Deep_Black_Conscious
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When it's all said and done, people will realize TLOU2 > TLOU1You’re stupid, they shouldn’t have killed Joel, Abby is a man arm, and they shoulda killed each other at the end because I wanted revenge for Papa Joel
The Last of Us Part II | PS4 | June 19th (NO OPEN SPOILERS)
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Deep_Black_Conscious
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Neil chose to make TLOU2 do for gaming what game of thrones did for tv
Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
im still laughing about grown men crying over this character dying.
I still say the issue wasn't killing Joel. The game was just too damn long. It ran out of steam to me 2/3rds of the way through. I got to the hospital as Abby and I'm well past the length of the first game and I just dropped it. Second game in a row I dropped from this studio cause I dropped Uncharted 4 when we were in I think a desert level or something with a Jeep and Sully.
BlaccSunrise
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The gameplay
The Visuals
The Audio
The
The Visuals
The Audio
The
Backshots
Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
not enough rape scenes?
Deep_Black_Conscious
Superstar
pace is a valid criticism for ND games TLOU2 included
Still doesn't mean it's not a 10/10
The pace after the Joel scene could have been a little bit faster but outside of that I thought the pace was fine
That was my problem with UC4 took forever to get started and was a lot worse than TLOU2
Deep_Black_Conscious
Superstar
Honestly
1) Joel
2) the ending
3) the work the game requires you to do beyond the obvious and stated compared to the
first game which was also abstract
is what created the controversy
Outside of that the game deserves the praise and awards
The game is brilliant, innovative, and possibly ahead of its time
Probably going to be a handful of people who will appreciate the TLOU2 in retrospect or after another playthrough especially when they mature emotionally and go through things that they can relate to in the game Joel controversy and all
When have you ever seen a creator give this less of a fukk in terms of how he wants to tell his story with a franchise as big as TLOU when he believes the right people will see the quality in it?
Neil lost a lot of fans but the backlash shows how great of a game TLOU2 is and he probably
retained and will gain a good amount of fans
If I'm honest I've trolled and threw shade at the game after the ending ruined it for me but I never thought the game was less than a 10/10 but in terms of story it was less than a 10/10 with the story being a level below the first game but better than the majority of other game's story
I liked how much the ending has grown on me after my analysis of the story and now it's not
dumb
After doing my own analysis it's TLOU2 > TLOU1 in terms of being a game and TLOU2's story is at least on par with or better than the story of the first game after you sit down and think about what everything means
I have a deep analysis written about the main binding theme and derivative themes of TLOU1 and 2 that I think is pretty deepbut I'm saving that for monetary reasons 
That ending is still dumb as hell without the required work though
1) Joel
2) the ending
3) the work the game requires you to do beyond the obvious and stated compared to the
first game which was also abstract
is what created the controversy
Outside of that the game deserves the praise and awards
The game is brilliant, innovative, and possibly ahead of its time
Probably going to be a handful of people who will appreciate the TLOU2 in retrospect or after another playthrough especially when they mature emotionally and go through things that they can relate to in the game Joel controversy and all
When have you ever seen a creator give this less of a fukk in terms of how he wants to tell his story with a franchise as big as TLOU when he believes the right people will see the quality in it?
Neil lost a lot of fans but the backlash shows how great of a game TLOU2 is and he probably
retained and will gain a good amount of fans
If I'm honest I've trolled and threw shade at the game after the ending ruined it for me but I never thought the game was less than a 10/10 but in terms of story it was less than a 10/10 with the story being a level below the first game but better than the majority of other game's story
I liked how much the ending has grown on me after my analysis of the story and now it's not
dumb
After doing my own analysis it's TLOU2 > TLOU1 in terms of being a game and TLOU2's story is at least on par with or better than the story of the first game after you sit down and think about what everything means
I have a deep analysis written about the main binding theme and derivative themes of TLOU1 and 2 that I think is pretty deep
but I'm saving that for monetary reasons That ending is still dumb as hell without the required work though
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I’ll still never understand why they had you using fukking shivs as a character who spent half her life in a militia all the whole Ellie gets to use her unbreakable lil blade
Abby should 100% be using a combat knife
Abby should 100% be using a combat knife
Deep_Black_Conscious
Superstar
That shyt pissed me off
I think Neil trolled us
Her combat arrow is TRASH compared to Ellie's I never use it I've died so many times trying to use that piece of shyt
At least Abby's sections were GOAT, no matter how the player feels about her
That shyt pissed me off
I think Neil was trolled us
Her combat arrow is TRASH I never use it I've died so many times trying to use that piece of shyt
At least Abby's sections were GOAT
naw that thing with the scope was
against humans
Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
Deep_Black_Conscious
Superstar
ThrobbingHood
Breh&Breh Associates™
I was gonna play this since it’s on PS Now but I watched an entire walkthrough via YouTube, so I’ve ruined the experience for myself. 
Deep_Black_Conscious
Superstar
In Neil's original draft before Haley Gross influenced him
Ellie kills Abby and therefore either directly or indirectly kills Lev, which I think makes more sense for her story arc and makes the ending seem less of a huge cop out
Since I played as Abby for so long, I thought she was either going to die, giving players a certain effect beyond potential satisfaction due to loss of humanity, especially after playing as Abby with a child traveling along, or coming up with a clever way to let Abby live, like the Fat Gerald meme guyimagine he caught both Abby and Ellie?
So many ways they could have went with that possibility as a twist for players missed opportunity in terms of creativity
This is the only change from the original draft and honestly I think the game wouldn't be as controversial if players got what they wanted by getting revenge, but with the twist being you play as the person you kill with a child coming along, only for you to do the darkest act in the end.
The random forgiveness towards the object of your greatest hate didn't make sense and I had to reframe everything and pay attention to detail for it to make sense and therefore not reduce the quality of the story for me. I was okay with everything going on until that blatant cop out ending. Without the necessary work, I agree the ending is trash and a huge cop out.
Otherwise, it makes sense but the game would have been more powerful showing revenge can be just as satisfying as forgiveness, but at what cost?, hence the constant cycles of violence we always see taking our humanity and the humanity of others for granted creating unbelievable suffering and destruction.
Joel would have definitely killed Abby, especially for his child, and the obvious being Ellie becoming like Joel but not liking it at all. She feels regret. That fukked up ending would be unbelievably dark and complete Ellie's character arc for Part 2, showing the darkest depths of her character, and the cost of revenge beyond satisfaction and being possessed by the satisfaction subsiding, allowing you to see the hell you placed yourself in when it's too late, like your humanity and therefore ability to be happy, for a redemption in Part 3 having lost her humanity like Joel, curse of kids becoming their parents. Way more powerful IMO and would make everything seem less of a drag. Neil should have stuck to his dark ending or came up with that Fat Gerald idea as a more clever way to let Abby live or lead to more clever outcomes involving Abby and Ellie (gladiator fight, now fight these zombies, now they are imprisoned, etc.)
Commercially, we'll see what the long term sales of this game are especially after the HBO show because even though I enjoyed the game, I also understand why people hate the game and I almost hated the game because of that dumb ass ending that is stupid from the perspective of revenge and forgiveness.
Neil, ND, and their investors from Sony with one investor from Sony being their only source of investment did not see the backlash coming, but we'll see if the 4 mill in a couple days is the maximum amount they have right now or if they haven't passed 6 mil. I think they were expecting 10+ mil in the first year and if they haven't hit that, I think that's why they're stuck on the 4 mil in 3 days figure
The most success seems to be in the US and some parts of Europe
The ending only makes sense in terms of Ellie saving her own humanity, showing forgiveness through forgiving yourself (she doesn't forgive Abby) can be just as satisfying as revenge
But showing revenge is just as satisfying as forgiveness would also be a nice twist and make more sense given the theme, even if predictable, because of the EFFECT of playing as the person you kill as well a child that came along with me, which is huge as Ellie already killed a pregnant woman. She could have seen a clear image of Joel, followed by continued PTSD memories of him along with now a dead child, Lev. So the ending both does and does not make sense based on how you frame it or how much you hate the game.
Anyone who hates Abby or this game?
I think it was more the ending than what happened to Joel even the Joel is the first big reason
At least TLOU1 ended, even if you didn't like it, as a natural conclusion to Joel's character development in Part 1
I think Neil should have stuck with the original ending as we never had the perspective of killing someone that you had a chance to play as along with the child that comes along with us, like a mirror of Joel and Ellie.
Part 1: surviving with Joel and Ellie
Part 2: the consequences of this survival which leads to loss and then revenge, killing a mirror of Joel and Ellie, where the people we survive as are killed by the main survivor from Part 1, and loses herself and doesn't resolve but exacerbates her PTSD due to the powerful drug of satisfaction through revenge.
Since I played as Abby for so long, I thought she was either going to die, giving players a certain effect beyond potential satisfaction due to loss of humanity, especially after playing as Abby with a child traveling along, or coming up with a clever way to let Abby live, like the Fat Gerald meme guy
imagine he caught both Abby and Ellie?So many ways they could have went with that possibility as a twist for players missed opportunity in terms of creativity
This is the only change from the original draft and honestly I think the game wouldn't be as controversial if players got what they wanted by getting revenge, but with the twist being you play as the person you kill with a child coming along, only for you to do the darkest act in the end.
The random forgiveness towards the object of your greatest hate didn't make sense and I had to reframe everything and pay attention to detail for it to make sense and therefore not reduce the quality of the story for me. I was okay with everything going on until that blatant cop out ending. Without the necessary work, I agree the ending is trash and a huge cop out.
Otherwise, it makes sense but the game would have been more powerful showing revenge can be just as satisfying as forgiveness, but at what cost?, hence the constant cycles of violence we always see taking our humanity and the humanity of others for granted creating unbelievable suffering and destruction.
Joel would have definitely killed Abby, especially for his child, and the obvious being Ellie becoming like Joel but not liking it at all. She feels regret. That fukked up ending would be unbelievably dark and complete Ellie's character arc for Part 2, showing the darkest depths of her character, and the cost of revenge beyond satisfaction and being possessed by the satisfaction subsiding, allowing you to see the hell you placed yourself in when it's too late, like your humanity and therefore ability to be happy, for a redemption in Part 3 having lost her humanity like Joel, curse of kids becoming their parents. Way more powerful IMO and would make everything seem less of a drag. Neil should have stuck to his dark ending or came up with that Fat Gerald idea as a more clever way to let Abby live or lead to more clever outcomes involving Abby and Ellie (gladiator fight, now fight these zombies, now they are imprisoned, etc.)
Commercially, we'll see what the long term sales of this game are especially after the HBO show because even though I enjoyed the game, I also understand why people hate the game and I almost hated the game because of that dumb ass ending that is stupid from the perspective of revenge and forgiveness.
Neil, ND, and their investors from Sony with one investor from Sony being their only source of investment did not see the backlash coming, but we'll see if the 4 mill in a couple days is the maximum amount they have right now or if they haven't passed 6 mil. I think they were expecting 10+ mil in the first year and if they haven't hit that, I think that's why they're stuck on the 4 mil in 3 days figure
The most success seems to be in the US and some parts of Europe
The ending only makes sense in terms of Ellie saving her own humanity, showing forgiveness through forgiving yourself (she doesn't forgive Abby) can be just as satisfying as revenge
But showing revenge is just as satisfying as forgiveness would also be a nice twist and make more sense given the theme, even if predictable, because of the EFFECT of playing as the person you kill as well a child that came along with me, which is huge as Ellie already killed a pregnant woman. She could have seen a clear image of Joel, followed by continued PTSD memories of him along with now a dead child, Lev. So the ending both does and does not make sense based on how you frame it or how much you hate the game.
Anyone who hates Abby or this game?
I think it was more the ending than what happened to Joel even the Joel is the first big reason
At least TLOU1 ended, even if you didn't like it, as a natural conclusion to Joel's character development in Part 1
I think Neil should have stuck with the original ending as we never had the perspective of killing someone that you had a chance to play as along with the child that comes along with us, like a mirror of Joel and Ellie.
Part 1: surviving with Joel and Ellie
Part 2: the consequences of this survival which leads to loss and then revenge, killing a mirror of Joel and Ellie, where the people we survive as are killed by the main survivor from Part 1, and loses herself and doesn't resolve but exacerbates her PTSD due to the powerful drug of satisfaction through revenge.
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