The irony of all this is that Triple Haitch is actually a B+ player

[FreshAIG]

A few things:

Triple H is definitely in the "A" range, but I'd expect nothing less from people who want to diminish his career because they have some sort of grudge against him so its whatever.

LOL @ Goldberg or Warrior being placed among the greats. They were both awful wrestlers, complete flashes in the pan, and generally disliked by their peers for very valid reasons.

Andre is ranked way too high. Andre was a carnival act. Yes he did "pop territories", but his runs were always short lived, because he couldnt sustain interest from the paying public. He was used as sort of the ultimate trump card: A heel would be on a strong run, and then Andre would be brought in to set him straight. Andre would then promptly leave because there wasnt much you could do with him after that. Once he settled on the WWE later in his career, he became just another guy outside of his Mania 3 match.

Bruno deserves to be wherever Austin and the Rock are. He sold out the garden month, after month, after month....for well over a decade. Fans never got sick of him. He was the first babyface Icon of the business.

Nah Andre was not just a carnival act. Andre is right up there with the big names. Jim Londos is the biggest draw ever in reality, if you compare for time and longevity. But that was way before all of our times

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Nah Andre was not just a carnival act. Andre is right up there with the big names. Jim Londos is the biggest draw ever in reality, if you compare for time and longevity. But that was way before all of our times

Andre is definitely a big name....if we were ranking just star power then that would be one thing, but if you are ranking the greats based on a multitude of criteria then Andre has to fall back. The guy couldnt talk...couldnt really wrestle...would kill business if you kept him around....You cant just dismiss these things.

 

[Nintendough]

Andre is definitely a big name....if we were ranking just star power then that would be one thing, but if you are ranking the greats based on a multitude of criteria then Andre has to fall back. The guy couldnt talk...couldnt really wrestle...would kill business if you kept him around....You cant just dismiss these things.

Andre during prime was able to perform dropkicks and had a much broader move set but big Vince wanted him to stop. Most people judge Andre off of the last 3-4 years of his career when his health was in decline. He could wrestle.

 

[FreshAIG]

Andre is definitely a big name....if we were ranking just star power then that would be one thing, but if you are ranking the greats based on a multitude of criteria then Andre has to fall back. The guy couldnt talk...couldnt really wrestle...would kill business if you kept him around....You cant just dismiss these things.

You're judging off his last 5 years tho

Prior to that Andre was a solid/decent worker and was very agile for someone his size. Him not talking added to the mystique. This is more about name notoriety and drawing power. Not complete package as a wrestler.

 

[The G.O.D II]

I di ONE of. And yes it is a fact. His reign the house show attendance was HALF of what it was during Hogan's reign, PPV business went down as well. There's nothing successful about his reign.

You talking about a Pop from one PPV, I'm talking about generating money breh. Come on man, think. You letting your emotions blind reality. That's my point. UW got huge pops when he came to the ring and the WWE pushed him a lot so in your mind he was a huge mega draw. In reality, he wasn't at all. His midcard run he was a better draw than he was as a maineventer. When he got the ball, he failed miserably.

Savage house show attendance as champion, and before he won the belt and after was right there with Hogan's, just a smidge below and sometimes bigger depending on the market. PPV isn't fair to compare because Hogan mainevented with him in most PPVs when he was champion as a partner of his.

And he had a worse run the next year when he wasn't attached to Hogan or Andre. Warrior main opponent during his run was Rude, which was fine for a mustard but most ppl didn't view him as a serious main event heel. Put warrior in savage spot and he would draw. Point is not even warrior vs savage in drawing power though. Its that savage is not this all time draw on the level of Hogan, Flair, etc.

 

[FreshAIG]

And he had a worse run the next year when he wasn't attached to Hogan or Andre. Warrior main opponent during his run was Rude, which was fine for a mustard but most ppl didn't view him as a serious main event heel. Put warrior in savage spot and he would draw. Point is not even warrior vs savage in drawing power though. Its that savage is not this all time draw on the level of Hogan, Flair, etc.

What are you talking about? Savage was the second biggest draw from 1987-1990 behind Hogan. You're really just talking out your ass at this point.

And yes, fair Warrior didn't work with a top draw, I'll give you that. But he never drew on his own. Savage drew great with Hogan or without him. And no Savage isn't on Hogan's level but you never said that. You said Warrior was a bigger draw which is absurd. Flair and Savage is equal. Flair was on top for a longer time as the man in his territory. Savage at his peak drew equal to or greater than Flair.

Hogan has stated he drew more money with Savage than anybody else he's ever worked with. Vince will tell you the same thing. Sure Hogan is a big part, but you have to have the antagonist to go against them to make it work.

 

[R=G]

The thing about Bruno and the old timers. .it was easier. Kayfabe was so strong during those original years. Easy to buy into Andre, Bruno being champ for 7 years, Backlund being champ for 6 years, etc. I will always say it's harder to be a force in our current generation than the 80s and 70s.

Andre when he was younger was very mobile..people get up in the WM 3 sighting. That's not his whole career. He used to be agile.

 

[R=G]

What are you talking about? Savage was the second biggest draw from 1987-1990 behind Hogan. You're really just talking out your ass at this point.

And yes, fair Warrior didn't work with a top draw, I'll give you that. But he never drew on his own. Savage drew great with Hogan or without him. And no Savage isn't on Hogan's level but you never said that. You said Warrior was a bigger draw which is absurd. Flair and Savage is equal. Flair was on top for a longer time as the man in his territory. Savage at his peak drew equal to or greater than Flair.

Hogan has stated he drew more money with Savage than anybody else he's ever worked with. Vince will tell you the same thing. Sure Hogan is a big part, but you have to have the antagonist to go against them to make it work.

These kids sound crazy...comparing a 2 year guy like Warrior to Macho.

 

[R=G]

Hunter have always been a sidekick through out his career. From when he got started with the bodybuilder dude to William regal , to the kliq to the start of DX. Even when he was "The leader" of DX he kind of was sidekicked. just my thoughts mane

He always needed back up or a valet of some sort too. Stephanie, Chyna, Outlaws, Benoit, Radicals, Flair, Evolution. He's a chump.

 

[R=G]

This is a blatant lie. Biggest bust? And I'm talking before that. He was drawing in 88-89 in the midcard. His pop at SS 88 is still top five

Lol..lunatic nyggas rambling beyond their measure.

 

[R=G]

@ Rock vs Austin 3 being a classic

Legendary..they made a fukking documentary on the match.

 

[R=G]

Are you on crack bro? Lmao. seriously. I've never seen someone who has no idea what they're talking about be so vocal. No offense, but anyone who follows the business of wrestling would laugh uproariously at the notion Warrior was even in the same ballpark as Savage as a draw. Vince would laugh at you.

Warrior as champion did very poor business for the time. Very poor. His first 2 months house show attendance was solid, then it went down the drain. He was considered a bust within 5 months of his reign.

Savage reign as WWE champion was wildly successful. His house show attendance was right there with Hogans, just slightly below, depending on the market they were in. And back then attendance was the biggest factor, because that's where a lot of their money came from. Savage reign was so successful they actually considered Savage beating Hogan at WM 5 because they thought they could continue the feud for another year because it was the best business WWE ever did at that time.

Oh no

 

[Tommy Fits]

Anyone recommend some good Andre matches. I've always heard he was a better wrestler and more assume in his younger days. But like most here I only remember him from his last couple of years in WWF. And at that point it was painful just to watch him move around.

 

[puppetmaster]

Thread is low key turning into a solid conversation props y'all



-P-

 

[R=G]

memorable is a good benchmark, to me, the most memorable HHH matches are:

• Strap match vs. rock [where rock DESTROYED HIM on the mic right before the bell lol]
• Backlash 2000 vs. Rock
• X-7 vs taker
• Summerslam 02 vs. HBK
• 27 vs taker i guess

the rest if presented to me, i can judge good or bad, but outside of that list right there, I can't say none are classic. Backlash 2000 IS a classic. Summerslam 02 IS a classic. the taker matches and the strap match are questionable.

Nah..Summerslam 02 is not a classic. No one ever brings that up...ever. except for people who have a Michaels fetish at this site. That year is known for Rock/Hogan and Lesnar breaking out.