The “Islamic Dilemma” conversation on PIERS MORGAN?

[Sccit]

Some did and others called it Palestine. Prior to the Kingdom of Israel they called it Canaan.
Canaanites, Israelites, (early)Palestinians; they were all the same people only separated by cultural practices/religion.

ARE SOME MODERN DAY PALESTINIANS ISRAELITES WHO CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM? YES, ALTHOUGH FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.....CANAANITES AND ISRAELITES WERE 2 DIFFERENT NATIONS. SURE, BOTH CARRIED LEVANTINE GENETICS, BUT THE CANAANITES WERE DESTROYED AND NO LONGER EXIST.

MOST JEWS WERE EXPELLED FROM THE REGION, AND THE ARABS MOVED UP DURING THE ARABIZATION OF THE LEVANT, WHICH IS WHY PALESTINIAN ANCESTRY IS ROOTED IN SAUDI ARABIA.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE TO HAVE A SOVEREIGN NATION ON THAT LAND WAS JEWS...THE LAND IS RICH IN JEWISH CULTURE AND HISTORY. ARCHEOLOGY SHOWS U EVERYTHING. WHAT IS "PALESTINIAN" HISTORY? CAN U EVEN NAME ME ONE NOTABLE "PALESTINIAN" IN HISTORY?

IT NEVER EXISTED .. IT WAS ONLY A COLONIAL NAME, NOT AN ACTUAL NATIONAL IDENTITY.

 

[Hov]

YHWH condone slavery. I thought you wanted me to point out the awfulness in the Bible?

Ephesians 6:5-8

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.




Historical document, huh?

Exodus 24:9-12

9 Then Moses went up [a]with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10 and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, [c]as clear as the sky itself. 11 Yet He did not reach out with His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.

12 Now the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and [d]stay there, and I will give you the stone tablets [e]with the Law and the [f]commandments which I have written for their instruction.”

you believe that actually happened?

Brother, I could dismantle this and your "white mans religion" narrative in ways you never thought possible that would have you looking at your own reflection differently, while bowing on your knees and giving thanks for being the ancestors of such powerful Black people allowed to have this silly disrespectful discourse online.

But I think its better suited for it's own thread, one day.

Just know, your lens what of you THINK is woke is still shaped by the colonizers eye.

 

[DoubleClutch]

YHWH condone slavery. I thought you wanted me to point out the awfulness in the Bible?

Ephesians 6:5-8

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.




Historical document, huh?

Yes breh

These were real Christians dealing with the complexities of life and issues such as slavery

These are how church leaders Paul in this case are encouraging other Christian churches.

Paul isn’t Jesus. You don’t need to have faith in Paul but you do need to respect his writings as historical accounts of what happened in 1 century Christianity and what they believed/taught

Breh, you’re BLACK ADOS I assume

How do you think your CHRISTIAN ancestors got through 400 years of slavery way worse than the slavery depicted in the letters of Paul and early church?

Take into account the difference between HAITI today and USA

Two DIFFERENT histories and reactions to slavery

1. Christian lead outcome

2. The non Christian Black African spirituality outcome

You pro black anti Christianity ADOS brehs are the biggest hypocrites

Reap all the benefits of living in the best country on earth which was built on the sacrifices of your CHRISTIAN ancestors while at the same time criticizing them for being “weak” Christians for following “white Jesus” and the WHITE SLAVE MASTERS RELIGION

You should be thanking “white Jesus” and your ancestors especially those Christians (Black and white) who lead the abolitionist movement

Would you rather they were Muslims or Voodoo followers who got themselves killed or committed suicide

Maybe Ephesians 6:5-8 was a GOOD teaching for Black Christians to reflect on 1500+ years later and the smart move in hindsight for Christians to be HUMBLE and take the higher ground and “submit” to the evil White Christians for a time.

And despite them being in a bad position that definitely would test their faith, they had to know and trust that God had a plan for a better life in the near future (freedom) or in the next life.

Maybe their FAITH in Jesus sustained them enough to endure for years.

We are not all promised a perfect life. Actually the Bible shows otherwise. But God is there to make things easier.

Otherwise where would we be today?

Would you go move to Haiti today and leave your nice life in America?

Would you move to an Arab country where their religion And prophet actually promotes Black African slavery and where by sharia law Muslims actually can still own slaves and concubines?

Even if they don’t currently, these Muslims in USA secretly WANT to own them.

Stop playing stupid on the topic of slavery. It’s disrespectful to Black people. You’re exposing yourself. We know you used to be a Christian. You should know better.

 

[Sccit]

Yes breh

These were real Christians dealing with the complexities of life and issues such as slavery

These are how church leaders Paul in this case are encouraging other Christian churches.

Paul isn’t Jesus. You don’t need to have faith in Paul but you do need to respect his writings as historical accounts of what happened in 1 century Christianity and what they believed/taught

Breh, you’re BLACK ADOS I assume

How do you think your CHRISTIAN ancestors got through 400 years of slavery way worse than the slavery depicted in the letters of Paul and early church?

Take into account the difference between HAITI today and USA

Two DIFFERENT histories and reactions to slavery

1. Christian lead outcome

2. The non Christian Black African spirituality outcome

You pro black anti Christianity ADOS brehs are the biggest hypocrites

Reap all the benefits of living in the best country on earth which was built on the sacrifices of your CHRISTIAN ancestors while at the same time criticizing them for being “weak” Christians for following “white Jesus” and the WHITE SLAVE MASTERS RELIGION

You should be thanking “white Jesus” and your ancestors especially those Christians (Black and white) who lead the abolitionist movement

Would you rather they were Muslims or Voodoo followers who got themselves killed or committed suicide

Maybe Ephesians 6:5-8 was a GOOD teaching for Black Christians to reflect on 1500+ years later and the smart move in hindsight for Christians to be HUMBLE and take the higher ground and “submit” to the evil White Christians for a time.

And despite them being in a bad position that definitely would test their faith, they had to know and trust that God had a plan for a better life in the near future (freedom) or in the next life.

Maybe their FAITH in Jesus sustained them enough to endure for years.

We are not all promised a perfect life. Actually the Bible shows otherwise. But God is there to make things easier.

Otherwise where would we be today?

Would you go move to Haiti today and leave your nice life in America?

Would you move to an Arab country where their religion And prophet actually promotes Black African slavery and where by sharia law Muslims actually can still own slaves and concubines?

Even if they don’t currently, these Muslims in USA secretly WANT to own them.

Stop playing stupid on the topic of slavery. It’s disrespectful to Black people. You’re exposing yourself. We know you used to be a Christian. You should know better.

THEY DO CURRENTLY

THERE IS BLACK SLAVERY STILL GOIN ON IN MULTIPLE MUSLIM NATIONS

 

[Hov]

Yes breh

These were real Christians dealing with the complexities of life and issues such as slavery

These are how church leaders Paul in this case are encouraging other Christian churches.

Paul isn’t Jesus. You don’t need to have faith in Paul but you do need to respect his writings as historical accounts of what happened in 1 century Christianity and what they believed/taught

Breh, you’re BLACK ADOS I assume

How do you think your CHRISTIAN ancestors got through 400 years of slavery way worse than the slavery depicted in the letters of Paul and early church?

Take into account the difference between HAITI today and USA

Two DIFFERENT histories and reactions to slavery

1. Christian lead outcome

2. The non Christian Black African spirituality outcome

You pro black anti Christianity ADOS brehs are the biggest hypocrites

Reap all the benefits of living in the best country on earth which was built on the sacrifices of your CHRISTIAN ancestors while at the same time criticizing them for being “weak” Christians for following “white Jesus” and the WHITE SLAVE MASTERS RELIGION

You should be thanking “white Jesus” and your ancestors especially those Christians (Black and white) who lead the abolitionist movement

Would you rather they were Muslims or Voodoo followers who got themselves killed or committed suicide

Maybe Ephesians 6:5-8 was a GOOD teaching for Black Christians to reflect on 1500+ years later and the smart move in hindsight for Christians to be HUMBLE and take the higher ground and “submit” to the evil White Christians for a time.

And despite them being in a bad position that definitely would test their faith, they had to know and trust that God had a plan for a better life in the near future (freedom) or in the next life.

Maybe their FAITH in Jesus sustained them enough to endure for years.

We are not all promised a perfect life. Actually the Bible shows otherwise. But God is there to make things easier.

Otherwise where would we be today?

Would you go move to Haiti today and leave your nice life in America?

Would you move to an Arab country where their religion And prophet actually promotes Black African slavery and where by sharia law Muslims actually can still own slaves and concubines?

Even if they don’t currently, these Muslims in USA secretly WANT to own them.

Stop playing stupid on the topic of slavery. It’s disrespectful to Black people. You’re exposing yourself. We know you used to be a Christian. You should know better.

Teach em

Nobody wants to hear that their ancestor tribal worshopping spiritual Orisha praying too kinfolk sold them into slavery, and WERE NOT TRICKED, they actually got super wealthy from it, esp the brutal Ashanti Empire who not just captured and got rich off other Africans but purposely conquered other nations and tribes SOLELY TO SELL THEM INTO SLAVERY to the white man

And that the Ashanti tribe is now GHANA, the country yall run too cuz they got money nice stuff and got the celebs doing the ADOS move back to the motherland campaign

But nobody wants to tell you that. Nobody wants to say that the CHRISTIAN Ethipoians stood on Biblical business, created doctrine and had Christianity 800 years before any Euro (more years than we are today FROM SLAVERY) and used Christianity to NOT ATTACK PEOPLE AND REFUSED the slave trade or the barbaric actions of other diety worshipping cultures

or about Nubia (now Sudan) who did same but got conquered by Islamic forces

Or how some slaves were Christians already and some of the most powerful preachers CONVERTERED THEIR OWNERS and got freed after they saw the light

Or how Quakers and the rich Christian who owned Oberlin college made his students help build some of the underground railroad network, and refused any dealing or communions with any "fake Christian who owned slaves", helping pave the way for the BLACK WOMAN MOSES Harriet Tubman, who stood on...Christianity

Y'alls whole worldview finna get shattered

 

[DoubleClutch]

THEY DO CURRENTLY

THERE IS BLACK SLAVERY STILL GOIN ON IN MULTIPLE MUSLIM NATIONS

You know what’s funny? Most my references to slavery in Islam have conveniently become dead links or deleted videos



But this is still up

We know slavery never stopped under Sharia Law and TRUE MUSLIMS have no problem with slavery as Muhammad did it.

And they still see Black Africans and Dark skinned Arabs as slaves

 

[Sccit]

You know what’s funny? Most my references to slavery in Islam have conveniently become dead links or deleted videos



But this is still up

We know slavery never stopped under Sharia Law and TRUE MUSLIMS have no problem with slavery as Muhammad did it.

And they still see Black Africans and Dark skinned Arabs as slaves

THIS IS COMMON SENSE AMONGST THOSE WITH ANY KNOWLEDGE

OUTSIDERS WHO HAVE JUST RECENTLY INJECTED THEMSELVES INTO MIDDLE EASTERN GEOPOLITICS (AKA 95% OF THIS FORUM) DONT GET EXPOSED TO THIS HORRIFIC FACT, BECAUSE RADICAL ISLAMISTS (IN COLLABORATION WITH THE NOI) HAVE PUT ALL THEIR CHIPS INTO AN ANTI-ISRAEL CAMPAIGN BY DUPING MARGINALIZED GROUPS (WOKE LEFT, LBTQ, ADOS ETC.) INTO BELIEVING THAT THERES A SIMILAR TYPE OF OPPRESSION GOING ON BY WESTERN SOCIETY TOWARDS THE ISLAMIC WORLD, COMPARABLE TO THE OPPRESSION THAT THOSE GROUPS CAN RELATE TO.

AND THEY DO IT VIA AN INGENIOUS MASS MARKETING AND PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN HEAVILY FUNDED BY QATAR (LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY DUMP INTO AMERICAN UNIVERSITIES), BECAUSE THATS THE ONLY AREA THEY HAVE A SHOT AT VICTORY IN.

VERY UNFORTUNATE.

 

[merklman]

Here you go G:

The passage is part of the Mosaic Law given to ancient Israel under their theocratic system, not modern moral law or Christian doctrine.
• Verses 13–21 deal with false accusations against a bride. If the accusation is false, the man is fined and must stay married to her. If the accusation is true and she was sexually immoral while in her father's house, she was stoned...not for lack of virginity, but for deceit and bringing shame to her father's household.
• Verse 22 condemns adultery. Both parties die, consistent with Leviticus 20:10.
• Verses 23–24 address consensual sex with a betrothed woman in town, both are guilty if she did not cry for help.
• Verses 25–27 clarify that rape in the countryside is not the woman’s fault and only the man dies.
• Verses 28–29 refer to premarital sex (not rape, in the Hebrew) with an unbetrothed virgin. The verb used is taphas (seize) and shakab (lie with), often interpreted as seduction or force without her being pledged. The punishment is financial and obligates marriage meant to protect the woman from abandonment in a patriarchal society.

This does not apply to modern Christian ethics, these were civil laws for ancient Israel not prescriptions for Christian practice.

Jesus fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17), and the New Covenant does not mandate these punishments.

Ahh but "Jesus" in your "Gospels" still seemed to follow and preach Old Testament laws? This excerpt from Mark Chapter 7 is rather interested for your innovators

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ Moses teachings are OT right? you and @DoubleClutch out here killing children who curse their parents?



I do appreciate your response though - that useless fakkit @DoubleClutch spent nearly a full year ducking and dodging a very simple question about which bible we should be reading as his source of "truth". But, he did confidently defend raping 3 year old girls.

Overarchingly, how is it that you can say "This does not apply to modern Christian ethics", but take quotes (without context) from Muslim scriptures and do not apply the same logic? You do realize a lot of the stuff you want to point at does not apply to modern Muslim ethic and law? You can see how I can flick to any part of the OT and NT and rip it apart?

 

[merklman]

Good response but don’t bother with him. I’ve said everything that needs to be said in multiple posts In different threads throughout the year

He’s hardened and stubborn. He won’t understand because he doesn’t believe in Jesus.

He can try those arguments against Jews I guess. Not sure why he keeps mentioning the Torah laws and old stories to me

Don’t play the “whataboutism” game with him.


No matter how good your response, he will just read your post, give some stupid responses with personal insults and deflect to some other dawah script talking point which IS NOT RELATED TO THE THREAD TOPIC


All Muslims do this to avoid criticism of their religion, prophet and book.

Let’s get back to the Islamic dilemma



and debunking the religion like in this video below

Another essay which no one is reading

You dropped maybe 100,000 words since I asked your dumb islamophobic ass which version of the bible is the source of truth, you ready to answer yet?

Thought not

 

[merklman]

I see @Sccit has joined the thread

We’re about to do numbers

@merklman has gone into hiding since @Hov put him in his place

You zionist fakkits teaming up? Pathetic . @Hov managed to confirm that you and him are parading the panties of your infant daughters to the towns people, you sick fukking freaks

I have a full time job, you fatherless paedophile

 

[merklman]

TRY BEING A DEMOCTATIC COUNTRY IN A SEA OF ISLAMIC JIHADISTS N TELL ME HOW U MANAGE TO SURVIVE

They protected them from slaughter and genocide from christian crusaders you fukking moron

 

[DoubleClutch]

Teach em

Nobody wants to hear that their ancestor tribal worshopping spiritual Orisha praying too kinfolk sold them into slavery, and WERE NOT TRICKED, they actually got super wealthy from it, esp the brutal Ashanti Empire who not just captured and got rich off other Africans but purposely conquered other nations and tribes SOLELY TO SELL THEM INTO SLAVERY to the white man

And that the Ashanti tribe is now GHANA, the country yall run too cuz they got money nice stuff and got the celebs doing the ADOS move back to the motherland campaign

But nobody wants to tell you that. Nobody wants to say that the CHRISTIAN Ethipoians stood on Biblical business, created doctrine and had Christianity 800 years before any Euro (more years than we are today FROM SLAVERY) and used Christianity to NOT ATTACK PEOPLE AND REFUSED the slave trade or the barbaric actions of other diety worshipping cultures

or about Nubia (now Sudan) who did same but got conquered by Islamic forces

Or how some slaves were Christians already and some of the most powerful preachers CONVERTERED THEIR OWNERS and got freed after they saw the light

Or how Quakers and the rich Christian who owned Oberlin college made his students help build some of the underground railroad network, and refused any dealing or communions with any "fake Christian who owned slaves", helping pave the way for the BLACK WOMAN MOSES Harriet Tubman, who stood on...Christianity

Y'alls whole worldview finna get shattered

They sold to the ARAB white man first



Yea it’s sad that African Muslims and even traditional beliefs still didnt prevent them from engaging in the slave trade with their own people and different tribes

We all know Muslims were the trailblazer of what would become the transatlantic slave trade and set the stage for religious based anti black racism

People always criticize Christianity and what happened in USA and the Caribbean

But let’s be honest if Christianity was stronger in west Africa maybe history plays out differently

And yea the Church was so strong in Ethiopia for hundreds of years and had a well established foundation and beliefs that Arabs and whites respected them enough to not come at them with proposition I guess

Plus they had already conquered “Arabs” and had kingdoms in Yemen BEFORE most Arabs nomads could even read.

Also Ethiopia was too familiar with Islam to get fleeced.

You could even say they know who the REAL MUHAMMAD was…… but that’s another topic for another thread

I dunno too much about that history

But I do know Ethiopian Jews were made slaves and persecuted.

So Ethiopia isnt 100% innocent

They did things against their own tribes and people also.

 

[Sccit]

They protected them from slaughter and genocide from christian crusaders you fukking moron

LMFAOOOOO

ARABS HAVE BEEN MASSACRING JEWS IN THE REGION WELL BEFORE 1947 U DUNCE

 

[merklman]

LMFAOOOOO

ARABS HAVE BEEN MASSACRING JEWS IN THE REGION WELL BEFORE 1947 U DUNCE

Why did the jews follow the Moors out of Spain? Do you want more examples? Are you fukking retarded?

 

[Sccit]

Why did the jews follow the Moors out of Spain? Do you want more examples? Are you fukking retarded?

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