The Horn of Africa Current Events Thread

[Bawon Samedi]

fukk oromos they are expansionist who tend to claim cities that’s not there’s. You see what’s happening in harar to my Harari brothers. These gallas are in for a rude awakening

Seriously I always assumed Somalis and Oromos always got along...

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Whats this Im hearing about Oromos targeting Somalis??? Just when you think things were making progress.

Seriously I always assumed Somalis and Oromos always got along...

From what I’ve heard, it was Iley that started this shyt. It’s confusing to me tho because there are Iley loyalists and people that don’t like him. But you can never assume things are ok between groups in the Horn, as much as Oromos and Somalis move around I’m surprised there wasn’t trouble sooner.

 

[Karb]

Somalis and oromos been warring for centuries over territory.

According to what I've heard, the latest spat was caused by the previous Tigrayan regime using Illey to pacify oromo protestors.

Oromos retaliated by targeting random Somalis (many who aren't even from Iley's clan i.e. Dir Isaaq, Issa).

Dir, Isaaq and Issa also happen to be the dominant tribes in Somaliland and Djibouti which is why Oromos have been deported from Djibouti and some have been targeted inside Somali territory.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Somalis and oromos been warring for centuries over territory.

According to what I've heard, the latest spat was caused by the previous Tigrayan regime using Illey to pacify oromo protestors.

Oromos retaliated by targeting random Somalis (many who aren't even from Iley's clan i.e. Dir Isaaq, Issa).

Dir, Isaaq and Issa also happen to be the dominant tribes in Somaliland and Djibouti which is why Oromos have been deported from Djibouti and some have been targeted inside Somali territory.

Its true theyve fought for territory, but its also true they do get along, intermarry, etc and in some instances their identity is fluid with clans that identify as Somali but speak Oromo or vice versa. This is especially the case in the "border" between the Oromo and Somali region.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Brehs lemme get y’all take. What are the prospects of Ethiopia moving away from a ethnic based system to a government moreso based on political ideology?

I’ve always felt the TPLF’s implementation of this system is a big part of the problem. How can you promote that everyone can live anywhere but give these pieces of land the names of tribes? The Somali/Oromo issue I feel is just a symptom of this deeper problem.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Brehs lemme get y’all take. What are the prospects of Ethiopia moving away from a ethnic based system to a government moreso based on political ideology?

I’ve always felt the TPLF’s implementation of this system is a big part of the problem. How can you promote that everyone can live anywhere but give these pieces of land the names of tribes? The Somali/Oromo issue I feel is just a symptom of this deeper problem.

Africa in GENERAL needs to move away from this.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Africa in GENERAL needs to move away from this.

Most definitely. The irony of the world today is how the West(and now gradually the East) love to exploit Africa and keep it in general disarray but then get upset at migrant issues.

This is why all this Abiy shyt bothers me. That Obama effect is in full swing and if he goes on the rest of his term not fixing the REAL issues then the people will excuse him for it because they’ve become stans instead of critical political thinkers.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Most definitely. The irony of the world today is how the West(and now gradually the East) love to exploit Africa and keep it in general disarray but then get upset at migrant issues.

This is why all this Abiy shyt bothers me. That Obama effect is in full swing and if he goes on the rest of his term not fixing the REAL issues then the people will excuse him for it because they’ve become stans instead of critical political thinkers.

The West does the same thing with Central America which explains all these migrants. But if he is Ethiopia's Obama then sadly this may have been to pacify those protesting.

 

[Karb]

@thatknickfan

 

[Karb]

One concern is that the Djibouti government, facing mounting debt and increasing dependence on extracting rents, would be pressured to hand over control of Camp Lemonnier to China.

In a letter to National Security Advisor John Bolton in May, Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) and Sen. Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), two members of the Senate Armed Service Committee, wrote that President Guelleh seems willing to “sell his country to the highest bidder,” undermining U.S. military interests.

“Djibouti’s now identified as one of those countries that are at high risk of debt distress. So, that should be sending off all sorts of alarm bells for Djiboutians as well as for the countries that really rely on Djibouti, such as the United States,” said Joshua Meservey, a senior policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

“Policymakers are becoming more and more aware of this. The challenge is that there isn’t a strong sense of how to effectively push back or compete with China on some of these issues.”

That would be a boss move by China

Seems too far fetched tho. They'd probably just take over the ports.

 

[Karb]

Brehs lemme get y’all take. What are the prospects of Ethiopia moving away from a ethnic based system to a government moreso based on political ideology?

I’ve always felt the TPLF’s implementation of this system is a big part of the problem. How can you promote that everyone can live anywhere but give these pieces of land the names of tribes? The Somali/Oromo issue I feel is just a symptom of this deeper problem.

I'm not too clued up on Ethiopian politics bro. But yeah, this marriage between politics and ethnicity is not sustainable in the long run.

I'm not sure what the previous government was trying to achieve. You can't on one hand preach integration and free movement and then entrench ethnic differences by dividing the country along ethnic regions. Either you go with the Swiss model or you stick to a centralized rule.

What are your views on a more decentralized rule a la the Swiss model?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I'm not too clued up on Ethiopian politics bro. But yeah, this marriage between politics and ethnicity is not sustainable in the long run.

I'm not sure what the previous government was trying to achieve. You can't on one hand preach integration and free movement and then entrench ethnic differences by dividing the country along ethnic regions. Either you go with the Swiss model or you stick to a centralized rule.

What are your views on a more decentralized rule a la the Swiss model?

I’ve always been mistrustful of the government for that very reason. It very literally planted the seeds for ethnic strife and disunity. I feel that until that greater question is asked Ethiopia will always remain on thin ice.

I’m not too familiar with the Swiss model but I’ve heard it thrown around in passing. As a greater regional unifier I think a decentralized regional setup is intriguing. Within Ethiopia, at the very least I’d go back to the old provincial setup and gradually neutralize ethnic politics by opening up the political discourse through increased freedoms in media and political education on the ground.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I'm not too clued up on Ethiopian politics bro. But yeah, this marriage between politics and ethnicity is not sustainable in the long run.

I'm not sure what the previous government was trying to achieve. You can't on one hand preach integration and free movement and then entrench ethnic differences by dividing the country along ethnic regions. Either you go with the Swiss model or you stick to a centralized rule.

What are your views on a more decentralized rule a la the Swiss model?

I actually support the creation of ethnic regions within a federal state

 

[thatrapsfan]

I actually support the creation of ethnic regions within a federal state

Let me hear your rationale.

 

[thatrapsfan]

That would be a boss move by China

Seems too far fetched tho. They'd probably just take over the ports.

Yeah that is definitely alarmist. Heritage Foundation The Chinese have never been keen to engage in such a direct level of provocation.

Djibouti is definitely in a sticky situation, with its debt, the changing geopolitical situation,and its DP World dispute. Guelleh will still hold on for life though Too many people on that real-estate to risk any domestic instability.