The GOPs Demographic Problem

[theworldismine13]

Not gonna happen for the foreseeable future. Whether it's for better or worse, black people will continue to vote for Democrats at 90% or better for at least the next 3 presidential cycles or so. The average black person who doesn't pay much attention to politics can watch Fox News for 5 minutes and conclude he'll never vote for these guys.

And lol@you citing the amount of young black people that supported Ron Paul as if they are statistically significant.

and im predicting that it will definitely not be 90% in the future and the "statistically insignificant" numbers will grow

 

[theworldismine13]

lol...who are all these black people who are supporting Ron Paul??? You're going to need more evidence than Meta Reign and Hiphoplives4eva posts to support this claim.

my evidence is message boards, blogs and radio talk shows and other black media where ron paul was discussed seriously, and i think that is because obama's election has been anti-climatic for some people and people are open to other things and im predicting that when obama is gone that dissatisfaction will grow

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

my evidence is message boards, blogs and radio talk shows and other black media where ron paul was discussed seriously, and i think that is because obama's election has been anti-climatic for some people and people are open to other things and im predicting that when obama is gone that dissatisfaction will grow

Message boards, blogs, and radio talk shows are not legit evidence of a statistically significant number of black people gravitating toward Paul because Paul supporters are enthusiastic and cult-like and will speak up and speak the loudest. Even if you look on the coli or sohh for example, you'll see a bunch of enthusiastic Ron Paul dikkriding posts, but they'll all from like 5 posters.

Everyone knows Ron Paul is an internet/alternative media icon with the most loyal followers. That's why he wins every online poll but can't win a single state in a primary. His supporters are small in number but use every opportunity to form like Voltron.

To make the case that there are a statistically significant numbers of black people who support Ron Paul, you're going to need polls or voter data.

 

[theworldismine13]

Message boards, blogs, and radio talk shows are not legit evidence of a statistically significant number of black people gravitating toward Paul because Paul supporters are enthusiastic and cult-like and will speak up and speak the loudest. Even if you look on the coli or sohh for example, you'll see a bunch of enthusiastic Ron Paul dikkriding posts, but they'll all from like 5 posters.

Everyone knows Ron Paul is an internet/alternative media icon with the most loyal followers. That's why he wins every online poll but can't win a single state in a primary. His supporters are small in number but use every opportunity to form like Voltron.

To make the case that there are a statistically significant numbers of black people who support Ron Paul, you're going to need polls or voter data.

i didnt say that there is a statistically significant number of black voters who support ron paul, in fact i agreed there are statistical insignificant what i said is that by 2016 it (black people questioning their support for democrats) will be significant

what i am saying is that obama's election was anti climatic which will cause black voters to question their support of the democratic party after he leaves, i cited the chatter around ron paul evidence as an example of that

 

[acri1]

I think Ron Paul is a little more popular among blacks than other Republicans, but that's not saying much. Furthermore, the reasons are the exact things that the rest of the Republican Party would never advocate anyway (ending the War on Drugs, anti-militarism, etc.).

So even if Ron Paul is more popular among blacks than other Republicans, I still don't see it translating into much support for the party at large. Unless, like I speculated earlier, the whole party starts moving in a Libertarian direction.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Dope sig Acri.

 

[theworldismine13]

I think Ron Paul is a little more popular among blacks than other Republicans, but that's not saying much. Furthermore, the reasons are the exact things that the rest of the Republican Party would never advocate anyway (ending the War on Drugs, anti-militarism, etc.).

So even if Ron Paul is more popular among blacks than other Republicans, I still don't see it translating into much support for the party at large. Unless, like I speculated earlier, the whole party starts moving in a Libertarian direction.

for the record im not trying to advocate any policy, but obama has been accused of intensifying the war on drugs and being militaristic, and whoever the democrats run in 2016 will most likely continue those policies, so that is another example

so again, for a lot of people obama's election has been anti climatic and it will make people question their support for democrats in 2016

i think american politics have a point of equilibrium with 2 political parties and in the end things will even out, that is my real point

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

First of all......

NBC/WSJ Poll Shows Mitt Romney Support Among Blacks at Zero Percent | TheBlaze.com

what??? what does black gay have to do with anything? im just referring to the fact that on gay issues and religion, black people are conservative

when did obama became an ardent christian?

My point is, yes, blacks are religious, but that has no bearing on their politics

No black person said "hold up Obama is for gay marriage? we crossin over bruh"

charter schools and vouchers are popular in the black community

why would it matter if kids are segregated as long as kids are learning and parents have options

Because they are being segregated by race + class- in other words, NOT in the black kids favor

Report Reveals Trend Of Segregation In Charter Schools « CBS Detroit

Immersion in diversity at a young age is a big part of succeeding and getting a broad world view, charter schools are failing at that very important task

nobody is gonna run out an do anything, what i am saying is that democratic party will not look as attractive and democrats will stop getting 90% black vote

How does the GOP look more attractive to anyone besides angry white men, but ESPECIALLY black people, after the GOP has invested so much in using racial code to slander the black president and welfare state?

just like for years blacks were loyal to republicans because that was the party that ended slavery but they slowly became democrats because the republicans did not look as attractive

How is the GOP looking more attractive than the Democrats????

i dont see why that would matter over the long run, it would matter as much as the fact the fact that the democratic party was once synonymous with the KKK and lynching of black people

That was like a hundred years ago. You know what?? A Republican presented the Civil Rights Act. I guess we can disregard their complete disregard, coded slander and outright DISGUST they've exhibited toward blacks in the interim

im not sure what your little rant has to do with anything

i think you are confused about the topic, the article is discussing a demographic time bomb, in other words its discussing the future over the next 5-15 years, its not discussing 2012, its about 2020 and beyond

im not saying anything crazy, im simply predicting that there will be shift in voting patterns that will keep the democrats and republicans even

My "rant" was relevant... white people are shrinking in # in the US, and the GOP has hate-speech and marginalized its relevance to everyone else away. The list of people the GOP is against/doesn't care about is way larger than the list of people they do, and THAT trend is accelerating. You've offered NO argument or logical framework to the contrary- just weak little ad hominem jabs

Explain how the GOP is becoming more relevant to the people they have outright ignored/claimed to be the bane of the country's existence... you must have some secret source of info from them the whole rest of the country isn't getting.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

i didnt say that there is a statistically significant number of black voters who support ron paul, in fact i agreed there are statistical insignificant what i said is that by 2016 it (black people questioning their support for democrats) will be significant

what i am saying is that obama's election was anti climatic which will cause black voters to question their support of the democratic party after he leaves, i cited the chatter around ron paul evidence as an example of that

Yes its true that Obama has failed to deliver on many fronts, even outside of his hyperbolic "Change" platform

But again I ask, as bad as the Dems are, what is the GOP bringing to the table that warrants crossing over, aside from not being associated with Obama? Do you think Romney/Ryan will be better for black people? The polls suggest black people disagree

 

[CrimsonTider]

TWISM please stop

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

TWISM is a god damn joke

Heres how blacks have been voting for the last 76 years

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/

Even with the # of black folks no longer identifying with the Democrats, Dems still had 88% of the black vote in 04, and 95% of the black vote in 08. I would bet a lot of black "independents" still vote Democrat. Republican rhetoric has only grown more racist, anti-union and anti-entitlement since the 08 election. So yes, blacks are disenchanted w/the Dems... but why the fukk would they leave them for the GOP????

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

First of all......

NBC/WSJ Poll Shows Mitt Romney Support Among Blacks at Zero Percent | TheBlaze.com




My point is, yes, blacks are religious, but that has no bearing on their politics

No black person said "hold up Obama is for gay marriage? we crossin over bruh"



Because they are being segregated by race + class- in other words, NOT in the black kids favor

Report Reveals Trend Of Segregation In Charter Schools « CBS Detroit

Immersion in diversity at a young age is a big part of succeeding and getting a broad world view, charter schools are failing at that very important task



How does the GOP look more attractive to anyone besides angry white men, but ESPECIALLY black people, after the GOP has invested so much in using racial code to slander the black president and welfare state?


How is the GOP looking more attractive than the Democrats????


That was like a hundred years ago. You know what?? A Republican presented the Civil Rights Act. I guess we can disregard their complete disregard, coded slander and outright DISGUST they've exhibited toward blacks in the interim




My "rant" was relevant... white people are shrinking in # in the US, and the GOP has hate-speech and marginalized its relevance to everyone else away. The list of people the GOP is against/doesn't care about is way larger than the list of people they do, and THAT trend is accelerating. You've offered NO argument or logical framework to the contrary- just weak little ad hominem jabs

Explain how the GOP is becoming more relevant to the people they have outright ignored/claimed to be the bane of the country's existence... you must have some secret source of info from them the whole rest of the country isn't getting.

Twism has already proven in this thread that he has not an iota of evidence for him claim. Good luck trying to get him to admit it.

 

[No1]

TWISM, you're better than this breh.

 

[theworldismine13]

First of all......

NBC/WSJ Poll Shows Mitt Romney Support Among Blacks at Zero Percent | TheBlaze.com

the point i made was that after obama there will be a shift in the black vote, i didnt say romney was going to get the black vote

My point is, yes, blacks are religious, but that has no bearing on their politics

No black person said "hold up Obama is for gay marriage? we crossing over bruh"

it has no bearing now, but im predicting it will have an impact after obama

and actually people have questioned their support for obama over gay marriage

Black pastors group: Obama's support for gay marriage 'might cost him the election' - U.S. News

im not saying that people are going to vote for romney, what i am saying is that obama being black is holding the fissures from widening and when obama is gone the fissures will grow wider

Because they are being segregated by race + class- in other words, NOT in the black kids favor

Report Reveals Trend Of Segregation In Charter Schools « CBS Detroit

Immersion in diversity at a young age is a big part of succeeding and getting a broad world view, charter schools are failing at that very important task

i think thats an argument used by liberals and teachers unions, but charters are very popular with black people

How does the GOP look more attractive to anyone besides angry white men, but ESPECIALLY black people, after the GOP has invested so much in using racial code to slander the black president and welfare state?

How is the GOP looking more attractive than the Democrats????


That was like a hundred years ago. You know what?? A Republican presented the Civil Rights Act. I guess we can disregard their complete disregard, coded slander and outright DISGUST they've exhibited toward blacks in the interim

the same way 100 years ago blacks where voting for democrats who were known to have deep ties to the KKK and lynchings of blacks

My "rant" was relevant... white people are shrinking in # in the US,

well depending on how you count it, white people are actually increasing

White U.S. population grows but drops in overall percentage - CNN

which goes to me other point about that latino is not a real race or a real ethnic group

in the real world you have things like this Susana Martinez Repealing Legislature On License Access For Undocumented Immigrants In New Mexico, Some Data Points To Fraud you can have a republican governor in the most hispanic state in the country trying to take licenses from illegals

The list of people the GOP is against/doesn't care about is way larger than the list of people they do, and THAT trend is accelerating. You've offered NO argument or logical framework to the contrary- just weak little ad hominem jabs

my argument is american history, no party, accept for roosvelt, has ever dominated american politics for any real length of time, the 2 parties will always stay even

Explain how the GOP is becoming more relevant to the people they have outright ignored/claimed to be the bane of the country's existence... you must have some secret source of info from them the whole rest of the country isn't getting.

i dont have to do that, im not an advocate for the GOP and im not inserting or advocating my personal political views

but i can tell you that every decade people write stories and books about "demographic timebombs" that dont come true

 

[theworldismine13]

TWISM is a god damn joke

Heres how blacks have been voting for the last 76 years

FactCheck.org : Blacks and the Democratic Party

Even with the # of black folks no longer identifying with the Democrats, Dems still had 88% of the black vote in 04, and 95% of the black vote in 08. I would bet a lot of black "independents" still vote Democrat. Republican rhetoric has only grown more racist, anti-union and anti-entitlement since the 08 election. So yes, blacks are disenchanted w/the Dems... but why the fukk would they leave them for the GOP????

i dont know what you think im saying, i wasnt suggesting that there would bo some kind of stampede by black people to GOP, what i said is that after obama leaves black loyalty to the democratic party will decrease and it wont by 90% like it is today, im not sure what this chart is suppose to prove

but thanks for showing that black people where voting for democrats at the same time the democratic party was synonymous with the KKK