’re child wouldn’t know a world of such horror and brutality. Maybe he looked down at an unconscious Ellie and wept for the deed he felt he had to do, but felt no other choice.

We simply don’t know. All we DO know is that we love our families. Through thick and thin. And if anyone were to take them away from us we’d curse the plagues of a thousand suns upon their souls. And if given the opportunity, we’d exact vengeance ourselves. I know I would.

"I can't sugarcoat the answer for you, this is how I feel:
If somebody kill my son, that mean somebody gettin' killed."
Tell me what you do for love, loyalty, and passion of
All the memories collected, moments you could never touch

I wait in front a nikka's spot and watch him hit his block
I catch a nikka leavin' service if that's all I got
I chip a nikka, then throw the blower in his lap
Walk myself to the court like, "bytch, I did that!"
Ain't no Black Power when your baby killed by a coward
I can't even keep the peace, don't you fukk with one of ours
It be murder in the street, it be bodies in the hour
Ghetto bird be on the street, paramedics on the dial
Let somebody touch my mama
Touch my sister, touch my woman
Touch my daddy, touch my niece
Touch my nephew, touch my brother.”
-Kendrick Lamar

I agree, except there is no “but”

You overlooked the very last sentence of the post.

Her bytchass daddy was literally gonna kill an innocent little girl, who gives a fukk about his status. Fukk wrong with y’all lol

Comparing Joel killing them to prevent that from happening ain’t comparable at all.

That’s not even including Abby’s betrayal after he saved her.

Understanding motivation doesn’t mean justification must be included.

I never says I didn’t understand Abby’s motivation..

My point is that the 2 motivations are not equal. AT ALL..

 

[HiiiPower]

Ain’t nobody arguing to argue and damn sure ain’t trolling

and what do you mean by you and others gave me plausible reasons on anything regarding this game/show?

You literally just quoted them all

And then @Jmare007 replied to you again proving you wrong again..

So again, Youre either being obtuse and trolling, or you genuinely have a hard time understanding things from other perspectives

 

[904]

Her friends don't fear Abby. They didn't in the game and they don't fear her in the show.

They're just good friends being put in a tough spot trying to honor her wishes.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Abby is bad casting. Just because she acts like a bytch don't make her menacing. But oh well, we watching.

 

[Trav]

Her friends don't fear Abby. They didn't in the game and they don't fear her in the show.

They're just good friends being put in a tough spot trying to honor her wishes.

Yeah, I didn't really get the sense that anyone was really scared of (or intimidated) by her other than that lil green girl who patched Joel up before ole gurl went Tiger Woods . Just came off as, it's an apocalypse, we need an "objective" and we need a leader whatever that is, and right now, that's her. How many times have we seen a lot of people do not want the burden of leading, making tough decisions, etc.?

Now, like @Ezekiel 25:17 said, if she start throwing cars at mfs down the line, we can talk

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

All of this is true

ALL OF IT

BUT

If somebody killed my father, unless he was on some pedophile shyt, i’m killing whoever did it. I don’t give two shyts WHAT their motives are/were.

Thats the point (or one of the points) of the story. That we as humans are just as savage, cold, and violent as the fungus. The doctor thought he was doing the right thing by sacrificing one innocent child’s life for the chance to save many more innocent children, including his own. Joel thought that HE was doing the right thing by saving an innocent child who was about to be sacrificed for, not even a guarantee of a cure. Who we root for or who we think is “right” is a matter of perspective. We knew Joel’s pain, anguish, and ultimate emotional redemption through the previous 8 episodes. So we rooted for him to save Ellie because we saw the bond between them grow from the start. If the show would’ve been called “The Last of Us: ER Edition” and focused on the doctor and his bond with Abby. They’re pain, anguish, and journey, we’d be more understanding of what his motivations were and, if not outright rooting for him, at least empathizing with the impossible choice he was facing. Maybe he witnessed his wife get her face ripped off by an infected before having to put a bullet in her brain to spare her the turn. Maybe he promised at her grave he’d journey to the ends of the earth to find a cure, so that they’re child wouldn’t know a world of such horror and brutality. Maybe he looked down at an unconscious Ellie and wept for the deed he felt he had to do, but felt no other choice.

We simply don’t know. All we DO know is that we love our families. Through thick and thin. And if anyone were to take them away from us we’d curse the plagues of a thousand suns upon their souls. And if given the opportunity, we’d exact vengeance ourselves. I know I would.

"I can't sugarcoat the answer for you, this is how I feel:
If somebody kill my son, that mean somebody gettin' killed."
Tell me what you do for love, loyalty, and passion of
All the memories collected, moments you could never touch

I wait in front a nikka's spot and watch him hit his block
I catch a nikka leavin' service if that's all I got
I chip a nikka, then throw the blower in his lap
Walk myself to the court like, "bytch, I did that!"
Ain't no Black Power when your baby killed by a coward
I can't even keep the peace, don't you fukk with one of ours
It be murder in the street, it be bodies in the hour
Ghetto bird be on the street, paramedics on the dial
Let somebody touch my mama
Touch my sister, touch my woman
Touch my daddy, touch my niece
Touch my nephew, touch my brother.”
-Kendrick Lamar

Y'all still debating this goofy ass story??

I like how everybody ignores Joel really cared about Ellie. Like You yourself wouldn't have caught feelings for a little girl trying to survive.

I like how everybody conveniently left out them having to kill Ellie and so Joel is the bad guy. The doctors could've just let her go, but nah they didn't want that.

Joel saved your life from being eaten alive and you still kill him, da hell kinda fuk narrative is that?