The Gender Wage Gap Lie

[tru_m.a.c]

it's an obvious problem when you look at the gender changes in industry and how that correlates to compensation and prestige (teaching), but the issue is very confusing when people try to make blanket statements about the economy as a whole since women often exercise their right to choose less lucrative paths, and simply cant be relied on to do extremely dangerous, physical, yet high paying jobs (coal mining, alaskan crab fishing etc.)

i think the focus should be on making workplaces more parent-friendly, so parents can spend more time dealing with family stuff without sacrificing performance at work.since women overwhelmingly take over household roles while still working, this would help them the most, and maybe reduce the forces that may be cutting into their pay.

another european socialist idea

we gonna get siesta too???

 

[Shogun]

fukk all these hoes

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

another european socialist idea

we gonna get siesta too???

You're saying it like it's a bad thing. You want to compare functioning economies in Europe to states in US?

 

[Blackking]

I don't believe in the gap.. but I do believe in the sexism. especially the higher up you get... I hear nothing but sexist shyt all day long dealing with all different types of men in all different types of positions. And women usually don't even know it.

At the same time, only in a fukked up gross culture will the women ever wear the pants, or earn more money. Or a group in a fcuk position - like black Americans.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

You're saying it like it's a bad thing. You want to compare functioning economies in Europe to states in US?

do you know how work....its only 2013 b

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

do you know how work....its only 2013 b

You used to argue well. Didn't know you stooped down to 88m3's level.

 

[Elle Driver]

White women make way more than black males in the same positions with equal qualifications so i have no sympathy for them.

Pretty much. I'm not here for this "women make 77 cents to the man's dollar" when it really should say "white women make 77 cents to the white man's dollar". Where's the intersectionality? You gotta get specific, blacks, hispanics, Asians, etc. Because when you say women you mostly mean white women. And then, we can go on from that to males vs females.

 

[NZA]

another european socialist idea

we gonna get siesta too???

i kinda have that. my schedule is loose but im still productive

 

[The Real]

Pretty much. I'm not here for this "women make 77 cents to the man's dollar" when it really should say "white women make 77 cents to the white man's dollar". Where's the intersectionality? You gotta get specific, blacks, hispanics, Asians, etc. Because when you say women you mostly mean white women. And then, we can go on from that to males vs females.

Great point- though Black men also make more than Black women, another point which intersectionality shouldn't ignore and which people were ignoring like crazy in that thread about Black feminists going at white ones.

 

[Elle Driver]

Great point- though Black men also make more than Black women, another point which intersectionality shouldn't ignore and which people were ignoring like crazy in that thread about Black feminists going at white ones.

Do they? Are there any statistics that point to this? If they do I'm pretty sure it's by an insignificant amount, I remember reading that black men make 50 cents to the white woman's 77 cents, and hispanic men make even less than that.

 

[NZA]

the unemployment rates of black men alone should disqualify us from any talk about pay advantages. if a brother is getting paid right, he is either one of the best in the world at his position, owning the business, or about to get federal charges soon

 

[The Real]

Do they? Are there any statistics that point to this? If they do it I'm pretty sure it's by an insignificant amount, I remember reading that black men make 50 cents to the white woman's 77 cents, and hispanic men make even less than that.

The gap is much smaller than with white folks (another important fact, though not because of good equality, since both Black men and women are so disadvantaged) but it's still approaching 10 cents to the dollar, at its highest, when adjusted. Here's one recent piece that draws on the census: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/wage-gap-african-american-women-infographic_n_2568838.html

 

[Elle Driver]

The gap is much smaller than with white folks (another important fact,) but it's still almost 10 cents to the dollar when adjusted. Here's one recent piece that draws on the census: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/wage-gap-african-american-women-infographic_n_2568838.html

Yeah that's basically what I was talking about, although Latina/Hispanic is a bit of a misnomer and can account for different races as well.

 

[PartyHeart]

For this to hold up, the women in these professions work behaviors would have to mirror that of men. Male and female workers are not the same. How many of these women are single? how many of these women are getting pregnant? how many of these women are working fewer hours? How many of these women prioritize comfort to risk and better pay? Market forces adjust according to this.It should be no surprise then that the salary would dip quite a bit if all your workers make different decisions.

The studies accounted for all these factors. Still a gap. And the fact that you think its normal that a woman be penalized for getting pregnant shows you might be a little out of touch in this debate. That's actually a discriminatory practice (or at least its supposed to be).

98% of workplace fatalities are men, that tells me a lot about how differently men and women "work".

This isn't a very good argument. If pay was just based on how hazardous it is most jobs in the American economy would pay pennies. We're quickly becoming a service economy. Not to mention, is particularly non-hazardous jobs, women still get noticeably less on average than men.

This could be true but at the same time, you got big girl panties now. No one is going to hold your hand and shyt is going to magically fall into your lap , this ain't the dating world where men cater to your needs.You have to go out here and get yours, be assertive if you can't be aggressive. Closed mouths don't get fed. Women got to take the risk if they want to be the boss. Not asking for shyt that's due to you is just dumb.

Cool story bro. Can this same attitude be applied to racial dynamics in the work place?

 

[The Real]

Yeah that's basically what I was talking about, although Latina/Hispanic is a bit of a misnomer and can account for different races as well.

No doubt, if you break down Latina into white, Black, etc, you find the usual disparities.