The Grapevine: Africans, AA's and Caribbeans
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IllmaticDelta
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I agree with basically everything but the bolded. It's more like many purposely ignore this fact than actually not grasping it.
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We need to be pushing for separate designation on the census.These black immigrants identify as African American because there's huge cultural and LEGAL value in doing so. There's also huge cultural and legal ramifications that come as a result of identifying as African American.
This is where the duplicitous, parasitic nature of the black immigrant comes in.
They'll claim to be us when it benefits them, and try to turn it off when that specific pressure of being African American becomes too real for them.
From what i can tell, this happens for two main reasons:
1. Our forward thinking approach of Black First makes us blind to false allies and leeches who are still practicing Petty Tribalism
2. Loose governmental policies, identifiers, and applications that (On paper) allow, and FORCE black immigrants to blend into our ethnicity - and ultimately eat off of our resources and cultural capital while they simultaneously practice cultural exclusion AGAINST us.
Loose governmental bullshyt like this. The hispanics and asians got all kinds of ethnic options but look at the Black option
All black people in the US shouldn't be able to claim African American ethnicity.
They are purposely ignoring the fact.
Most Black immigrants are highly educated this whole notion that they are uninformed and must be handled with kid gloves is Bullshyt and is just an attempt at "gas lighting"
It's a way to move the goal post so that the conversation is moved from how Black immigrants aren't benefitting the larger African American community to civil rights and slavery.
Then people claim we're trying to force our history and heritage on them. Rinse and repeat.
I've caught in to this game Black immigrants like to play.
Frangala
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Nobody purposely ignores anything. We all know that most Americans can't even name their own vice president, mayor or even the capital of their own state. Most Americans are not well versed on current events even in their own country why do you expect immigrants who have no knowledge of this country except of what they see on TV (which is not history) but shiny objects such as entertainment, movies and reality shows which build up the perception of America as a country of wealth and economic opportunity.
Immigrants no matter the background don't know about American history and just want to make money. How many immigrants do you see in the social sciences at American universities. Most of them are indoctrinated that "hard" sciences get you good jobs and good jobs translate in making more money. The history of America isn't even in their rear view mirror for them to ignore. They are in the US to earn a better living that's it and if you were to go in places where they came from, I wouldn't blame them either. Whether the way of moving/behaving in their new country is right or wrong? Then that's up for debate but trust me the overwhelming majority of them are here for survival and economic prosperity and the sense of history as it relates to access of opportunity in this country is not in their rear view mirror for them to purposely ignore.
IllmaticDelta
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Noone moves to a country w/o knowing more than what they see on TV about it, plus, Afram Civil Rights movement was/is known world wide. It would be impossible to NOT know that the afram struggle in the USA played some role in paving the way for you n the USA
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Frangala what's your ethnicity if you don't mind me asking?
Frangala
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Noone moves to a country w/o knowing more than what they see on TV about it plus, Afram Civil Rights movement was/is known world wide. It would be impossible to NOT know that the afram struggle in the USA played some roll in paving the way for you n the USA
There are Hispanic immigrants in the US who have been in the country for 10, 20+ years without speaking English why is it far fetched to think there are whole groups of immigrants who aren't exposed to American history while there immigrants within the country who don't care or don't learn the language. My parents are from a French speaking African country, they came here with no knowledge of English and no sense of history of America or struggles of African-Americans. My dad had a relative in Maryland who told him to come and bring his wife (my mom) because life was better than their country of origin and they could earn some good money and find some work.
Yes people know about the summary of the Civil Rights movement and please if you get a chance to travel please do. Most of what American exports to the world is soft power BS and entertainment at least pre internet age.
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Frangala
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Born and raised in DC to Congolese parents.
How ignorant are Americans? An alarming number of U.S. citizens don't know basic facts about their own country | Daily Mail Online
More Than 40 Percent of Americans Cannot Name VP Candidates
http://nypost.com/2017/02/12/most-americans-cant-find-these-us-territories-on-a-map/
IllmaticDelta
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neither africa or the carib are/were ignorant to afarm struggle/civil rights
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Frangala
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neither africa or the carib are/were ignorant to afarm struggle/civil rights
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Again my parents are a direct reflection of that as I previously stated. They came here because one of my father's relative (cousin) in Maryland recommended him to come with his wife (my mom), both did not speak the English language and came because someone recommended America and that life would be better and they could earn some money to help other family members back home. That's it and I know plenty of families whose stories are parallel to stories of my parents.
I would argue that the posted info above is not disseminated to the masses. People on this board truly do not understand Africa and I don't blame you guys. These libraries or centers are only accessible to the elites of those societies. People are STRUGGLING in that part of the world, there is no time for info intake just to expand one's horizons. Most of the info that people take in are coming from school curriculums, there is no library people can just go and check out books on other parts of the world. Most of these places are failed states that are not even capable to send pupils to school if you don't have money you are screwed there is no K-12th public school system funded by the government. Please if you have a chance travel.
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"Newsweek recently gave 1,000 Americans the U.S. Citizenship test and found that their knowledge of the history and running of their own country was seriously lacking. Although the majority passed"
come on Fran...."Asked to identify Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton's running mates, 41 percent of respondents could not correctly name the GOP's vice presidential nominee and 46 percent were unsure of the name of the Democratic vice presidential nominee."
nominees are not set in stone during campaign season Fran, that's how Palin was unleashed unto the world.Black people don't have the privilege to be politically ignorant Fran u from DC " Chocolate city" u should know this.
Frangala
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"Newsweek recently gave 1,000 Americans the U.S. Citizenship test and found that their knowledge of the history and running of their own country was seriously lacking. Although the majority passed"
"Asked to identify Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton's running mates, 41 percent of respondents could not correctly name the GOP's vice presidential nominee and 46 percent were unsure of the name of the Democratic vice presidential nominee."
Bro, I didn't single out Black people it's an American phenomenon. Go down to any American city no matter how big or small ask random people about facts about American geography, branches of government, # of senators, how many stars how many stripes on the flag, what's the number of the original colonies etc... all that stuff they teach in social studies class in school.
Most are going to fail and that's just a symptom of being a world superpower, when you are raised and socialized to think "America #1" you become ignorant you don't want to learn about your own country as deep as you should let alone the countries outside of it. Immigrants also buy into "America #1" and don't care about its history or the history of certain demographics within the country and just try come over here to make it in life because it has been marketed as a country that gives you an opportunity to succeed and a true meritocracy and if you work hard enough you could make it. That's it.
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Lol not down here ma, not in NC. Black folk gotta stay on they Ps and Qs because these rebbish white folk are going to exercise their rights in the name of white Jesus
Stacker Pentecost
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They want us to hold their hand through everything. They want us to hold their hand through roasting and getting adjusted to differences in culture, hold their hand through 'learning' about us and our past in THE COUNTRY THEY LIVE IN, everything. But as soon as you say 'hey, help us out a little here' they hit you with this intense vicious vitriol about how you ain't shyt but an arrogant American. I'm so good on that.
