The Ghettos Tryin To Kill Me!>>>Ice Cream Man

[T.H.E. Goat]

Kanyes wack and I don't think master ps legitimately a top 20 artist or even top 50 no hate. Young bucks way better then master p by far. I don't even think master ps top 15 from the south I say 15 because the south probably has the least superstars.

It's all good, I understand when someone is comparing an artist to different artists from other regions it gets tricky...as far as rap skills are involved

But if we're going off strictly music, then there's no way you would be in the majority of people who think Master P isn't a Top 15 Southern artist

What Young Buck song is on the level of

Bout It Bout It
Ice Cream Man
Break Em Off Something
No More Tears

That's just off one album

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

I wouldn't even know how to rank Master P. I don't think he's a very good rapper, but some of his Bay Area shyt was dope. Once he returned down south it was all downhill for me.

And we have to deduct points for biting.

But he was the head of a massively successful label and a superstar in the late 90s. He's also most directly responsible for bringing the South into the mainstream.

All of that's very important, but it wouldn't factor in at all if you're just going by music.

Who all exactly was Master P biting and on what albums?

Unless it can be proven he was biting on Ice Cream Man and Ghetto Dope then all of that's irrelevant because those two albums could be debated as classic albums

 

[Wacky D]

Kanyes wack and I don't think master ps legitimately a top 20 artist or even top 50 no hate. Young bucks way better then master p by far. I don't even think master ps top 15 from the south I say 15 because the south probably has the least superstars.

young buck doesn't have any classic albums.
he doesn't even have a classic song.

youre still not understanding what I'm saying here.

It's preference but dude uptop was saying he's literally got claim to the top
20 he wasn't just saying that he's top 20 on his fave list which is a really far stretch. Mobb legit has two undisputed classics and they both got claim to the top 5 albums ever:pee105:
You hooked on Mobb-phonics, Infamous-bonics

mobb deep is a group breh.

i'd put infamous in the top 15,

P has much better albums than "hell on earth", which is a classic in its own right, but overrated by '90s boom bap enthusiasts.

I wouldn't even know how to rank Master P. I don't think he's a very good rapper, but some of his Bay Area shyt was dope. Once he returned down south it was all downhill for me.

And we have to deduct points for biting.

But he was the head of a massively successful label and a superstar in the late 90s. He's also most directly responsible for bringing the South into the mainstream.

All of that's very important, but it wouldn't factor in at all if you're just going by music.

the music is the main reason why P was able to do what he did.

we weren't buying no limit albums just because e liked his business acumen. come on.

 

[mobbinfms]

Who all exactly was Master P biting and on what albums?

Unless it can be proven he was biting on Ice Cream Man and Ghetto Dope then all of that's irrelevant because those two albums could be debated as classic albums

I remember on True there were songs where he was doing his best Scarface rendition.
I also remember songs where he would do his best E-40 rendition.
I don't remember what album that was though.
He stole the Ice Cream Man thing from Dru Down and the Luniz.

That was 94.
Then he had that single in 97 with the same sample as a Pac song the year prior.
Even the Ghetto's Trying to Kill Me just stole the beat from that song from the Menace Soundtrack.
He took Aaliyah's beat damn near the same year.

 

[mobbinfms]

P has much better albums than "hell on earth",

 

[mobbinfms]

the music is the main reason why P was able to do what he did.

we weren't buying no limit albums just because e liked his business acumen. come on.

Quality of music usually has nothing to do with sales.
P had his core following and it ballooned and casuals jumped on. He struck while the iron was hot and was dropping albums non-stop. People were buying them solely because they were No Limit albums.

 

[OHSNAP!]

Quality of music usually has nothing to do with sales.
P had his core following and it ballooned and casuals jumped on. He struck while the iron was hot and was dropping albums non-stop. People were buying them solely because they were No Limit albums.

Parts of em yeah, but NL fans knew exactly that C's debut will be hardest gangsta shyt with topnotch beats, Fiend will come with some introspective stuff AND some aggressive tunes, Mystikal with humour, unique style and clever wordplay, Silkk with the weirdness, P with the comiclike UHHH and big guest spots, Snoop with the westcoast shyt, Mia X with the venomous verses etc. NL rappers were NOT interchangeable

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Kanyes wack and I don't think master ps legitimately a top 20 artist or even top 50 no hate. Young bucks way better then master p by far. I don't even think master ps top 15 from the south I say 15 because the south probably has the least superstars.

MC,yes. Better artist,naw.
Buck has no above avg albums.
P has more than a few

 

[OHSNAP!]

I remember on True there were songs where he was doing his best Scarface rendition.
I also remember songs where he would do his best E-40 rendition.
I don't remember what album that was though.
He stole the Ice Cream Man thing from Dru Down and the Luniz.

That was 94.
Then he had that single in 97 with the same sample as a Pac song the year prior.
Even the Ghetto's Trying to Kill Me just stole the beat from that song from the Menace Soundtrack.
He took Aaliyah's beat damn near the same year.

The biting is true, just look at MP Da Last Don which was a mix of Ghetto D 2 and All Eyez On Me rehash

However, P's Ice Cream Man song shyts all over Dru Down's holy shyt what an abysmal tune

 

[OHSNAP!]

MC,yes. Better artist,naw.
Buck has no above avg albums.
P has more than a few

Buck's first two albums are very well-regarded, he spit some real shyt on there

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Quality of music usually has nothing to do with sales.
P had his core following and it ballooned and casuals jumped on. He struck while the iron was hot and was dropping albums non-stop. People were buying them solely because they were No Limit albums.

Nonsense. Quality is a huge factor. Only time it's less of a factor is when people dont have a lot to go on.
No limit had atleast 10 good or dope projects from 94-96 prior to them really really blowing up.
The quality was there.
1994[edit]

1. Master P - The Ghettos Tryin to Kill Me!
2. Various Artists - West Coast Bad Boyz, Vol. 1: Anotha Level of the Game
   
3. Various Artists - West Coast Bad Boyz: High Fo Xmas

1995[edit]

1. Master P - 99 Ways to Die
2. TRU - True
3. Various Artists - Down South Hustlers: Bouncin' and Swingin'
4. Mia X - Good Girl Gone Bad

1996[edit]

1. Master P - Ice Cream Man
2. Silkk - The Shocker
3. Kane & Abel - 7 Sins

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Buck's first two albums are very well-regarded, he spit some real shyt on there

I'm a g-unit fanatic and i never thought those albums were dope.
They werent wack,just nothing special.
Neither were on a Ice cream man or ghetto d level,not even close.
Dope mc,indeed,i fux with buck. But his best project was a mixtape years after the unit fell off
yayo's album > both of buck's

 

[Wacky D]

Then he had that single in 97 with the same sample as a Pac song the year prior.
Even the Ghetto's Trying to Kill Me just stole the beat from that song from the Menace Soundtrack.
He took Aaliyah's beat damn near the same year.

this is normal standard stuff that tons of artists have done, and nobody ever gets criticized for it.

theres been numerous occasions where 2pac himself used the same sample as someone else around the same time. is he a biter too?

he didn't steal anything from Aaliyah or kenya gruv. the samples were cleared, and that fedz joint was what you would call an answer record to the Aaliyah song.

absolutely nothing wrong with any of that.

hell on earth is overrated.

its too weary & repetitive to compete with ice cream man, ghetto d or their own infamous album.

and theres not much entertainment or musical value to it, unless youre really big on '90s boom-bap. if youre not, then you could prolly care less about the album.

I have a similar knock against liquid swordz. another album that gets ridiculously overrated by rap purists & '90s boom bap enthusiasts.

u have to really be into that chit. im into it, so i get it. but i can also spot its limitations......as opposed to those master p albums, where master p BROUGHT the masses into the southern hip-hop circuit.

Quality of music usually has nothing to do with sales.
P had his core following and it ballooned and casuals jumped on. He struck while the iron was hot and was dropping albums non-stop. People were buying them solely because they were No Limit albums.

by that logic, why couldn't other labels do what no limit did, if its that simple?

and no limit was independent based. they weren't shoved down our throats. they weren't even on TV/radio all like that. quality product is the only way that they could've built their following breh. it just may not be YOUR cup of tea. I mean, come on man. you think people just went to the store on the regular to buy no limit albums just to do it?

and no, people weren't buying them solely because they were no limit albums. otherwise, everybody would've sold the same.

Parts of em yeah, but NL fans knew exactly that C's debut will be hardest gangsta shyt with topnotch beats, Fiend will come with some introspective stuff AND some aggressive tunes, Mystikal with humour, unique style and clever wordplay, Silkk with the weirdness, P with the comiclike UHHH and big guest spots, Snoop with the westcoast shyt, Mia X with the venomous verses etc. NL rappers were NOT interchangeable

THIS.

the no limit artists I purchased were all purchases I made for different reasons.

people stay tryna downplay the tank.

 

[Xtz23]

this is normal standard stuff that tons of artists have done, and nobody ever gets criticized for it.

theres been numerous occasions where 2pac himself used the same sample as someone else around the same time. is he a biter too?

he didn't steal anything from Aaliyah or kenya gruv. the samples were cleared, and that fedz joint was what you would call an answer record to the Aaliyah song.

absolutely nothing wrong with any of that.




hell on earth is overrated.

its too weary & repetitive to compete with ice cream man, ghetto d or their own infamous album.

and theres not much entertainment or musical value to it, unless youre really big on '90s boom-bap. if youre not, then you could prolly care less about the album.

I have a similar knock against liquid swordz. another album that gets ridiculously overrated by rap purists & '90s boom bap enthusiasts.

u have to really be into that chit. im into it, so i get it. but i can also spot its limitations......as opposed to those master p albums, where master p BROUGHT the masses into the southern hip-hop circuit.





by that logic, why couldn't other labels do what no limit did, if its that simple?

and no limit was independent based. they weren't shoved down our throats. they weren't even on TV/radio all like that. quality product is the only way that they could've built their following breh. it just may not be YOUR cup of tea. I mean, come on man. you think people just went to the store on the regular to buy no limit albums just to do it?

and no, people weren't buying them solely because they were no limit albums. otherwise, everybody would've sold the same.





THIS.

the no limit artists I purchased were all purchases I made for different reasons.

people stay tryna downplay the tank.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> master ps whole catalog put together u can't be serious man

Most ppl can't deny that album. that shyt will destroy any no limit album. It literally has claim to the top 5 no master p or no limit album has claim to even the top 50 albums besides what some bodies personal preferences are and that's not even hate.

 

[Xtz23]

MC,yes. Better artist,naw.
Buck has no above avg albums.
P has more than a few

At a point young buck was one of the best artists. Straight outta cashville is better then any master p album. Obviously buck fell off now but he still brings bangers every year, but how I feel bout master p is dudes always really been a fall off. He bites the shyt out of legends(master ps a legend for his business not as a rapper I give respect where it's due), he released multiple albums that have no replay value, he has no lyrics, the shyt has no substance it's the shyt kids listen to but once they grow up they know that shyt doesn't age well unless there from the south, ice cream man is his only "good album" and I'm really giving it the benefit of the doubt because theres only like 5 songs I would bump on that album so in reality it's mediocre but those 5 songs I'm saying are bangers. & ghetto d is A straight trash weed plate no lie, I have the physical copy to that album I didn't buy it but my cuzin usedto get some no limit albums free back in the day so he passed it to me shyt was . Young buck beats him in everything whether it be flow, Solo albums, group albums, mixtapes, lyrics, songs or anything. Again I'm not talking bout who's the bigger artist because master p had his hustle on young buck only had two albums but this shyt ain't even close if u put both in there primes ones a biter and ones not. One clearly makes better music and one gives u throwaway joints u do the math breh. I don't think I've ever even heard anyone say master ps legendary for rapping besides a couple of dudes on the coli. Buck is regarded highly some won't regard him highly because of the taped convo tho.