The Ghettos Tryin To Kill Me!>>>Ice Cream Man

[T.H.E. Goat]

What I'm saying dawg is that buck was skilled i don't listen to benchwarmers on any label. You could def say that bout yayo but not buck. The formula worked buck was great on those gunit beats and he made classic records. master ps more known for his business then his rapping skills. Master ps more of an entertainer then a rapper. I like master p he had some good songs but these is facts breh.

Buck had it before gunit that's y 50 cut the check.

I see ur point too because most either slept on buck or they forgot about him but he's definately one of the goat south guys to "me".

Top 5 personal south no order
-1 scarface (king of the south and top 10 all time)
-ugk
- 8ball mjg
-juvenile
- young buck

What makes P an entertainer and Buck a rapper


And I respect the fact that you like Young Buck over P but you really believe that he's had a Top 5 career for a Southern artist?

 

[mobbinfms]

Retard, I just stated I'd rather listen to Ghetto D/ICM/99WTD than HOE/Infamous/MM

That's totally different than comparing P and P as rappers

Do you really want to hurt Mobb?
Do you really want to make me cry?

 

[Wacky D]

1) Since when was Young Buck pushed as a Top Southern MC. Don't get me wrong, Buck was dope and his first album showed promised, but being on G-Unit hurt him.

2) No Limit was shoved down the throats of the masses. It was more subtle. How was No Limit shoved down the throats of the masses? If you liked a Master P song or copped an album, you more than likely sat through or skipped a verse from an artist you didn't like. Each album and a lot of times the singles cross promoted artists. Then you had two page spreads in magazines for lesser known artists. Ghetto Commission even had their own TV ad. If you bought a No Limit, you were subjected to artists you may or not have liked, but had to listen to or skip their parts completely.

LOL

GO HOME

having a commercial for your album means you were shoved down the public's throats no?

GO HOME ROGER!!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> master ps whole catalog put together u can't be serious man

Most ppl can't deny that album. that shyt will destroy any no limit album. It literally has claim to the top 5 no master p or no limit album has claim to even the top 50 albums besides what some bodies personal preferences are and that's not even hate.

actually "hell on earth" is more of a personal pick than ICM or ghetto d.

but youre too stuck on east coast elitism to see that.

At a point young buck was one of the best artists. Straight outta cashville is better then any master p album..

I stopped reading right there.

i seriously doubt that you ever listened to a master p album with a fair ear, if even at all.

young buck was just AIRD. he was a middle of the road southern rapper, that got boosted by being on g-unit.

That's true but 50 made some monsters u can't deny that breh.:pee107: Shyt was a perfect execution.

more like 50 cent & the iovine machine boosted some mid-range talents.

you wouldn't have paid any attention to young buck, and would prolly brush him off as a wack south rapper if he wasn't on g-unit.

same with Lloyd banks. hes dope, but theres a gang of punchline rappers that could've been plugged into banks spot and got the same results or better.

He just lost his mind at that time but he was at his best he was better then all the guys u named when it comes to skill and he had the better albums. ludas the only one on ur listim not talking bout achievements or record sales or any of that bullshyt I truly believe buck is the better artist whether 50 made him a monster or not. Jail and drugs fukked this guys whole career up when he was on fire. That taped convo shyt fukked it up too.

with the machine that young buck had behind him & the amount of commercial-friendly music he put out there, he should indeed have a long list of achievements & high record sales. LOL. you up here arguing for him like he was some independent rapper whose content was strictly fr street cats.

and don't blame jail or drugs. LOL. young buck had flamed out by the 2nd album. and don't blame the phone conversation, because g-unit was already done by then, and young buck was already forgotten before that tape was leaked.

 

[JustCKing]

LOL

GO HOME

having a commercial for your album means you were shoved down the public's throats no?

GO HOME ROGER!!!!





actually "hell on earth" is more of a personal pick than ICM or ghetto d.

but youre too stuck on east coast elitism to see that.





I stopped reading right there.

i seriously doubt that you ever listened to a master p album with a fair ear, if even at all.

young buck was just AIRD. he was a middle of the road southern rapper, that got boosted by being on g-unit.

Having a commercial ALONE doesn't equate to bring shoved down the public's throat, but if you've got 10+ no name artists on albums that also have spreads in magazines, commercial, and are getting air time, that's force fed.

 

[Wacky D]

Having a commercial ALONE doesn't equate to bring shoved down the public's throat, but if you've got 10+ no name artists on albums that also have spreads in magazines, commercial, and are getting air time, that's force fed.

what the hell air time did ghetto commission get, besides a low-budget commercial that aired for a couple weeks? i cant even recall a video.

the fact that their biggest look was a couple spreads in a magazine means absolutely nothing.

most no limit artists would've gotten better promotion on KOCH, but according to you, they were shoved down the public's throats.

GO HOME ROGER!!!

If anything, its underrated.


It has a cohesive dark sound.


Dope beats and rhymes aren't entertaining?
Musical value?
You sounding like a Kendrick stan now
Musically speaking
.

the album is repetitive.

repetitive beats, rhymes, barely any standout cuts and arguably no real home-run tracks.

it flows like one long ass song for the most part.

It's not normal or standard. Not that it doesn't happen.
This is more than using the same sample breh.
We calling it an answer record now?



That's exactly how I feel about Master P and No Limit
That it was very popular means nothing to me.

Of course not. Its not simple at all. Nobody will ever do what P did again.
But it wasn't a case of him making the best music...he made music that people wanted to get behind and he marketed and branded the hell out of it and then gave us new product every single week.

Make Em Say Uhh was all over the radio/video.
So was Silkk's shyt the following year.
I completely agree about everything that preceded Ghetto D though. And I also agree that only a few artists from No Limit really got a push.
Ok. But if they were selling based purely on quality - then the highest selling No Limit albums would also be the best ones. But that's not the case.
At least I don't think.
Prove me wrong.

answer record, spinoff record, spoof record.....they all fall under the same umbrella.

keyword: that's how YOU feel about master p/no limit. the bottom line is that its not about just how you or me feel. the general public has spoken.

lol. so are you saying that mobb deep wasn't nearly as successful, because they didn't make music that people want to hear? that's what it sounds like to me. you cant have your cake & eat it too......so will you admit that mobb deep's quality isn't that great?

songs like "make em say uhh" and "it aint my fault" were huge hits that were undeniable.
meanwhile, the more mid-level hits got about the same amount of play as low-level hits from other labels.
i see we agree on most of the rest of the label.

actually, i'd say that ghetto d was the best no limit album, and that was also the highest seller.
as for some of the other classics, you have to again take into consideration that they were independent based. there wasn't a hype machine rollout for no limit albums. they had to build their buzz up thru the music. the '98 run was a direct result of what they were doing in '96-97. albums like ice cream man, the shocker, 7 sins, etc didn't have the exposure to sell what the follow-up albums sold. especially the shocker & 7 sins, which a lot of their own fans by '98 didn't even know about.

@Wacky D
Just to further clarify. I'm not saying that Master P and No Limit didn't make good music at all. What I'm saying is that they had a quantity over quality approach.

but you acknowledged the run they were having before they began the quantity approach.

you can break their run down into different segments.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Hell on earth is overrated trash. DOGG Father and yeaaah baby were better follow ups to a prior classic album

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

Hell on earth is overrated trash. DOGG Father and yeaaah baby were better follow ups to a prior classic album

Lmao at dog father being better than hell on earth.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Lmao at dog father being better than hell on earth.

it is

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

it is

Dog father is cool but it ain't fukking with hell on earth. That's just my personal opinion though. I wasn't even old enough to remember when these albums came out but it seems like the general consensus was that dog father sucked.

 

[Wacky D]

doggfather is a 3.5 AT BEST. worst droppage from a classic album ever.

and I'm surprised @bigbadbossup2012 thinks capital punishment is a classic.
I don't even think that album is a classic.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

doggfather is a 3.5 AT BEST. worst droppage from a classic album ever.

and I'm surprised @bigbadbossup2012 thinks capital punishment is a classic.
I don't even think that album is a classic.

Yes i believe capital punishment is a classic.
Yes doggfather is better than Hell on earth. That shyt is trash

 

[JustCKing]

what the hell air time did ghetto commission get, besides a low-budget commercial that aired for a couple weeks? i cant even recall a video.

the fact that their biggest look was a couple spreads in a magazine means absolutely nothing.

most no limit artists would've gotten better promotion on KOCH, but according to you, they were shoved down the public's throats.

GO HOME ROGER!!!






the album is repetitive.

repetitive beats, rhymes, barely any standout cuts and arguably no real home-run tracks.

it flows like one long ass song for the most part.





answer record, spinoff record, spoof record.....they all fall under the same umbrella.

keyword: that's how YOU feel about master p/no limit. the bottom line is that its not about just how you or me feel. the general public has spoken.

lol. so are you saying that mobb deep wasn't nearly as successful, because they didn't make music that people want to hear? that's what it sounds like to me. you cant have your cake & eat it too......so will you admit that mobb deep's quality isn't that great?

songs like "make em say uhh" and "it aint my fault" were huge hits that were undeniable.
meanwhile, the more mid-level hits got about the same amount of play as low-level hits from other labels.
i see we agree on most of the rest of the label.

actually, i'd say that ghetto d was the best no limit album, and that was also the highest seller.
as for some of the other classics, you have to again take into consideration that they were independent based. there wasn't a hype machine rollout for no limit albums. they had to build their buzz up thru the music. the '98 run was a direct result of what they were doing in '96-97. albums like ice cream man, the shocker, 7 sins, etc didn't have the exposure to sell what the follow-up albums sold. especially the shocker & 7 sins, which a lot of their own fans by '98 didn't even know about.





but you acknowledged the run they were having before they began the quantity approach.

you can break their run down into different segments.

You ain't a No Limit fan if you don't recall Ghetto Commission's "I'm A Soulja" having a video.

Most No Limit artists wouldn't have gotten promo at all, yet were tacked onto sometimes multiple songs from marquee artists.

 

[mobbinfms]

most no limit artists would've gotten better promotion on KOCH,

Maybe conventional promotion. But P's marketing was genius.

 

[mobbinfms]

flows like one long ass song for the most part.

I agree that it lacks a Shook Ones Pt 2 or Quiet Storm.

 

[Wacky D]

You ain't a No Limit fan if you don't recall Ghetto Commission's "I'm A Soulja" having a video.

Most No Limit artists wouldn't have gotten promo at all, yet were tacked onto sometimes multiple songs from marquee artists.

the fact that I'm a fan, and never saw the video, just proves my point.

does the bolded really sound like a label that was shoved down our throats?

Maybe conventional promotion. But P's marketing was genius.

yea but my man tried to say that they were shoved down our throats.